The Top 10

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[Ian]

The top ten has changed quite a bit over the last year. In fact, the only show that is still in the top ten today is FTL, and even we fell off the top ten during one month in the last 12!

Sorry, but you're just wrong. Good luck making the ten!

One year ago, June 05's final rankings were:
1. this WEEK in TECH
2. The MacCast
3. The Dawn and Drew Show...
4. EarthCore - A Podcast ...
5. Free Talk Live
6. The Big Seminar Live P...
7. Inside Mac Radio
8. Catholic Insider
9. tartanpodcast - 1st mu...
10. Coverville

Compared to May 06's final rankings:
1. The Daily Giz Wiz
2. MuggleCast
3. Ogrish.com: Uncover Re...
4. Keith and The Girl
5. Free Talk Live
6. Distorted View
7. Nobody Likes Onions
8. Geek Brief TV
9. Soccergirl, Incorporat...
10. the Signal - Firefly &...

[ElNacho]

u no, those're in the top 10 cuz they have lotsa fans. if you get into the top ten, it's cuz u have lotsa greedy folks reading yer posts.

i dont care too much anymore though. ive dropped podcast alley off the list of things i care about.

[rbcp]

I voted for you and you don't even have to vote for me. That's just the kind of nice guy that I am.

The Top 10 does change a little each month. There's a few that stick in there such as NLO and FTL, but other shows consistantly come and go. Good luck with making it, though!

[Ian]

ive dropped podcast alley off the list of things i care about.

Why are you still here?

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

Ian - I love you.

But you are arguing with a 14 year old child. I couldn't imagine you doing that in real life.


HAHAHAHHAHAHA

[paulyb]

I think it'll take more than us slaggy podcasters to get you in the top ten, loverboy. I strongly recommend you look at that other thread with nine pages worth of "Vote for me" types - we all did all right out of it but there weren't any fanfares.

Formula for getting lots of votes legitimately:

Do a great show
Get loads of listeners
Ask them to vote for you.

I think that's how it's supposed to work.

Shame none of us appear to be able to do just that.

[mdattilo]

I ask my listeners to vote for my podcast twice a month. As a result, I consistently end up in the mid-60's ranking-wise. To be in the Top 10, you simply have to have a lot of listeners because not enough people read these forums to make a difference.

And even if you could land in the Top 10 by begging for votes in this forum, what's the point? I would rather have people vote for me who actually listen to my podcast; otherwise you're just gaming the system.

[tokies]

hey those dawn and drew told people not to vote for them.. which is why or one of the major reason there not in the top.. 10.. i think cos they are getting press in.. papers.. and things like that TV press. that being in the top 10 might not be worth asking for votes in there feed.. but im only guessing i could be totally wrong...

but thats what it seem like to me...

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

I heard Dawn and Drew's show is failing miserably. I heard that the "fad" has ended.

Also, if you pay Chris from Podcastalley $60, he will put you at number 9 in the top ten.

As long as he has enough for his 60-bag, he's your friend.

[mdattilo]

It's funny how people "hear" things about the big podcasts, but no one ever knows any facts.

[psycheology]

Matt Dattilo posting in a forum? Like just hanging out and posting?

I thought I'd never see the day...

;-)

[mdattilo]

Actually, I'm "working". But, yes, I mostly just lurk ;-)

[cinesnob]

I suppose all the Top Ten is, is a pack of podcasters voting for themselves. Then Number Nine can go strutting off to the local supermarket and brag to the check-out clerk that he (or she) has hit the podcasting big time! The clerk will blankly smile and not know what the hell this idiot is talking about. Depressing, huh?

[spartacusroosevelt]

I suppose all the Top Ten is, is a pack of podcasters voting for themselves. Then Number Nine can go strutting off to the local supermarket and brag to the check-out clerk that he (or she) has hit the podcasting big time! The clerk will blankly smile and not know what the hell this idiot is talking about. Depressing, huh?

I may not be in the overall top ten, but as of last night vote whoring had brought me the number 6 spot in Music/Radio. And Shay the checkout girl at WinnDixie was very impressed.

Actually I had one guy email me and tell me that Podcast listeners must have very avantguarde tastes with my show being ranked so high last month. I had to laugh.

