MommyCast bails PodShow

[WyethDigital]

So the MommyCast has called it quits with PodShow. (http://blog.podcheck.com/?p=113) The ladies have been doing their thing for quite a while now, and it was considered a major coup at the time for PodShow to sign them. The relationship lasted a year, and is now done.

Thoughts?

Rants?


Eric

[Shawn]

Doesn't really affect me one way or another. Considering that PodShow is really the first company of its kind, this probably won't be the last time something like this happens.

Also, I haven't read any confirmed accounts as to why MommyCast bailed from PodShow. So, in the end, who knows?

[WyethDigital]

Yep, that was my feeling as well. Seems to have caused a fracas elsewhere, though, so I figured I'd post it here and see what folks had to say.

What can I say? It beats the spam that's been so rampant lately!


Eric

[mdattilo]

The linked article talked of the black Hummer limo shuttling the "chosen few" (their words; not mine) between the expo and the anti-event. I saw the Hummer that Friday, but had no idea what it was there for. It was not until Saturday that I found out the truth. I'm still lost as to why Podshow could not have been a part of the Expo.

Podshow has brought full-time employment to podcasters who would otherwise be working day jobs like the rest of us. That, IMHO, is a good thing. But like all relationships that have only infatuation, the love affair is bound to fade.

I'll pull a chapter from my own life. I used to work on PCs as a hobby, and I loved it. I would make a little money now and then, but for the most part I did it just to help people. Over time, my skill set grew to where I could get a job helping to manage a medium-sized network. Now, six years later, working on PCs isn't so much fun anymore because I spend my days solving IT-related problems of all sorts.

So it is with podcasting for most people---making a move to something like Podshow would be the worst thing most of us could do. That's not to say that Podshow is evil; they are what they are, a company trying to turn a profit via ad revenue. But there is always, always a cost in such a relationship. Sometimes the cost is slight and sometimes the cost is massive.

[thescenezine]

As a Podshow podcaster, the Mommycasters leaving Podshow really has no bearing or consequences for me personally. I enjoyed meeting both hosts and one of the husbands, but "The Show" does go on.

People leaving the network is nothing new. Mark Hunter from Tartan Podcast did it, so did Tony Steidler-Dennison with The Roadouse (both excellent shows). Everyone has their own reasons for joining or leaving a network, just as some people leave their jobs for the security of another job. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

I think there's a strong misconception out there about this whole "Quit Your Day Job" theory. Chances are, 90% of the people in Podshow will NEVER get to quit their day gigs and podcast full time. But I am certain that those same 90% WILL be able to make a decent amount of side money. Enough for a down payment on a house, or the vacation you always dreamed about, or in my case be able to afford to move half way across the country with my wife to get back together with our families. It all depends on how hard you work for it and how bad you want it.

Marcus

[WyethDigital]

As a Podshow podcaster, the Mommycasters leaving Podshow really has no bearing or consequences for me personally. I enjoyed meeting both hosts and one of the husbands, but "The Show" does go on.
And that makes perfect sense. I have no doubt that podcasters in the network won't really feel this. If anyone does feel it, it will be the folks at the home office.

I've been doing some more reading on this since I posted the topic this morning, and I did find a discussion where a Podshow employee said something rather interesting. In a thread (http://britcaster.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12336#12336) from from the Britcaster site, Neil said this about Podshow's mission:
One of the first things I explain to producers I am talking to (podcasters or otherwise) is the main key factor in understanding Podshow is that podshow is a media company, it's not a podcasting company; it's not about podcasting. Think of "podcasting" as the mechanism; the catalyst; the delivery mechanism; the current momentum (it may change before you know it). That surprises some, and gets a nod of "ah, now that actually makes sense" from most of the others. A few still don't get it, though they usually do after I've jabbed glowing pokers in their eyes... oops, sorry, I mean... erm...

I think I've also heard it from other Podshow folks, so I doubt that it's entirely just his take on Podshow, and if it is the official philosophy of the company, then that is something that could eventually affect podcasters in the Podshow network, or their relationship with it.

There are a couple of reasons they could be saying this: Chief among them is to garner better rates from advertisers. It's pretty common knowledge that despite predictions of "any day now," podcasting still has yet to be taken seriously by ad buyers, so distancing your corporate mission statement from that is a smart move on their part.

Another possibility, one that should keep Podshow podcaster's eyes focused on the company like a laser beam, is that Podshow has other plans for themselves -- ones that may or may not include their current bread and butter (podcasters). Why is that such a big deal? I get the sense that Podshow, despite it's attempts to paint itself as the rebel and the naughty child of an open source movement, wants to join the old boy's club of mass-market media. Rather than a rebellious move, that would be one of attrition and acceptance; that mass media was right, and podcasters were wrong. They may have given up on the idea of targeted, niche marketing as unprofitable. If they have, then that is bad for the podcasters in the PDN, because it means that PodShow sales reps will all be working on the "big deals" and ignoring the little ones that have the potential to make the most money for their lower rated, more niche oriented programs.

But those are some thoughts I had while reading the various stories about the Mommycast and PodShow.

Eric

[Barefoot Radio.com]

Was it the mommycast that got some 100,000 dollar sponsorship at one time??

Or was that a different podcast?

[WyethDigital]

Was it the mommycast that got some 100,000 dollar sponsorship at one time??

Or was that a different podcast?
Depending on which reports you choose to believe, it was between $100,000 and $200,000.

That kind of earning potential is pretty tough to lose.

Eric

[Barefoot Radio.com]

So they're continuing on with Mommycast? Do they still own their property?

I'm just curious.

[WyethDigital]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're continuing with the Mommycast. Apparently they've been out of Podshow for a month now. Podshow only licenses for the term of the contract. When that's done, you're free to do whatever you want on your own.

Certainly a positive aspect for Podshow's standing in the community, and one that will take the wind out of the sales of a good number of their detractors is the claim that Podshow automatically "owns" you for three years (with the renewal options). Apparently, Podshow didn't own the Mommycast at all, much less for three years. I don't hear any of their most vocal opponents stepping up and saying "Yeah, I guess we might have been wrong about that part."

Eric

[Bitz of Brin]

I was wondering what the listenership was like for Podshow. I mean, it covers so many different types of genres, right? Do advertisers like it?

Also, what would be some of the reasons somebody might not want to be with Podshow?

[pwfenton]

I'm still lost as to why Podshow could not have been a part of the Expo.

The Expo organizers would not let the hotel rent space to Podshow. That's why they had to set up in a different location, and why they provided the silly limo. It was not their choice.

[pwfenton]

People leaving the network is nothing new. Mark Hunter from Tartan Podcast did it, so did Tony Steidler-Dennison with The Roadouse (both excellent shows).

Mark left Podshow for sure, but I'm fairly certain that Tony was NEVER a part of the network. We played his shows on Sirius, but he was never a part of Podshow.

Which brings to mind another thing that Podshow critics will never point out... that we have often featured (and still do) shows on our Sirius Satellite show that are not affiliated with us.

[pwfenton]

Certainly a positive aspect for Podshow's standing in the community, and one that will take the wind out of the sales of a good number of their detractors is the claim that Podshow automatically "owns" you for three years (with the renewal options). Apparently, Podshow didn't own the Mommycast at all, much less for three years. I don't hear any of their most vocal opponents stepping up and saying "Yeah, I guess we might have been wrong about that part."

