Advertisements - Heather and Jonelle

[TheDork]

Can anyone tell me how you get a huge banner like Heather and Jonelle on Podcast Alley?

The Dork

[SFEley]

Can anyone tell me how you get a huge banner like Heather and Jonelle on Podcast Alley?
Have a major corporate backer and strike a deal with Podshow.

[ElNacho]

i beg to differ

be entirely written by a corporate big league company and strike a deal with podshow

[WyethDigital]

Yeah, I doubt that Heather and Jonelle are even their real names. They're meant to sound like and feel like amateurs, but the whole thing is nothing more than a cynical underground marketing move.

Eric

[NML-Simon]

be entirely written by a corporate big league company and strike a deal with podshow
Wow.. Just listened. That's pretty obvious isn't it. But good for those kids. I'm sure they can use the money they make for school.

[smcminn]

I'm not even sure that they're kids.

[crybabyemokids]

why dont all of you grow some balls and live with it.

just hating on heather and jonelle at every possible time isn't going to change things.

Whether they're real people or capitalistic robots, it doesn't matter. THEY obviously don't give two ****s what you think, and neither do I.

Ignore it, you're wasting your breath talking about them.

God****it.

Sorry to sound agressive or whatever, but man you guys seriously need to get lives.



Jay

[SFEley]

Ignore it, you're wasting your breath talking about them.
d*mn.
Sorry to sound agressive or whatever, but man you guys seriously need to get lives.

Right. Thank you for setting the example for us, Crybaby, by never complaining about anything trivial on these boards.

[Steve Pinder]

THEY obviously don't give two ****s what you think, and neither do I.

That's a fine example of a poopie mouth

Ignore it, you're wasting your breath talking about them.

d*mn.

What was wrong with this word?


Sorry to sound agressive or whatever, but man you guys seriously need to get lives.

Said the host of a show that caters to depressed teens who like their unhappy and wounded lives.

No offence Crybabyemokids, it just sound weird from you.


This is something that has been talked about for a while here. This is big bussiness selling to the mindless masses.
This is a case where the average network listener/viewer wont look for a real underground movement in which it's content will educate and entertain, because, the average network viewer/listener couldn't relate to it.
It has to be slapped in front of them by an ad so big, that Stevie Wonder can read it.

How many of that shows listeners would pay to see an independant film?

It's marketing, and if you guys and girls want to get quick returns on your work, then be just like them. But remember as fast as you move up, you go down.
People get bored with that stuff quickly, and the big bussinesses will be quick to throw something else up there to apease the mindless.

Some of the people in this thread have 10 times the content that that kind of "Clone Show" show has,....That's right "Clone" , because one will be just like the next. Remember, you can change the ad, name, and avitar, but it the same mindless stuff inside.


Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[spartacusroosevelt]

Everybody hates Heather and Jonelle, but a lot of actors take gigs they are unhappy with. This is just another recurring commercial gig, that probably is a lot of fun, because it involves a good degree of character based improv.

And remember as AC said

"It's an important show"

And it is. It shows the willingness of some companies to get down on their knees and service the red hot throbbing corporate member. Remember kids, when advertising money comes along, you better swallow every drop, or they won't ever use you like toilet paper again.

See no asterisks. Who says you need to swear to be expressive.

[smcminn]

Everybody hates Heather and Jonelle, but a lot of actors take gigs they are unhappy with. This is just another recurring commercial gig, that probably is a lot of fun, because it involves a good degree of character based improv.

And remember as AC said

"It's an important show"

And it is. It shows the willingness of some companies to get down on their knees and service the red hot throbbing corporate member. Remember kids, when advertising money comes along, you better swallow every drop, or they won't ever use you like toilet paper again.

See no asterisks. Who says you need to swear to be expressive.

Now that is more convincing.

[PCStalker]

It shows the willingness of some companies to get down on their knees and service the red hot throbbing corporate member. Remember kids, when advertising money comes along, you better swallow every drop, or they won't ever use you like toilet paper again.

Hey f*ckwad, you kiss your kids (http://www.colemanhouse.info/) with that mouth?

[crybabyemokids]

If this is about the commericialisation of podcasts or the 'selling out' of podcasts, you guys seriously need to realise that this was going to happen anyways.

It has happened with all other forms of media, and it will happen with this form too. Again, learn to live with it.


Most of us consider ourselves indie but fact is we love what we're doing. Sure we may never strike a six figure corporate sponsership, but as long as you know what you're doing is good, that's all that there is to it.

NOW if you want to make podcasting your career, that's a different story.
Then you can go crying to podshow or whoever with the 'ohh my show is so much better than this **** you sponser'. Maybe your show is better, I'm not denying it, but the thing is, it's their money. Let them invest it where they want to, and as one of you said, once podcasting goes out of fashion, they will find somewhere else to maximise profits.