[SteveRunner]

I heard Dawn and Drew's show is failing miserably.

No disrespect intended: but, you're kidding right?

I ask because I've actually heard from a number of other podcasters that D&D are doing incredibly well.

Shouldn't we all hope that they do well? Don't we want to crush terrestrial radio by having all podcasts succeed in drawing away the AM and FM audience to something better?

I don't listen to the radio anymore, and I always vote for my favorite PodCasts (D&D included) because I want to encourage them to keep producing.

But I've not heard any rumours to suggest that D&D are doing poorly...although you might have better sources than I do.

Let's just hope your sources are wrong!

You were kidding TalkShow, right?

- S

[ferg]

I heard Dawn and Drew's show is failing miserably.


No disrespect intended: but, you're kidding right?


It's funny how people "hear" things about the big podcasts, but no one ever knows any facts.

Cheese and rice.
You do realize that the "Dawn and Drew are failing" post was the same post that said that if you pay Chis McIntyre $60 (which he then uses for weed), he'll put you in the top 10, right?

Sarcasm, people, sarcasm.

While it IS true that McIntyre will put you in the top 10 for $60, everybody knows that Chris McIntyre is a hardcore right-winger who not only doesn't use drugs, but contributed all the cash he got when he sold this site to podshow to the war on drugs. I've heard he's literally a soldier in the war on drugs - making regular trips to South American every year to pop the kingpins. He's actually writing a memoir of the internal struggle he faced selling this site to an admitted user such as Adam Curry. I think that's why he donated the proceeds - just so he could sleep at night.

[mdattilo]

Finally, some facts!!!! ;-)

[cinesnob]

It's it wonderful we podcasters are taking a stand on the war on drugs! Where's Punky Brewster?

[Barefoot Radio.com]

Fact:

I poop several times in the morning when I am chronically addicted to marijuana.

When I'm off it and my body is normal, I get in a routine of pooping once a day.

I just wrote this because I want to see if the ferf busts my door down to bring me to the cops. But it reall is factual about my pooping habits.


Talk to you later, I gotta poop again.[/b]

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

I heard Dawn and Drew's show is failing miserably.

No disrespect intended: but, you're kidding right?

I ask because I've actually heard from a number of other podcasters that D&D are doing incredibly well.

Shouldn't we all hope that they do well? Don't we want to crush terrestrial radio by having all podcasts succeed in drawing away the AM and FM audience to something better?

I don't listen to the radio anymore, and I always vote for my favorite PodCasts (D&D included) because I want to encourage them to keep producing.

But I've not heard any rumours to suggest that D&D are doing poorly...although you might have better sources than I do.

Let's just hope your sources are wrong!

You were kidding TalkShow, right?

- S

No, I'm not kidding. I heard that from a fairly reliable source.

Shouldn't we all hope that they do well? Don't we want to crush terrestrial radio by having all podcasts succeed in drawing away the AM and FM audience to something better?

Um - do you know who you're talking to? I make a living doing my show on terrestrial radio. Plus - it's not terrestrial radio we have to "crush," it's the crappy programming we have to REPLACE.

And Dawn and Drew certainly aren't paving the way for anyone. They're a fad that is slowly dying out. This "game" is about hard work and constantly one-upping yourself, not about doing something underground and staying stagnant.

[Ian]

Well said, Mike.

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

Man, I missed you Chris.

Let it be known, we WILL be sharing a drink at the expo. (with two straws)

[paulyb]

I think Dawn & Drew are rubbish. I also think that a number of the supposedly "Excellent" podcasters out there are rubbish. I've listened to everything in the PCA top ten and with a couple of exceptions, they're all cack.

Like Mike D I make a living out of broadcasting but my first love is podcasting and I would choose Punky! over anything else that I do. The sad thing is that this whole podcasting malarky is a huge glass house with very few people willing to throw stones.

If anyone here is willing to admit that anyone in the outside world gives a **** about this miraculous new genre then they're fools. The only people who are ever going to be genuinely successful in this are the ones who are genuinely good. I would love to consider myself amongst those but my own inconsistency dictates that I still have a long way to go.