Eric

That was CLEARLY someone's misinterpretation (or deliberate misrepresentation). Podshow has never tried to own (or control) anyone's content, including in cases where they have provided substantial support.

[WyethDigital]

I'm still lost as to why Podshow could not have been a part of the Expo.

The Expo organizers would not let the hotel rent space to Podshow. That's why they had to set up in a different location, and why they provided the silly limo. It was not their choice.
PW, I've been part of planning for events hosted at hotels. You never, never allow similar but separate events at the same facility unless there's some serious cooperation and/or money changing hands. I doubt Podshow's absence was all one-sided. My guess is that Podshow didn't want just a booth and PME wanted more money than what Podshow was willing to pay out for suites and other venues. I wouldn't just lay this at the feet of the PME. When negotiations break down, it can usually be blamed on both sides.

Eric

PS -- I really don't care about the limo. I thought it was a decent gesture on some levels, and can see how it was taken as a "**** you" on others.

[WyethDigital]

That was CLEARLY someone's misinterpretation (or deliberate misrepresentation). Podshow has never tried to own (or control) anyone's content, including in cases where they have provided substantial support.
Yeah, I never bought into that line myself. That wouldn't just be dumb for a company to do, it would be suicidal!

Eric

[WyethDigital]

I was wondering what the listenership was like for Podshow. I mean, it covers so many different types of genres, right? Do advertisers like it?

Also, what would be some of the reasons somebody might not want to be with Podshow?
Hi Brin, there are pros and cons to any relationship, so the reasons for joining or not joining would be hard to pin down.

Personally, they haven't really given me a reason not to join them, but they haven't given me a good reason why I should, either -- and since there's legal contracts to agree to and sign that could lock you in for awhile (depending on your level of involvement), I think I would prefer to see the "why to join" argument more than the why not to join. In other words, before you join, you should know specifically what they can and will do for you. Of course, that goes for any company, not just Podshow!

Eric

[Bitz of Brin]

I was wondering what the listenership was like for Podshow. I mean, it covers so many different types of genres, right? Do advertisers like it?

Also, what would be some of the reasons somebody might not want to be with Podshow?
Hi Brin, there are pros and cons to any relationship, so the reasons for joining or not joining would be hard to pin down.

Personally, they haven't really given me a reason not to join them, but they haven't given me a good reason why I should, either -- and since there's legal contracts to agree to and sign that could lock you in for awhile (depending on your level of involvement), I think I would prefer to see the "why to join" argument more than the why not to join. In other words, before you join, you should know specifically what they can and will do for you. Of course, that goes for any company, not just Podshow!

Eric

I always thought I was a poor fit for them. I run this squeaky clean, family safe, work safe podcast. Can anybody join them? Don't they have to invite you? Anyway, just asking so I know more. ;) Thx.

Bri'anna Joy

[WyethDigital]

I always thought I was a poor fit for them. I run this squeaky clean, family safe, work safe podcast. Can anybody join them? Don't they have to invite you? Anyway, just asking so I know more. ;) Thx.

Bri'anna Joy
They offer at least two levels of involvement: Free hosting in exchange for them placing ads on your show, and the whole "Quit your day job" program. Anyone can join for the free hosting, but you have to be invited for the other. Honestly, PW would be the better one to tell you about those programs.

Eric

[pwfenton]

My guess is that Podshow didn't want just a booth and PME wanted more money than what Podshow was willing to pay out for suites and other venues. I wouldn't just lay this at the feet of the PME.

Again with the guesses. Why guess and publish? Why not ASK the actual people and publish their answer? Afraid the answer might not be as interesting as the speculation? Why should anyone be interested in a GUESS?

I'm so done with spinning and fiction. I told you what I knew. I didn't put it at the feet of anyone. I didn't blame anyone. I just gave you some real information. Spin it any way you like. Don't let ordinary facts get in your way.

[pwfenton]

Personally, they haven't really given me a reason not to join them, but they haven't given me a good reason why I should, either -- and since there's legal contracts to agree to and sign that could lock you in for awhile (depending on your level of involvement), I think I would prefer to see the "why to join" argument more than the why not to join. In other words, before you join, you should know specifically what they can and will do for you. Of course, that goes for any company, not just Podshow!

Eric

Just curious... how about considering what YOU are worth to the company you are negotiating with? Isn't that a factor? Why is it only what THEY can do for you? Don't most deals require both sides to get something that they want/need? If I approach someone, wanting a piece of what they have, I'm going to come to the table with something to offer in return. Why do we seem to loose sight of that?

If you are running a company that intends to make money by providing valuable content to consumers, and valuable ears to advertisers, why wouldn't want to know what people had to offer your company before you signed them?

If you are serious about earning a living at podcasting, then I am reminded of the JFK quote (ask not...). If you don't care about earning a living and are happy to spend your own money to publish your work (which is perfectly valid)... then why even worry about or talk about Podshow?

[Bitz of Brin]

Just curious... how about considering what YOU are worth to the company you are negotiating with? Isn't that a factor? Why is it only what THEY can do for you? Don't most deals require both sides to get something that they want/need? If I approach someone, wanting a piece of what they have, I'm going to come to the table with something to offer in return. Why do we seem to loose sight of that?

Hey, PW! Can you respond to some of my questions, too? Thanks.

[WyethDigital]

Again with the guesses. Why guess and publish? Why not ASK the actual people and publish their answer? Afraid the answer might not be as interesting as the speculation? Why should anyone be interested in a GUESS?

I'm so done with spinning and fiction. I told you what I knew. I didn't put it at the feet of anyone. I didn't blame anyone. I just gave you some real information. Spin it any way you like. Don't let ordinary facts get in your way.
PW, I think you need to settle yourself down. Half the stuff you say about Podshow comes with the disclaimer that you weren't directly involved, all you do is produce the shows on Satellite. So who's to know you're doing anything more than guessing yourself? Were you involved with the negotiations or discussions? Did you talk to the PME people (as well as the Podshow people)?

I never laid the blame at Podshow's feet. Read the post again. I said it usually takes two sides to ruin a deal (or to reach one), so I wasn't content to just accept your side of the story. Sorry if that gets your panties in a bunch, but it was not an unreasonable response from a disinterested third party.

But apparently it was too much for a PodShow apologist.


Eric

[Bitz of Brin]

What was it Vassini said about landwars and Asia? I think maybe I'm not going to find what I'm looking for here. :p

[WyethDigital]

Personally, they haven't really given me a reason not to join them, but they haven't given me a good reason why I should, either -- and since there's legal contracts to agree to and sign that could lock you in for awhile (depending on your level of involvement), I think I would prefer to see the "why to join" argument more than the why not to join. In other words, before you join, you should know specifically what they can and will do for you. Of course, that goes for any company, not just Podshow!

Eric

Just curious... how about considering what YOU are worth to the company you are negotiating with? Isn't that a factor? Why is it only what THEY can do for you? Don't most deals require both sides to get something that they want/need? If I approach someone, wanting a piece of what they have, I'm going to come to the table with something to offer in return. Why do we seem to loose sight of that?
Simple answer to the question: Podshow (or any other company) is already looking out for their own interests. They're better qualified to judge what those are than I am, just as I'm better qualified to judge what my interests are. Neither Podshow or my own enterprise is meant to be a charity for the other. To assume otherwise (for either party) would be working against a profitable relationship.