I was a regular here some months back and I remember someone gave a couple ideas for indie podcasters to start their own 'non profit podshow' or something of that sort, I don't quite remember. If that's your cuppa tea go ahead do that, don't be bitching at the mainstream advertising companies using podcasting as a sales tool. It was going to happen one day or another, learn to live with it.


I've personally never listened to that show, and I probably never will. but it doesnt bother me that it's out there with its adverts everywhere. As long as I know that i've made a difference in whatever little show i produce, that is good enough for me.


And Steve, as an 'Indie' podcaster, just suppose, Acuvue were to approach you with 'oh steve your podcast is great let us sponser you'
would you?

because you were implying that the big guns never look at the 'potentially great podcasts' i want to know what you'd do.

If you accepted it, there'd be a thread ripping off your podcast, but if you don't, you've lost an oppertunity to make a quick buck.

It all boils down to ethics.


K rambled on for too long.
bye
Jay

[Steve Pinder]

It all boils down to ethics.

And a good example of ethics is trying to figure out a way to get more money from the children who listen to your show.


Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[crybabyemokids]

It all boils down to ethics.

And a good example of ethics is trying to figure out a way to get more money from the children who listen to your show.


Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

Steve, I'm freaking 17. Sure I want to make some money off podcasting, I'm not going to lie and pussyfoot around that fact that I'm doing it for the fun blah blah blah.

yeah it is fun, but if you CAN get a little cash, it's not bad.

And i'm not going all Ricky Gervais on these kids and making them pay compulsarily, I don't hold them on ransom. If they like the show, which happens to be free[oh yes i said it, free], and they want to show their appreciation with a little donation, what is wrong with that? They're also sending me CDs and letters and stuff, and it's really really flattering and cool at the same time.

The whole phone thing was just an alternative, but it got solved, I'll get them to mail it to me personally.


Whether youre 17 or 71, you're not going to turn down money someone's offering for your work.

I don't want to become a millionairre off my podcast, but a little spare change wouldn't hurt.

It's funny how that's the only thing you got out of my post, but ok.

[SFEley]

If this is about the commericialisation of podcasts or the 'selling out' of podcasts, you guys seriously need to realise that this was going to happen anyways.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but for me the only thing wrong with Acuvue's podcast is that it sucks, and the marketing for it is annoying. If you put something bad in front of the public and promote it badly it's going to be mocked.

So what's got you flying off the handle all of a sudden? This was a relatively calm, moderately cynical thread until you overwhelmed it with aggressive meta-cynicism. What's pissing you off here, and was your response really in proportion to the provocation?

[crybabyemokids]

It's not only this, there have been multiple threads about this show and everyone seems to be slagging them off.

maybe what you said is true, maybe the show sucks, maybe their marketing strategy sucks too, but by mocking it and wasting time over it, you're only encouraging more people to check it out/mock it.

For all i know this could be the worst ever podcast, but that doesn't justify people just randomly talking **** about it, all because it's 'one big advert'.

If it really pisses you off that much, DON'T LISTEN TO IT. IGNORE THE ADVERTS. Don't start making threads about it.

That's all, but if you guys want to continue with this go on, i've given my 2 cents[probably a bit more than that but ok]


Jay

[podcastrant.com]

crybaby you're missing the point. All of the screaming is not about the fact that they have a corporate sponsor, it's the fact that they are a show created by the sponsor. These would not be podcasting if they weren't hired by accuvue. Their ads were on the alley before they even had a show.

[Steve Pinder]

Whether youre 17 or 71, you're not going to turn down money someone's offering for your work

If money is what drives you, then go for it.
I would love to make more than what I am now.
I have a family to support.
I will accept what God gives to me.
Not that this is what you meant, but I want to make this clear. I wouldn't accept money from an unreputable source.

I own and run a Karate School here in Texas.
Because it is a non profit school, I get paid in the form of an offering each month.
Having someone send you money for doing your podcast is wonderful, but let me end with this.
The fact that we have a following, of sorts, of young minds, should ingrain some sort of responcibility on us to use caution with what we say or speak into their lives.
If we don't, then the only thing we serve IS MONEY.

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[spartacusroosevelt]

I don't think it is about commercialism in podcasting. I think the problem is that it barely pretends to be a real cast, while being treated like an "important show." Most of us I have a feeling would barely pay attention to it unless we had "LEGWARMERS????" and "OR ON YOUR BLACK LIST?????" staring at us every third page view. I know that PS is trying to work with Earthlink. I think it just needs to be a little like Paul Harvey's commercials, really allow the host to shine through with:

Fake Consumer from Kuala Limpor writes "Adam, Earthlink removes tumors with its barehands here. They are really great!!" Well that is great Fake, because earthlink..blah blah...spam....spyware.....