Podcasting is the death of terrestrial radio? Bollocks. It's just making terrestrial radio work harder. I've seen a marked improvement in the last six months in the terrestrial radio output in the UK and it's got money, brains and talent behind it. They only need to get their music licencing sorted out and we'll be like Betamax. Podcasting's only long term hope is in specialist markets, like Pheddippidations (Excuse my spelling) and the like.

I would like to point out that I have been drinking this evening but most of what I say will probably hold up in court.

[ferg]

The sad thing is that this whole podcasting malarky is a huge glass house with very few people willing to throw stones.


I question your grasp of the "glass house" metaphor. After all, isn't it said that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?


If anyone here is willing to admit that anyone in the outside world gives a d*mn about this miraculous new genre then they're fools.


While I do agree that many people in the podcasting community overestimate the weight or importance of podcasting, to suggest that nobody else cares is a bit of an overstatement. Apple cared enough to make it a prominent place on iTunes. Since then, countless other "established" institutions have started podcasting or porting their stuff to podcasts. I think that all qualifies as the outside world giving a d*mn.


The only people who are ever going to be genuinely successful in this are the ones who are genuinely good.


While I agree that being "good" helps, there are countless successes in other areas of entertainment who I would not consider "good". There's no reason that Dawn and Drew can't be a real success. I understand that they don't strive to be "professional" in the traditional sense, but in a new medium, perhaps people can redefine who the professionals are.

Podcasting is the death of terrestrial radio? Bollocks. It's just making terrestrial radio work harder.

I agree that they'll work harder, and I agree that it's not going anywhere. Has anyone in the LA area heard the Adam Carolla morning show? I think it's phenomenal. I guess it depends if you like his personality or not, but I really think it's hilarious. I used to be a Stern listener, but it got very repetitive. After sometime, perhaps the same thing will happen to AC, too, but till then...(for the record, bits from his show are also published as a podcast).


Podcasting's only long term hope is in specialist markets, like Pheddippidations (Excuse my spelling) and the like.


This I do not agree with. I think that the podcasting audience will be big enough to support things of a more general nature. Of course, podcasting IS the perfect place for niche shows that target a more specific audience than could support a radio show.


I would like to point out that I have been drinking this evening but most of what I say will probably hold up in court.

Down the hatches!

[Barefoot Radio.com]

I agree that they'll work harder, and I agree that it's not going anywhere. Has anyone in the LA area heard the Adam Carolla morning show? I think it's phenomenal. I guess it depends if you like his personality or not, but I really think it's hilarious. I used to be a Stern listener, but it got very repetitive. After sometime, perhaps the same thing will happen to AC, too, but till then...(for the record, bits from his show are also published as a podcast.

I have to agree that Adam Corolla is awesome. He may very well be the best talent I've heard of in terrestrial radio.

Have you heard Stern since he went to Sattelite? I find it to be so vastly better than what was on regular radio that it's amazing. I got so aggrivated when he was on the regular radio and the fight became about not being able to say whatever.

Plus, I find that I enjoy 80-90 percent of his show. There are times when I get annoyed with some boring moment, or some various obsession of his. I think it's the way everything is. Every moment can't be stellar, but honestly, I've never found something that makes me laugh more consistently.

It's just my opinion that people operating on the regular airwaves are operating in an environment with a grave freedom deficit.

Mike D is totally right about one thing here. It's that some of us are embarking on careers in which 'topping' ourselves is very important.

Also, it's really easy to get someone to listen to a show once out of curiosity, it's REALLY difficult to connect with listeners, especially if they're already diehard fans of other shows.

[ferg]

I have to agree that Adam Corolla is awesome. He may very well be the best talent I've heard of in terrestrial radio.


...and just to add...I think the seeming effortlessness is part of that. The guy, to me, is just hysterical everytime he opens his mouth. I'm definitely a fan of his from before the radio, but I think his actual show is something special too. I'm glad you agree.


Have you heard Stern since he went to Sattelite? I find it to be so vastly better than what was on regular radio that it's amazing. I got so aggrivated when he was on the regular radio and the fight became about not being able to say whatever.