Eric

[WyethDigital]

What was it Vassini said about landwars and Asia? I think maybe I'm not going to find what I'm looking for here. :p
Not unbiased ones. Except to make sure you are true to yourself and your work in any relationship you enter into. I didn't think that was anti-Podshow advice, but someone over there seems to have a problem with it. Luckily, PW's not the one who handles the contracts.

Eric

[justSue]

Brin - to answer your question, PodShow offers free hosting, delievery, and features to anyone, provided they abide by the Terms of Service which restricts against hateful, racist, or obviously pornographic material. There are tons of shows that are using the service that are "family/work" friendly, and there is a feature that allows podcast owners/producers to approve all comments posted to their show profiles or personal blogs before being shown publicly.

Hope this helps to answer you question :)

Sue

[chris2x]

I always thought I was a poor fit for them. I run this squeaky clean, family safe, work safe podcast.


I had the same pause but there are more and more clean, family safe, work safe podcasts on Podshow, including mine.

[EclecticMix]

Interesting that I happened to pick up on this thread as I go live with the 70th episode of One Minute How-To, which is my first after leaving the network to which it was affiliated for the previous 69.

Speculation as to why one leaves a network is difficult because the range of possibilities is just too wide. For me, the decision had nothing to do with money, although I expect that on the other side that was the beginning of the problem.

Bottom line is that one simply needs to understand the implications of joining, if you're going to sign something either be absolutely sure you understand everything in the contract or ask a lawyer for help, and realize that it may well be possible that the network's best interests and your own may not move together.

Cheers -

george

[pwfenton]

PW, I think you need to settle yourself down. Half the stuff you say about Podshow comes with the disclaimer that you weren't directly involved, all you do is produce the shows on Satellite. So who's to know you're doing anything more than guessing yourself?
Which doesn't do anything to refute the non-validity of guessing. The statements I made were not based on my relationship with podshow. I learned all of that from public posts. It's not "inside" information. It's just information from the people involved. Information findable by anyone interested.

Were you involved with the negotiations or discussions? Did you talk to the PME people (as well as the Podshow people)?
No I just read the things THEY actually wrote (as opposed to guessing)
I never laid the blame at Podshow's feet. Read the post again. I said it usually takes two sides to ruin a deal (or to reach one), so I wasn't content to just accept your side of the story.
And since you had already guessed your side of the story. That would make two sides.
Sorry if that gets your panties in a bunch, but it was not an unreasonable response from a disinterested third party.
I think you meant disingenuous, not disinterested. And what's the point of using a phrase like "painties in a bunch"? Just trying to provoke?But apparently it was too much for a PodShow apologist.No... too much for a person interested in facts over guesses.

My apologies to "Bits of Brin". This is obviously not a good place to answer your questions. Please send me an e-mail. I'd be happy to tell you anything I know.

[WyethDigital]

Which doesn't do anything to refute the non-validity of guessing. The statements I made were not based on my relationship with podshow. I learned all of that from public posts. It's not "inside" information. It's just information from the people involved. Information findable by anyone interested.
Not that your PME tangent is even on topic, but I did look around for information, PW. Care to share your sources about the evil PME blocking Podshow from their convention? I'd love to read them. You see, your guess might be about as valid as anything I've supposed, with one exception -- at least I'm intellectually honest enough to call them guesses and supposition. That's something your self-righteous nose-sniffling can't claim.

Some of the random info I did find, (and again, it wasn't on the subject of my original post so I didn't include it) actually serves to make PodShow look worse! An African-American "pimp" to drive the limo, PW? Could that get any more offensive?

But people should consider that a "nice gesture" on Podshow's part, right? So I'm wondering, did you see the suite at Podshow's UnExpo? Because I'm wondering if they took it a step further and set out the lawn-jockeys, too?


Were you involved with the negotiations or discussions? Did you talk to the PME people (as well as the Podshow people)?
No I just read the things THEY actually wrote (as opposed to guessing)
And again with the mysterious and vaporous "THEY." So who are "they" again? Oh yeah. You haven't said. You just claim to have read some stuff somewhere that you've failed to credit.


I never laid the blame at Podshow's feet. Read the post again. I said it usually takes two sides to ruin a deal (or to reach one), so I wasn't content to just accept your side of the story.
And since you had already guessed your side of the story. That would make two sides.
You want to tell me which side of the story you think I "guessed?" Because I didn't take sides. You're going to honestly sit there and tell me that if Podshow and the PME wanted to find a way to work together they couldn't? Because that's what I said. If you think that's somehow biased against Podshow, you need to up the dose of whatever meds you're on!

Sorry if that gets your panties in a bunch, but it was not an unreasonable response from a disinterested third party.
I think you meant disingenuous, not disinterested. And what's the point of using a phrase like "painties in a bunch"? Just trying to provoke?
No, I meant disinterested. I don't really care what the reasons or the hang-ups were in the PME and Podshow negotiations. Again, that's not really even what this thread is about, is it?

Oh, and "panties in a bunch" is an old saying around here. It means settle yourself down. It isn't worth it. Didn't know it would strike a nerve. Something you need to tell us about panties and you? (for future reference, that was meant to provoke. Now you know the difference. Write it down, why doncha?)

But apparently it was too much for a PodShow apologist.No... too much for a person interested in facts over guesses.
Funny how you claim your info, attained in much the same way as mine, is called fact when it comes from you, yet is merely guesswork when it comes from someone who is debating you. What next? Gonna invoke Hitler? :roll:

[etomorrow]

i heard podshow hates black people.

[paulyb]

I heard they hated tattooed-up beardy-weirdies from Fishtown. Pass it on.

[Bucket]

FYI, the pimp wasn't driving the limo... just riding in the back and being silly. Was a middle-aged caucasian man driving, in case you needed the facts.

Also, the whole PodPimp and the Hummer limo were to be light-hearted, not offensive. Sometimes there is no deeper meaning, and no need to go looking for one.

And no, I'm not with Podshow. Just thought I'd help with the facts.

[etomorrow]

FYI, the pimp wasn't driving the limo... just riding in the back and being silly. Was a middle-aged caucasian man driving, in case you needed the facts.

Also, the whole PodPimp and the Hummer limo were to be light-hearted, not offensive. Sometimes there is no deeper meaning, and no need to go looking for one.

And no, I'm not with Podshow. Just thought I'd help with the facts.

so now they hate white people too. ****

[Bucket]

****, I thought it was the middle-aged folks they hated. I need to get on the bandwagon here, clearly. ;)

[pwfenton]

I hate MYSELF, for trying to set the record straight. I shoulda know better.

[Slone]

:wink: ha! I can't tell you how many posts I've scrapped with the same intentions. Drama is at home here and logic makes too much sense.

Isn't there a saying...
"Good intentions pave the way to hell." ha!

[scrapcast]

Not for nothing, but didn't the Mommycast/Podshow contract just run out... as in 'end of agreement'? No big drama there.