Earthlink has many possibilities, but I think acuvue is due a rethink on how to do this.

[Steve Pinder]

On a different note, who cares about a show created by sponsors. If you are that infuriated about them, dont download them. It's better than bad TV and the use of a channel selector or and off switch.

Jay,
I don't hate you or dislike you. You seem like a motivated 17 yr old, and that's a rare thing.

Let me give you my 2 cents of advice.

Before you engage in an argument, study the person you want to argue with for a little while. You will probably get your answer out of them before you open your mouth.
The best way to learn about someone is to listen.

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[crybabyemokids]

Steve, again, I'm not in it for the money.

I didn't make the podcast to get rich and run away laughing. I love what i'm doing, and more importantly, people love what I put out.

All I'm saying is, after they listen to the show, if they want to donate they can do so, I'd love to earn a little too off this, and I'm sure all of you would too [if you're not already].

And yeah to all the other posts, it doesn't matter whether it is a sponsered show [like all the podshow hating threads, oh how i love those], or a show that is just made as one big advert. If it bothers you, don't listen.

[Steve Pinder]

Did I miss something? Is that what this is about? Hating Podshow?
WOW.

I like Podshow stuff.
I listen to DSC and AC has played my stuff a couple of times.
He's given me good advice.
Wow, if that's the case, and everyone has a problem with them personally, and it's not just jelousy, then leave the forum.
Not for nothing, but when your in here leaving threads and getting good information to better your shows, you're using their service.
It's like being an invited guest for dinner, and when you've finished eating, you slap the face of the host and say THAT SUCKED!

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[mental-escher]

I don't think it is about commercialism in podcasting. I think the problem is that it barely pretends to be a real cast, while being treated like an "important show."

Face the facts boys and girls- the ones who control the media are the same ones who decide for you what is "important" and what is not through inclusion ('important') and omission (obviously not important! you 'latte sipping wingnut, liberal biased, homo abortionist').

So who controls the media- the frucking advertisers of course (or any other interest willing to put up enough $... say the right wing, large corporations, oil companies, republicants, FOX, CNN, etc.).

Note: Your concerted viral media propagation efforts can change help this paradigm!

BTW - PCA exists to make a buck... hence the adverts.

[Steve Pinder]

Someone needs a nap.


Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[ElNacho]

k crybaby, we dont have to listen to the show, but we can't ignore the adverts...they're there. and we can't ignore people who DO talk about them. or what they say.

[smcminn]

crybaby you're missing the point. All of the screaming is not about the fact that they have a corporate sponsor, it's the fact that they are a show created by the sponsor. These would not be podcasting if they weren't hired by accuvue. Their ads were on the alley before they even had a show.

Yes, that's kind of the reason why I posted to this thread, but

don't think it is about commercialism in podcasting. I think the problem is that it barely pretends to be a real cast, while being treated like an "important show." Most of us I have a feeling would barely pay attention to it unless we had "LEGWARMERS????" and "OR ON YOUR BLACK LIST?????" staring at us every third page view. I know that PS is trying to work with Earthlink. I think it just needs to be a little like Paul Harvey's commercials, really allow the host to shine through with:

Fake Consumer from Kuala Limpor writes "Adam, Earthlink removes tumors with its barehands here. They are really great!!" Well that is great Fake, because earthlink..blah blah...spam....spyware.....

Earthlink has many possibilities, but I think acuvue is due a rethink on how to do this.

That is more to the point. It's just a poor marketing job and it needs to be criticised. Like other commercials and informercials that try to be something they are not, I mock them. They are insulting to intelligence and they don't deserve any kind words.


I like Podshow stuff.

Same here. No all, such as poor marketing podcasts, or as much as other podcast communties, but most podshow stuff is okay.

'nuff said.

[kinkysex]

but we can't ignore the adverts...they're there.

http://www.getfirefox.com

:lol: 8) :lol: I have no idea what ads you people are yelling about. :lol: 8) :lol:

[WyethDigital]

but we can't ignore the adverts...they're there.

http://www.getfirefox.com

:lol: 8) :lol: I have no idea what ads you people are yelling about. :lol: 8) :lol:

I don't get pop-ups either, but they're not spazzing about spazzing about those. They're talking about the ads in the banner and the embedded ones after the first post on each page.

Eric

[spartacusroosevelt]

The Adblock Extension (http://adblock.mozdev.org/)

[WyethDigital]

Ahhhhh! I see! Maybe time to check out Firefox!