I have, as a long time Sirius subscriber, but, admittedly, I have not heard it at great length. As for what I have heard, I agree, it's better...it's nice that he's moved on from the whole seemingly eternal BS "I'm Leaving" feud. However, for me personally, the Stern show lost something awhile after he left his wife. Before that, he was everyman. After that, he's banging supermodels, etc...and, don't get me wrong - there's a certain vicarious/voyeuristic draw there, too, but, as a husband and father, there was something a little more special about his show when he was "in the trenches" of everyday family life.

I'll tell you what I do really enjoy, though is the wrap-up show. I think I actually enjoy that more than the show itself.


It's just my opinion that people operating on the regular airwaves are operating in an environment with a grave freedom deficit.


No doubt.


Mike D is totally right about one thing here.


Do you think Mike D is wrong about anything?


It's that some of us are embarking on careers in which 'topping' ourselves is very important.


And good for you. I think you have to do that. I do that in my career (which is not related to radio or podcasting). I agree that you have to. However, it's not just people that are doing this as a career that try to one-up themselves. I am constantly trying to do better...to do a little bit more. Granted, it's harder to do that if this isn't your full time gig due to time constraints, but it's not just the those "embarking on careers" that are consistently trying to improve.


Also, it's really easy to get someone to listen to a show once out of curiosity, it's REALLY difficult to connect with listeners, especially if they're already diehard fans of other shows.

Very good point. Which is why we've always pushed word-of-mouth advertising. If you have someone who listens to you, and they tell someone they know really well about the show, that person is more likely to stick, because a) the person that told them about you knows them and thinks they'll like your show and b) they know the person referring you, so they're coming in with a more open mind (most likely)....but what you're saying is true - it's easy to get them to come listen once...but they won't stick around if you suck. I just think that has nothing to do with whether or not this is your career.

[paulyb]

Yeah sorry about that rant - I was absolutely bolloxed! I stand by the "Glass Houses" metaphor though - I want it to come crashing down. I've never even listened to Dawn & Drew so Christ knows why I even bothered to get involved in this thread! Still, I'm here now - anyone want a fight?

[SteveRunner]

You and I will have to agree to disagree on some points, although on other points we're on the same page:

On D&D:

No, I'm not kidding. I heard that from a fairly reliable source.

I wouldn't want you to reveal your reliable source, but my question is: what your measure of success in PodCasting? Money? Number of subscribers? Both?

Um - do you know who you're talking to?

I mean you no disresepect, but I'm sorry: I'm not familiar with you.

I make a living doing my show on terrestrial radio.

I did as well for a bit over 11 years. I was CE of WBCN in Boston (CBS/Infinity) and WBZ (was Westinghouse at the time), WAAF and WEEI (Entercomm) as well as stations around the US (WCCO, K-Rock, WFAN, etc.) and world (Vatican Radio, 1ZB Auckland, Radio Geelong in Aussi, etc.)

I'm not listing this to make my argument more credible, but only to mention that I have some very worried friends in terrestrial radio who talk to me at length about their dwindling audience and commercial income.

I'm glad to hear (I suspect) that you're doing well yourself! That's great, but I can't help but look at the evidence that suggests that commercial terrestrial radio is suffering, now that viable choices exist.

Will terrestrial radio go away? Like you: I certainly hope the present content will dry up and be replaced with "podcast like" content, but the problem remains that the audience out there wants personalized content, not the universally generic "KISS-SportsTalk-NewsLeader-JACK-FM" crap that is shovled out upon the land.

I have about 10 runners who listen to my show: they are dedicated listeners who tell me they wouldn't miss an episode. I consider THAT success.

So, I agree with you that it's "the crappy programming we have to replace", but the only value I see in terrestrial radio is with the real time news, weather and sports scores...let's hope that podcasts like yours take over terrestrial radio!

Sorry for the long post. I've had the "content" conversation with too many of my "radio" friends, and they are too afraid to change anything...which, in my opinion is why radio is dead. They're losing money: LOTS of money, not to mention a huge number of their audience.

Those are the facts, but everything else is just my opinion (about the only thing I ever listen to on the radio anymore is the Red Sox).

- S

[EclecticMix]

Heck, I'm still trying to understand the attraction of D&D to so many, but to date that has eluded me.

I still listen to the radio because I don't know of any good classical podcasts.

Cheers -

george