Still looking for anyone's take on why it's a good thing to join Podshow. I know it's hard to pinpoint the money aspect, but honestly, that's not all there is. I totally agree that Podshow is a media company, not just podcasting. I *know* what my show is worth, and what I have to offer. But I'm just not understanding what the big whoop is.

[WyethDigital]

And that's pretty much all I was saying about my impressions of PodShow. But apparently when you do that, along with implying that you know what your worth is, it's an attack on Podshow. Or PW. Or whatever.

And Bucket, whether driving or sitting in the back acting silly, it's still offensive. If guys like PW don't want people questioning, or commenting on Podshow, then maybe Podshow would do well not to give them so much ammo.

Eric

[WyethDigital]

I hate MYSELF, for trying to set the record straight. I shoulda know better.
PW -- If you want to "set the record straight," please do! I'd love to see your sources. You say they're out there, but I can't find anything that says the PME specifically did not want PodShow at the Expo. Where I am I not looking?

So far you've only muddied the original topic, which was very simple (and I quote)

So the MommyCast has called it quits with PodShow. (http://blog.podcheck.com/?p=113) The ladies have been doing their thing for quite a while now, and it was considered a major coup at the time for PodShow to sign them. The relationship lasted a year, and is now done.

Thoughts?

Rants?


Eric

Yep... Good at setting the record straight, aren't you?

Eric

[Bitz of Brin]

Not for nothing, but didn't the Mommycast/Podshow contract just run out... as in 'end of agreement'? No big drama there.

Still looking for anyone's take on why it's a good thing to join Podshow. I know it's hard to pinpoint the money aspect, but honestly, that's not all there is. I totally agree that Podshow is a media company, not just podcasting. I *know* what my show is worth, and what I have to offer. But I'm just not understanding what the big whoop is.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is yet either. I know it's my choice. I know I have to do the research. I thought that's what I was doing here! LOL

Hey boys, can you please pinpoint the pros of signing up with Podshow? Beyond having somebody host your site which isn't a problem for me now? Thanks so much!

[etomorrow]

Not for nothing, but didn't the Mommycast/Podshow contract just run out... as in 'end of agreement'? No big drama there.

Still looking for anyone's take on why it's a good thing to join Podshow. I know it's hard to pinpoint the money aspect, but honestly, that's not all there is. I totally agree that Podshow is a media company, not just podcasting. I *know* what my show is worth, and what I have to offer. But I'm just not understanding what the big whoop is.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is yet either. I know it's my choice. I know I have to do the research. I thought that's what I was doing here! LOL

Hey boys, can you please pinpoint the pros of signing up with Podshow? Beyond having somebody host your site which isn't a problem for me now? Thanks so much!

i think the pros are;
you get to hang out with adam curry.
you get to defend podshow's good name whenever anyone speaks ill of podshow on any public forum.
you get driven around in a goofy limo with some marginally racist undertones.
"someone else" is in charge of renewing the domain.

at least that is what i am gathering from this thread.

[WyethDigital]

Hey boys, can you please pinpoint the pros of signing up with Podshow? Beyond having somebody host your site which isn't a problem for me now? Thanks so much!
Brin, one reason you might use them is that they are supposed to have excellent stats, and they have an interface that is reminiscent of MySpace or YouTube (in that it is intended to facilitate social networking). The plus side to that for someone like you is that if you have teen listeners, the whole look and feel of the place should come across as being somewhat familiar.

One of the cons would be the advertising. Like MySpace and YouTube, you don't really have a lot of options (that I've found) for limiting ads that may run contrary to what you think that you or your audience are all about.

Another pro that you might consider is that by hosting your site there, you may also get noticed by PodShow and be offered a contract (or you might not). They may also be able to help you promote your show. The caveat to that is, you can sometimes do just as well at that on your own at your own pace. It depends on how much time you have for networking, and what sites you promote yourself on.

We've done fairly well on our own -- which is why (to PW's great disdain) I said it's important to ask what a company can do for you, beyond what you can do for yourself (because you can bet that they've already figured out what you could do for them). I can't offer specifics yet, but tomorrow we're going to be taping a piece that is being featured on a nationally viewed TV show. We're getting this opportunity from the contacts we've made, the marketing we've done, and the relationships we've cultivated -- and a healthy dose of being in the right place at the right time ;) We didn't have a PodShow or a Bluberry or a Podtrac helping us... We had a community of podcasters, websites and internet portals helping us.


Eric

[Metaphore]

I would comment on this thread but then I would get accused of thinking Podshow is evil

[WyethDigital]

I would comment on this thread but then I would get accused of thinking Podshow is evil
You mean by suggesting that you should look out for your own self-interests any time you enter into a legal contract?

(and make no mistake, everybody, that's what an End User License Agreement is, as well as a TOS/TOU)

Or that there's two sides to every story when a negotiation succeeds or fails?

Hey, if anyone's qualified to judge good or evil, it's you, Rev! ;)

Eric

[Bitz of Brin]

OK, thanks for the info. So Podcast Alley is pretty underground as far as attitudes. It's very anti-establishment. That can have it's pluses. But is there anybody around here who uses Podshow and can say "Heck, Yeah! I love them. Here's why?" I'd like to hear from the other side.

[etomorrow]

OK, thanks for the info. So Podcast Alley is pretty underground as far as attitudes. It's very anti-establishment. That can have it's pluses. But is there anybody around here who uses Podshow and can say "Heck, Yeah! I love them. Here's why?" I'd like to hear from the other side.

interestingly, who owns podcast alley?

[WyethDigital]

OK, thanks for the info. So Podcast Alley is pretty underground as far as attitudes. It's very anti-establishment. That can have it's pluses. But is there anybody around here who uses Podshow and can say "Heck, Yeah! I love them. Here's why?" I'd like to hear from the other side.
Actually Brin, PodShow owns PodcastAlley. I post here, because spurious accusations to the contrary, I have no problem with PodShow. They are a company. As such, they are neither a "Good Guy" or a "Bad Guy." The people that run PodShow have done some very smart things and some very stupid things. They are human beings and that is the nature of us all; but Podshow (non-human that it is) is a corporate entity who's being is made up of legal documents and tax filings. Some of PodShow's employees have apparently forgotten that.

I'm not sure how pointing out that fairly obvious fact is anti-PodShow (if anything, it's the only truly neutral opinion you're going to find). The reason PodShow folks are not answering you can only be guessed at. Could be that I actually did spell things out pretty fairly after all, and they just can't find any legitimate way to continue distorting my opinion or impugning my character.

Truly sorry if I sound a little testy, Brin, but it's not you! I just have a hard time suffering fools and yes-men. I'm done ranting at the brick wall now. They're obviously too busy circling the wagons to actually digest what it is that I'm saying or to answer your questions.

Eric

[WyethDigital]

Thanks Ferf, for the balance re-alignment. I'd whole-heartedly agree that those are all legitimate reasons to consider PodShow. I haven't posted any shows on Podshow, but I can tell you that I've been kicking the tires as a listener as time allows. During a recent bandwidth crunch, it was a move we considered. We opted for another choice, but PodShow was a serious contender.

I can't say yet as to when it will air (they haven't told us), and I'm not yet allowed to say on what show (I wish I could!), but as soon as I can, I will let everyone here know! I can tell you that the show is syndicated nationally, so the times from market to market will vary.