Eric

[PCStalker]

The Spartacus Roosevelt Podcast, a weekly hour of obscure noise, glitchy electropop, fake nostalgia, bastardized exotica, tweaky lounge, creepy ambient and musical non sequitors.

Feed: http://www.spartacusroosevelt.com/podcast/feed.xml

Now This is an annoying advertisement. All of you are advertising here on PCA.
Emo Kid, congrats on being 10x more mature than any of the bozos on this thread.

[Steve Pinder]

What do you say to that,.....
lol

[MAK]

Dangerous to have an opinion, but here goes...the same ad at the top of the page over and over-day after day is annoying and the text is insipid. Therefore, I am not tempted to listen to their show and I do my best to ignore the ad...that said, I would like to say this...

I have never before thought of commercialisim in podcasting. Until I read this thread. I listen to podcast to hear interesting people. I want to hear about what people are doing and feeling. That is what turned me on to podcasting and made me decide to start my own. I throw out ideas and maybe someday some one will respond and then we will have "communication." I love that word.

For some podcasters who experience success and need some financial help with bandwidth then I think looking for a bit of support is fine. But if you want a successful broadcast career, try radio. Podcasting is about people and not big corporations.

Marianne(up to nine downloads per day...whoo-hoo)

[crybabyemokids]

In reply to Nachos post.

Yes, get firefox and adblock and all that stuff, but even if it still hits your face as an advert, learn to ignore it. PCA is a free service, and as someone said, they too have to make some money.


You can ignore commercials on TV, 30 seconds spots on mainstream radio AND all the ads in newspapers/magazines, but just one advert on a website has got you so mad?

Now I know you're going to say 'oh but those other adverts are actually useful, these aren't'

Agreed, PCA is the wrong place to advertise for a show specifically for teenage girls, but if you have the money, who's stopping you.

and we can't ignore people who DO talk about them. or what they say.

Do i really need to answer this?

Just don't post about it? Now i know you're going 'oh but arent you contradicting yourself by saying this'. No. I'm doing this so that people stop bitching about this show and/or adverts.

And Marrianne,
Podcasting isn't JUST about people. There's a lot of information given out in podcasts, news and other stuff. It has become a medium of communication and any medium of communication is bound to in some way or another get influenced by the corporate giants.
Audio blogs are about people.

Also, I think a career as a podcaster has better potential than a career in radio. Radio limits yourself to that area, but with Podcasting, as a podacster you feel happy when you see that you got a hit from Norway or something like that, it's more vast. It's just that podcasting hasn't yet been considered 'mainstream'. Once it does, I'm pretty sure there would be a lot of money in there.

Most podcasts are recorded, editted, produced, scripted etc by the same person/group of persons AKA the podcaster. Coupled with the fact that with a small initial investment you can record a decent podcast from your own bedroom, the costs that have been cut are really large compared to mainstream radio. Hence you have way more chances of making more money as a podcaster versus radio.


Okay, long enough.
&& Man this has gone off topic.

Jay

[etomorrow]

The Spartacus Roosevelt Podcast, a weekly hour of obscure noise, glitchy electropop, fake nostalgia, bastardized exotica, tweaky lounge, creepy ambient and musical non sequitors.

Feed: http://www.spartacusroosevelt.com/podcast/feed.xml

Now This is an annoying advertisement. All of you are advertising here on PCA.
Emo Kid, congrats on being 10x more mature than any of the bozos on this thread.

oh i get it, you are a crybaby fanboy.

go somewhere else, the grownups are talking.

[ElNacho]

okay crybaby emo, im sure you're having fun arguing with yourself up there, but why dont u let me do the talking for me :?

[Steve Pinder]

Most podcasts are recorded, editted, produced, scripted etc by the same person/group of persons AKA the podcaster.

wow,...you're shows scripted?

wow,...By someone else?

That's um,....kind of lame.

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[crybabyemokids]

What I meant was the planning/show notes etc is all done by us.

Jeez it would be so much effort to script a one hour show :/

[ElNacho]

What I meant was the planning/show notes etc is all done by us.

Jeez it would be so much effort to script a one hour show :/
yeah, but if someone else scripted it, and then edited out yer screwups and stuff, thatd b frikin easy

[crybabyemokids]

What I meant was the planning/show notes etc is all done by us.

Jeez it would be so much effort to script a one hour show :/
yeah, but if someone else scripted it, and then edited out yer screwups and stuff, thatd b frikin easy

Sure it would, but it would cost a hell of a lot more, AND it would leave you [the podcaster] as nothing but a speaker.

Half the fun of podcasting is being in control of the material, and the other half is editting it out YOURSELF to your own liking.


I made this post colorful because I was bored and im gay