We are doing an extensive taping tomorrow; they want to do scripted scenes as well as highlights from our show. So far they've asked for three episodes and an interview! Of course, given the time constraints of commercial TV, most of it could end up on the cutting room floor!

I'm hoping they'll let me publicize it some more before hand, because both Madeline and are about ready to explode!


Eric

[mdattilo]

I can't say yet as to when it will air (they haven't told us), and I'm not yet allowed to say on what show (I wish I could!), but as soon as I can, I will let everyone here know! I can tell you that the show is syndicated nationally, so the times from market to market will vary.



When what will air? I guess I haven't been paying attention.

[scrapcast]

I host my own stuff. I have loads of my own server space and fast bandwidth = non issue for me.

I've landed (in the past and currently) large sponsorship deals = non issue for me (but more would be kind of nice).

Winding up on Sirius, well, I don't think my show would fair very well in between PCH and D&D (not that I don't love them!) = non issue.

My listener demo is not really the type that would respond favorably to diggs and MySpace type layouts. I've gotten a lot of feedback that it's cluttered and confusing - they just want the info, not the fluff. = non issue for me.

I've already "quit my dayjob" due to the work I put into my show (but I'm not wealthy!) = non issue (but like I said, more is always nice)

My fear is that signing with Podshow will be restrictive in that I won't be able to promote my show (or gain advertisers) on other networks, or in other forms of media (such as TV, etc.) without having to hand it all over to Podshow for negotiation. I am fairly good at getting my own deals, but could always use help. It's just that it feels like I'd be signing with a Hollywood agent that wants to keep me from handling my own business (that's actually a bad thing!)

I know I'll get flamed for wanting to 'cross over' I'm sure. Has anyone out there that **is with Podshow** had any experience with this? Or are you just happy to be at Podshow and don't persue any other outlets/opportunties?

PS - While I did take a drive in the questionable limo, nice as it was, I'm sure it was like 6 miles a gallon. LA lifestyle of the stars I suppose. But it was fun.

[starcom]

My fear is that signing with Podshow will be restrictive in that I won't be able to promote my show (or gain advertisers) on other networks, or in other forms of media (such as TV, etc.) without having to hand it all over to Podshow for negotiation. I am fairly good at getting my own deals, but could always use help. It's just that it feels like I'd be signing with a Hollywood agent that wants to keep me from handling my own business (that's actually a bad thing!)

If you can do it yourself, like it sounds you are, keep the ownership of your show all to yourself. There is nothing equivilent to owning something that is successful and all yours. If you need help along the way, they'll be plenty of good people out there willing to share and help you if you ask them.

Whenever I see a contract that comes my way that has an exclusive or non-compete clause and that restriction doesn't come with a big sack of money up front, that's a deal killer.

There's a lot of time left to grow your show as podcasting grows. In three years the U.S. podcasting audience is expected to grow to 56 million. The next three years should be a lot of fun being a part of this growth and it will come along real fast. Have fun, build your audience and your advertising contacts, and enjoy the ride!

But 3 years is a hellava long-time if you're stuck in a bad business deal that puts you on the sidelines, and wondering if they're doing anything to help/promote/build your show.

Three years at someone elses mercy vs. 100% ownership and the freedom to adapt/grow/learn on your own?

I know which one I'd choose.

Good luck with your show!

[AmericanCliche]

I have been signed with PodShow since May. I had a substantial audience when I signed with them and through my affiliation it has continued to grow.

Thier content delivery network is unparallelled. Every morning I hit "refresh" in iTunes to download my favorite shows and I can tell you that shows on the PDN are 3-4 times faster at downloading than the shows that are hosted with other providers.

They have also given me a weekly spot on Sirius Satellite. How many other podcast networks have the pull to make that happen?

Since signing with PodShow they have brought me a significant amount of income. In the five months I have been with Podshow I have earned five times what I earned in the previous year trying to get ads on my own.

Like so many people have pointed out, joining PodShow may not be for everyone. It is a business decision and should be treated as such. PodShow is a serious company with goals and is making stuff happen, thus they expect their content providers to have that same level of ambition.

Brin, feel free to contact me if you have more questions. I am happy to help.

-Scott

[Slone]

I’d like to chime in as well!

My relationship since joining PodShow, Inc. back in April has been a great experience! In regards to an invite to sign – PodShow opens doors, and how one choose to walk through those doors is up to you. Basically, a relationship with the Network is what you make of it. The amount of resources available are amazing, and personally I’m only starting to scratch the surface.

I’ve worked in new media in many facets most of my life and I’ve seen gigs come and go. I’m moving slower than most in the realm of Podcasting and “quitting your day job”, but I’m seeing good conversion which is important for me. The harder I work in putting all the pieces together correctly, the more conversion opportunities become a reality for my show - as well as for the network that provides me the tools and invests in my future.

So rather than repeating what theFerf and Scott have said… I’ll just second their feedback.

I had an opportunity to visit PodShow HQ several weeks ago and I was most impressed. There is such a solid knowledge base over there and huge amount of talent working for the Network, I could not help feeling energized and inspired. It was almost infectious. Contrary to what’s been suggested here in this discussion - It’s been a human process from the start when I signed with PodShow from phone calls, IM, to personable emails.

Hosting your show for free over at PodShow+ is just the start with a great set of tools and a community to boot!

Cheers!
Scott

[WyethDigital]

I can't say yet as to when it will air (they haven't told us), and I'm not yet allowed to say on what show (I wish I could!), but as soon as I can, I will let everyone here know! I can tell you that the show is syndicated nationally, so the times from market to market will vary.



When what will air? I guess I haven't been paying attention.
Yep... you missed the part where I was telling Brin that you can have success on your own (if you want to), and as an example I pointed out that we (without the help of an agent or a podcasting network) are being used as part of a feature on a nationally syndicated magazine show. We just wrapped taping with their crew this afternoon.

We could be on as early as Friday! I'll keep you posted.

Oh, and Slone, I didn't say the folks who work at Podshow aren't human, nor did I ever imply that. Some of you PodShow guys need to take your blinders off for a minute. I said that the corporate entity known as Podshow is not a human being. It is a legal construction and therefore when you make deals with the company you should recognize that, and that goes for every company (Let me CAPS that, just so you guys can see it: THAT GOES FOR EVERY COMPANY).

Could you tell me how that implies the employees, board members and investors are themselves not human? Because that's not what I said, and it's rather disingenuous of you to imply that I did. In fact, I'm a little surprised at it, since you are normally someone whom I consider to be pretty balanced.

Eric

[Slone]

Whoa there WyethDigital! ;)

First, I extend my apology to you as did make the mistake of targeting this discussion. I admit seeing the (non-human) had subliminally triggered and reminded me of past rants about PodShow.

This non-human, secretive, cultish, corporate monster, type attitude has been implied more than once in many different ways. I did not intend this as a personal attack against you, but a testimony of my experience with PodShow on a human level. My intent was to counteract that vibe...

Podshow (non-human that it is) is a corporate entity who's being is made up of legal documents and tax filings. Some of PodShow's employees have apparently forgotten that.

After you reading your post again... Yes, I hear what you're saying. My apology again guy for the confusion in my post.

In fact, I'm a little surprised at it, since you are normally someone whom I consider to be pretty balanced.
Thanks, I try to be where I can...

Peace,
Scott

[mdattilo]

Yep... you missed the part where I was telling Brin that you can have success on your own (if you want to), and as an example I pointed out that we (without the help of an agent or a podcasting network) are being used as part of a feature on a nationally syndicated magazine show. We just wrapped taping with their crew this afternoon.


Congratulations, Eric! You guys richly deserve your success.

[WyethDigital]

Whoa there WyethDigital! ;)

This non-human, secretive, cultish, corporate monster, type attitude has been implied more than once in many different ways. I did not intend this as a personal attack against you, but a testimony of my experience with PodShow on a human level. My intent was to counteract that vibe...
Hi Scott,

Fair enough. I can see your point, and I agree that at times PodShow has been characterized by its detractors as being a faceless, unfeeling corporate machine. And sometimes even had all-too-human ethos applied to it as well -- aka the "Podhsow is evil" rant. So I can understand your defensiveness.

I was a fair bit self-defensive as well. Was getting a little tired of being mischaracterized in the debate. So I apologize for my own quick trigger!

Peace out,

Eric

[WyethDigital]

Yep... you missed the part where I was telling Brin that you can have success on your own (if you want to), and as an example I pointed out that we (without the help of an agent or a podcasting network) are being used as part of a feature on a nationally syndicated magazine show. We just wrapped taping with their crew this afternoon.


Congratulations, Eric! You guys richly deserve your success.
Thanks, Matt! As do you (deserve success. It's an awesome podcast!)

To correct my name recognition software ;)

[mdattilo]

Scott?

[WyethDigital]

Scott?
Oops! Sorry. Avatars weren't loading on the site (PCA was really slow for me for a bit), and I mistook whom I was quoting! My bad! I thought it was Scott from Alaska Podshow. I'll fix it!

Eric
:oops:

[mdattilo]

no problem! By the way, can you tell us anything else yet about what and when?

[WyethDigital]

no problem! By the way, can you tell us anything else yet about what and when?
Well, I haven't heard officially yet... But we're told it could go on TV as early as this Friday. I'll post tomorrow (Thursday) about who and when. I want to get some pre-publicity out of this before the darn thing airs!

Eric

I can say that the initials of the show's host are DN.

Here's a quick and dirty shot of the interview!

http://www.howtogirl.com/images/interview.jpg

[etomorrow]

no problem! By the way, can you tell us anything else yet about what and when?
Well, I haven't heard officially yet... But we're told it could go on TV as early as this Friday. I'll post tomorrow (Thursday) about who and when. I want to get some pre-publicity out of this before the darn thing airs!

Eric

I can say that the initials of the show's host are DN.

Here's a quick and dirty shot of the interview!

http://www.howtogirl.com/images/interview.jpg

were you on dateline "to catch a predator"?
awesome.

[WyethDigital]

Yeah, but apparently we missed him. He extended his stay in the alcohol rehab program until after the election.

Eric


PS -- You can see my less-waffly announcement here. (http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=69726#69726)

[Lizard King]

Anything and Everything positive that happens for you guys is richly deserved!
Congrats guys!

[charleyw]

I'm still lost as to why Podshow could not have been a part of the Expo.

The Expo organizers would not let the hotel rent space to Podshow. That's why they had to set up in a different location, and why they provided the silly limo. It was not their choice.

I know I shouldn't jump in here, but I feel it necessary to speak up for "The Expo organizers".

When Trypod Network was thinking about renting a space for a party at the hotel, Tim Bourquin (the Expo organizer) told me they had nothing to do with the space at the hotel, and I should contact them directly. He was MORE than helpful and supportive. To say Tim and Emile PREVENTED the hotel to rent space to Podshow is absurd. First of all...the expo utilized more than one hotel! Libsyn had their party at a different hotel than Podcast Pickle.

Secondly, there was nothing to prevent Podshow from renting a space on the floor of the Expo itself.

I think the show organizers did an outstanding job, and they bent over backwards to try to accomodate everyone. From renting the booth to everything else. Tim was always available to answer questions, no matter how busy he must have been. I can't imagine him ostracizing anyone. What good would it do him?


Charley

[WyethDigital]

Hmmmm.... that sounds like it comes from someone that knows some of the "facts."

Eric

[Slone]

Is the dog dead yet?

[pwfenton]

Hmmmm.... that sounds like it comes from someone that knows some of the "facts."

Eric

Hmmm... why does THAT sound like "facts"? Because it agrees with your premise? Your bias is instantly transparent. Why not ask THEM for links to statements so you can verify?

You believe what you WANT to believe, and you become, therefore, unreliable.

I didn't name my source because I shouldn't have to. I've never lied on this forum, and I shouldn't be suspected of lying.

What Charley was told by the organizers didn't necessarily have anything to do with why Podshow wasn't allowed to rent space. Charley never asked about Podshow.

[WyethDigital]

Hmmmm.... that sounds like it comes from someone that knows some of the "facts."

Eric

I didn't name my source because I shouldn't have to. I've never lied on this forum, and I shouldn't be suspected of lying.
And I didn't lie, either, PW. It's too bad for you that I'm feeling sick and cranky, because my internal filter is off.

You are only transparent as a PodShow hack. Doesn't matter that PodShow needs you shilling for them (they'd probably be better off if they didn't have you opening your trap every time someone said the word "PodShow"). I don't lie on this forum either, and since you were the one to bring this aspect of the debate up, then yes, you do need to supply your sources. The simple fact is, you can't. That's because you haven't got any. Just that typically tired Podshow Pollyanna routine of yours.

Go home, PW.

Eric

[WyethDigital]

Is the dog dead yet?
Maybe, but the horse is getting a good whipping.

Eric

[pwfenton]

And I didn't lie, either, PW. It's too bad for you that I'm feeling sick and cranky, because my internal filter is off.

You are only transparent as a PodShow hack. Doesn't matter that PodShow needs you shilling for them (they'd probably be better off if they didn't have you opening your trap every time someone said the word "PodShow"). I don't lie on this forum either, and since you were the one to bring this aspect of the debate up, then yes, you do need to supply your sources. The simple fact is, you can't. That's because you haven't got any. Just that typically tired Podshow Pollyanna routine of yours.

Go home, PW.

Eric

I didn't accuse you, or anyone else of lying. But thanks, Eric. While, on my own, I might not have been able to come up with a way of illustrating to readers which of us was taking the high road in all this... you seem to have done that for me.

[Slone]

Is the dog dead yet?
Maybe, but the horse is getting a good whipping.

Eric

Riiight…

Obviously there is principle and lesson trying to be communicated. I get it, but I don't thank others will own to getting it either.

PW once said... "...I hope it was worth it, because you'll never get this time back again."

[WyethDigital]

And I didn't lie, either, PW. It's too bad for you that I'm feeling sick and cranky, because my internal filter is off.

You are only transparent as a PodShow hack. Doesn't matter that PodShow needs you shilling for them (they'd probably be better off if they didn't have you opening your trap every time someone said the word "PodShow"). I don't lie on this forum either, and since you were the one to bring this aspect of the debate up, then yes, you do need to supply your sources. The simple fact is, you can't. That's because you haven't got any. Just that typically tired Podshow Pollyanna routine of yours.

Go home, PW.

Eric

I didn't accuse you, or anyone else of lying. But thanks, Eric. While, on my own, I might not have been able to come up with a way of illustrating to readers which of us was taking the high road in all this... you seem to have done that for me.
PW, the only road you've been on is the passive-aggressive PodShow, PodShow PodShow one.

You did accuse of me of lying, despite your denials. You repeatedly accused me of not using facts despite your inability to provide your own. If that's not an accusation of lying, then I don't know what is. Frankly, PW, I don't expect anything less from someone who would rather play semantics-games than have an actual discussion.

Here's the "facts" you haven't YET refuted: A convention center (not the adjacent hotels) will not usually hold two similar events, unless the two organizers are working together. The primary reason for this is that trade-show floor-space (or dealers' rooms). If you're holding two similar events, which are likely to attract the same vendors, you don't want the organizations to compete against each other.

The PME and PodShow could not reach an agreement for their participation. It could have been money issues (usually is). Nowhere. NOWHERE did I say that the lack of agreement was exclusively PodShow's fault. You show me where I did say that. All I said was that if the money had been right, then PodShow could have had just about any presence that they wanted. You take this to be anti-Podshow. It's NOT. Only someone with a PodShow chip on their shoulder, or someone with PodShow blinders on could construe it that way. You haven't offered a single thing -- NOT ONE -- to say how this is wrong. You just sniffle and whine that I dislike Podshow (I don't dislike PodShow -- but I'm not a drooling fan-boy, either).

It's a good thing your podcast is good, because if your posts around here were any measure of the man, you'd be lacking otherwise.

Out,
Eric

[WyethDigital]

Is the dog dead yet?
Maybe, but the horse is getting a good whipping.

Eric

Riiight…

Obviously there is principle and lesson trying to be communicated. I get it, but I don't thank others will own to getting it either.

PW once said... "...I hope it was worth it, because you'll never get this time back again."
Yeah, PW says a lot of stuff. A good part of it (in my experience) involves holding his hands over his ears and shouting "N'yah, n'yah, n'yah, n'yah" anytime someone says the word "PodShow" in any way that he doesn't like. He should try applying some of that great wisdom that he claims to have on himself sometime... because I gotta tell you, I ain't impressed by the guy (and I'm sure the feeling is mutual). :roll:

Eric

[charleyw]

Hmmmm.... that sounds like it comes from someone that knows some of the "facts."

Eric

Hmmm... why does THAT sound like "facts"? Because it agrees with your premise? Your bias is instantly transparent. Why not ask THEM for links to statements so you can verify?

You believe what you WANT to believe, and you become, therefore, unreliable.

I didn't name my source because I shouldn't have to. I've never lied on this forum, and I shouldn't be suspected of lying.

What Charley was told by the organizers didn't necessarily have anything to do with why Podshow wasn't allowed to rent space. Charley never asked about Podshow.

I just sent an email to Tim Bourquin, making him aware of this thread. I'm hoping he'll respond so we can clear the air.

Oh, by the way, I did in fact ask about Podshow.


Charley

[carolw]

Six pages worth and I still haven't learned why the MommyCast left podshow.

[pwfenton]

http://digitalflotsam.org/ExpoReference06-10-02.mp3

[WyethDigital]

http://digitalflotsam.org/ExpoReference06-10-02.mp3
And that refutes what I've been saying how?

Eric

[WyethDigital]

Six pages worth and I still haven't learned why the MommyCast left podshow.
Thank PW for that. He has successfully deflected discussion away from what was the actual topic of this post. Nice job, PW. Nice job.

Eric

[pwfenton]

Six pages worth and I still haven't learned why the MommyCast left podshow.
Thank PW for that. He has successfully deflected discussion away from what was the actual topic of this post. Nice job, PW. Nice job.

Eric

Actually the topic of the Podshow limo, and why Podshow was off site at the expo was brought up in the 4th post in this thread, before I ever joined the discussion. But what the hell, sure, why not? I'll take the blame for why we don't know why the Mommy Cast is no longer associated with Podshow. I've been keeping Paige and Gretchen from answering that question, so that we could all speculate about that and anything else we could dream up.

[WyethDigital]

Actually the topic of the Podshow limo, and why Podshow was off site at the expo was brought up in the 4th post in this thread, before I ever joined the discussion.
My apologies on the chronology. You're correct on that.

But you still haven't said how your audio clip of Adam Curry refutes what I've been saying. In fact, it only strengthens my supposition.

Eric

[pwfenton]

But you still haven't said how your audio clip of Adam Curry refutes what I've been saying. In fact, it only strengthens my supposition.

Eric

I didn't say it refuted anyone. I answered the question as to who my "source" of information was. Adam spoke about it more than once on his DSC podcast during the month of October. That was the easiest one to find since it was his first show after the Expo. But he actually spoke about in greater detail later in the month, but I don't have the time to listen to 20 shows in order to find it. Especially when they are available to anyone that cares.

When I said "The Expo organizers would not let the hotel rent space to Podshow. That's why they had to set up in a different location, and why they provided the silly limo. It was not their choice." I had learned that information from the co-founder and President of Podshow.

And frankly, I hear Adam's voice so often that I couldn't remember if it was a private statement or a public one. I still don't recall if we spoke privately about it, but clearly he spoke publicly about it. I consider him a pretty good source of Podshow information.

I can't think of many podcasters that haven't heard the address "adam@podshow.com". You could probably ask him about any of this stuff. He hates writing e-mails, so you might have to listen for an answer, but he sure doesn't hide much.

[WyethDigital]

But you still haven't said how your audio clip of Adam Curry refutes what I've been saying. In fact, it only strengthens my supposition.

Eric

I didn't say it refuted anyone.
You sure seemed to imply pretty strongly that it would.

I answered the question as to who my "source" of information was. Adam spoke about it more than once on his DSC podcast during the month of October. That was the easiest one to find since it was his first show after the Expo. But he actually spoke about in greater detail later in the month, but I don't have the time to listen to 20 shows in order to find it. Especially when they are available to anyone that cares.
And why didn't you just say you heard it from Adam in the first place? I know this may come as a big shock, but not everyone listens to DSC religiously. I, and I think anybody else reading this, would have been satisfied with that. It still only serves to highlight one source from one side of the issue (which, I think we both agree is rather stupid), but at least it's a source.

Eric

[pwfenton]

And why didn't you just say you heard it from Adam in the first place?
Eric
As I said, I wasn't certain what was said publicly and what was said privately. I don't believe in making other people's private comments public, so I wasn't about to do it unless I could find him saying it publicly. It's just the way I am. Private is private.

[podcastrant.com]

check with all accounts of their "interaction" at the expo last year and this year. Then decide for yourself. There's some good reading and listening if you're good with google.

[Barefoot Radio.com]

Mommycast wrote me and said they are not at liberty to discuss the reason for their not being in podshow anymore. They added that I was 'very wise' not to join. I never thought for a second to join but.....

I guess I have my silly two cents to add.

Podshow is a business, and in business it makes sense to do the best you can when you're signing contracts with people. They don't do it for charity, and why should they?? Why would someone offer a contract where they purposefully try to negotiate LESS in the deal for themselves? Business is a battle to do the best for oneself in the deal making process. Professionals realize this and try to arrive at a compromise that works for both parties.

In defense of Podshow, they may offer a real opportunity for people who have no other opportunities about how to support or expose or host their show. Podshow is not an idea without merit, and it's just so blasted silly to call them 'evil.'

I for sure don't have a 'problem' with podshow. I love to see others succeed, and I do my best to learn from the success of others.

Would I join? No, because doors are opening up all around me for other kinds of deals, under my own roof, independently.

One fundamentally WEAK factor of the Podshow network is that all of those podcasts are out of everyone's home. Is that not true? Now a bunch of people can respond nastily, but it's quite incredible the changes that have been taking place in my business after working in a commercial space instead of the basement. I wouldn't be producing a show that's going on the real radio now if it weren't for getting OUT of the basement. Doors are opening and it's because we have a studio space that's being used professionally to produce other shows in our network.

Does podshow even have a studio? I'm just curious.

Basement/Home podcasters, like it or not, are subject to a 'glass ceiling' either monitarily or professionally.

->That doesn't however mean that podcasting can't be used meaningfully from home as a 'professional gateway.' The podcast for most people should NOT be created ONLY as an end in and of itself or to make money. It is a place to showcase your talent professionally and hopefully 'that' will lead podcasters to PROFESSIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

[WyethDigital]

Podshow is a business, and in business it makes sense to do the best you can when you're signing contracts with people. They don't do it for charity, and why should they?? Why would someone offer a contract where they purposefully try to negotiate LESS in the deal for themselves? Business is a battle to do the best for oneself in the deal making process. Professionals realize this and try to arrive at a compromise that works for both parties.
I agree. That is exactly what I've been saying! PodShow can look after their interests (it's their job to), and I will look after mine (that's my job). Anything else is risking giving away the farm. Some folks around here see that as anti-PodShow for some bizarre reason. I think it's pro-business.

In defense of Podshow, they may offer a real opportunity for people who have no other opportunities about how to support or expose or host their show. Podshow is not an idea without merit, and it's just so blasted silly to call them 'evil.'

I for sure don't have a 'problem' with podshow. I love to see others succeed, and I do my best to learn from the success of others.

Again, I agree, and have always said as much. Calling PodShow evil is akin to calling a waterfall evil because you don't like getting splashed by the spray. It's silly, and always has been.

I have no problem with PodShow as a business. I have podcasting friends who are with PodShow, and it has done very well for them. It was the deal they were looking for. Does that mean it's the deal everybody is looking for? Not always.

That said, I don't like everything PodShow has done. Like any company, they are capable of brilliant work, and just as capable of really bad decisions. I've praised them for the good stuff they do (and will continue to do so, despite their rather passive aggressive "ambassador"), and have nailed them for the bad stuff they haven't done well (and will continue to do so).

->That doesn't however mean that podcasting can't be used meaningfully from home as a 'professional gateway.' The podcast for most people should NOT be created ONLY as an end in and of itself or to make money. It is a place to showcase your talent professionally and hopefully 'that' will lead podcasters to PROFESSIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
Amen to that, brother! If you want to do it professionally, you have to make your podcast into part of a larger plan.

Eric

[themonkeybox]

One fundamentally WEAK factor of the Podshow network is that all of those podcasts are out of everyone's home. Is that not true? Now a bunch of people can respond nastily, <snip>

Does podshow even have a studio? I'm just curious.

Basement/Home podcasters, like it or not, are subject to a 'glass ceiling' either monitarily or professionally.


I know this is somewhat off the main thread topic, but I want to disagree with you a little bit here, or maybe clarify (and not nastily at all).

The results we get at The Monkey Box aren't because we record at a million dollar studio, it's because we took the time to baffle a room (which is in one of our member's homes), defeat those annoying room reflections, and got a few half-decent microphones. Now, granted, there are eleven us, and forking out for some good mics was a little easier when divided by eleven. But a reasonable microphone isn't THAT expensive. To be honest, we probably over-spent. The soundproofing of the room was more important.

The next step is to make sure your post-production includes cleaning up your audio (and podcasters? Seriously, DO post production, it doesn't make you any less "independent") Hell, Apple's Garageband has a setting for "Podcast: Male Narrator, Noisy" that'll do 99% of the work for you!

When I hear podcasts that are all hissy and/or the host sounds like they're in a bathroom, I have to wonder why. If you take it seriously, it just doesn't take much to make a quality sounding show.

[WyethDigital]

The next step is to make sure your post-production includes cleaning up your audio (and podcasters? Seriously, DO post production, it doesn't make you any less "independent") Hell, Apple's Garageband has a setting for "Podcast: Male Narrator, Noisy" that'll do 99% of the work for you!

When I hear podcasts that are all hissy and/or the host sounds like they're in a bathroom, I have to wonder why. If you take it seriously, it just doesn't take much to make a quality sounding show.
I agree. We shoot out of a home, and when I take the time and expense to light it correctly, it hardly looks that way at all (it would completely look like a studio if the place wasn't "lived in" -- but then it wouldn't be a home, it'd be a studio). When I skimp on lighting and sound, it looks less polished and the production does feel like it was shot in a home kitchen or dining room.

Some of what a podcaster does to make a better production will come with time and practice, some things will cost a little money, and some things can only be achieved by spending time in post. The first focus of a podcaster should always be content (that's the part that trumps commercialized media), but the second priority should be making it listenable/viewable by the audience.

Eric

[mdattilo]

Mommycast wrote me and said they are not at liberty to discuss the reason for their not being in podshow anymore. They added that I was 'very wise' not to join. I never thought for a second to join but.....

->That doesn't however mean that podcasting can't be used meaningfully from home as a 'professional gateway.' The podcast for most people should NOT be created ONLY as an end in and of itself or to make money. It is a place to showcase your talent professionally and hopefully 'that' will lead podcasters to PROFESSIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

Sorry I'm late to re-visit the thread. Your fairly self-serving comments about "basement" podcasting aside, you implied that Podshow has actually presented you with an opportunity to for a relationship with the company. Is that correct?

[Hittman]

When I hear podcasts that are all hissy and/or the host sounds like they're in a bathroom, I have to wonder why.

I wonder why for five, maybe ten seconds.

Then I move on to the next show and make a note to remove the hissy one from my feed.

A year ago you could get away with it if your content was great, but not any more. There are too many good, well done podcasts to bother with crappy production, no matter how good the content.

[djtrashy]

That was CLEARLY someone's misinterpretation (or deliberate misrepresentation). Podshow has never tried to own (or control) anyone's content, including in cases where they have provided substantial support.

Yes, this is an old thread - so I'm a bit behind, so sue me....

I just found this quote from 11/30/05:

"For podcasters, the incentive to work with PodShow is multifold, says Gretchen Vogelzang one of the two hosts of MommyCast, which has a three-year contract with PodShow."

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2005/tc20051130_220713.htm

Doesn't this mean that Mommycast parted ways with Podshow while a contract was still in place? I can't help but believe that they wanted to keep all of their own sponsorship earnings without any contractual entanglements.