main stream media is confused with us

[Steve Pinder]

I think the whole reason we aren't getting more exposure in the main stream press is:

1. They need to be able to control it.
a. They don't have a control plan yet, so they don't want us to get to big.
b. They Might want to corner it and gain control through that door.
c. Music licensing is one of their ways to discourage us. Podsafe has better stuff anyway.

2. They are buying up the space on iTunes for ads and repurposing their shows.
a. This is a problem, only because the average person is used to "being told what to like and then like it" George Carlin
b. Why would someone listen to a show, with a person talking about a show on tv - NEWS FLASH "WATCH IT YOURSELF!!!!!


Just my rant for the day


Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[monkey_one]

interesting points sensei
I tend to agree with the fact that alot of people have to be told what to like or whats vogue isnt that funny but ehh what can you do give in to the boring umdrum talons of mediocrite (not the podcast) as it trys to dig it spears into your bloody dieing carcuss or do you spit into the tyrants face and laugh meniaclly at the fates cruel sense of humor and lifes leaves and darkness over takes your frail and naked body.
man I should have been emo....LOL

[Steve Pinder]

You sick an twisted frigin monkey. Lol. I love it.

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[monkey_one]

You sick an twisted frigin monkey. Lol. I love it.

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com
Thank You Sensei

[kinkysex]

I say it's because most podcasts aren't very good.

Now, I say this with a lot of love. I listen to a LOT of the podcasts on this forum and I love a lot of them. BUT, when I told my friends about podcasting they downloaded a few shows and happen to hit nothing but crap. I had to give them a list of indie-casts and beg them to try again. Now, of course, they love the medium.

The mainstream press listens to a couple of shows. If they don't hit high quality, compelling media, they dismiss the whole 'sphere. It's a classic, 'baby and the bathwater' scenario.

90% of anything is crap, I believe.

90% of music on the radio, shows on tv and don't get me started on the movies. But because we are new, the crap shows get just as much importance as the great ones.

We need podcasting's 'Milton Burle' - someone to give america a reason to buy an iPod. Once we have that, the crap shows will be more appropriately judged and the mainstream media will have one more element to it; us.

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As always, I reserve the right to be wrong. Very, very wrong.

[Barefoot Radio.com]

I want to chime in on this topic only because my perspective is a little different.

I think the podcasting community represents a huge talent pool. I think the interest the mainstream might have is fishing talented podcasters out of the mix to develop shows in the mainstream media.

As to speculation why mainstream media is confused, THEY ARE?? I got in the paper last week, and I see podcasting getting more and more mainstream. The article was a BIG writeup. What confusion is there?

I happen to agree that a small percent of podcasts are a REAL effort to make a show. At the expo I felt dizzy from every different Tom, Dick and Joe saying "my show, my show, my show."

A 10 dollar mic and a computer doth not make a show. It's not a production. It's simply an audio diary(and for fairness, some folks might make it very interesting, but it's not a show."

90% of everything mainstream sucking is too high a number. Mainstream media content isn't 90 percent bad. It's probably just the opposite because they have all the reasources to develop stuff.

Podcasting does not necessarily equal doing a show.

[smcminn]

Show or no show podcasting is a new way of conveying any kind of information, entertainment or education.


I think the whole reason we aren't getting more exposure in the main stream press is:

1. They need to be able to control it.
a. They don't have a control plan yet, so they don't want us to get to big.
b. They Might want to corner it and gain control through that door.
c. Music licensing is one of their ways to discourage us. Podsafe has better stuff anyway.

2. They are buying up the space on iTunes for ads and repurposing their
shows.
a. This is a problem, only because the average person is used to "being told what to like and then like it" George Carlin
b. Why would someone listen to a show, with a person talking about a show on tv - NEWS FLASH "WATCH IT YOURSELF!!!!!

Sensei makes a good point here. But the fact is, podcastig is a tool. Those with money or creativity or the will will exploit it.

As for people like to be told what is good. That's mainstream society in any culture, and that is why we have the underground societies (sub-cultures). Of course big boys like FOX will try to dominate this new tool, and that is what most people will follow. Because it is such a new tool , many people who do not understand it will only follow what is given to them.

I could go on, but it is past midnight and I just got home form a Kenny G concert I was ask to go to. My mind is a marshmellow now.

[tabulator32]

A 10 dollar mic and a computer doth not make a show. It's not a production. It's simply an audio diary(and for fairness, some folks might make it very interesting, but it's not a show."

90% of everything mainstream sucking is too high a number. Mainstream media content isn't 90 percent bad. It's probably just the opposite because they have all the reasources to develop stuff.

I would say there is absolutely no more than 5% of shows that even remotely interest me on television. That means, to me, at least 95% of it sucks.

Now, keeping in mind that there are shows and entire channels that are produced to specific demographics other than my own, that doesn't bother me. If someone somewhere is watching their shows and they are happy, so be it.

Having said that, podcasts will come and go and shows will fade and certain shows will perservere. One or two really big podcasts may actually end up on regular broadcast radio or television and there will be those that call them sell-outs and traitors.

Most shows will probably be content with whategver followings they have and keep podcasting for the fun of it until they get too busy or too bored.

A few will be the top (the REAL top) of the list and the test of time and popularity will make them end up being catered to by commercial interests and the "new frontier" of podcasting will be labeled as tainted by corporate monsters. A very few people will make a lot of money like this.

Whereever there are masses and crowds, entrepreneurs and then corporations will follow.

Sorry if this rambled.

A 10 dollar mic and a computer doth not make a show. It's not a production. It's simply an audio diary(and for fairness, some folks might make it very interesting, but it's not a show."

When it DOES become a production, it will called out for trying to adhere to the commercialistic standards of the regular broadcasting industry.

Its a double-edged sword.

(Edited to correct my spelling.)

[ElNacho]

in the forseeable future, directories will have to personally say no to mainstream casts to keep the mediium alive....

[monkey_one]

I want to chime in on this topic only because my perspective is a little different.

I think the podcasting community represents a huge talent pool. I think the interest the mainstream might have is fishing talented podcasters out of the mix to develop shows in the mainstream media.

As to speculation why mainstream media is confused, THEY ARE?? I got in the paper last week, and I see podcasting getting more and more mainstream. The article was a BIG writeup. What confusion is there?

I happen to agree that a small percent of podcasts are a REAL effort to make a show. At the expo I felt dizzy from every different Tom, Dick and Joe saying "my show, my show, my show."

A 10 dollar mic and a computer doth not make a show. It's not a production. It's simply an audio diary(and for fairness, some folks might make it very interesting, but it's not a show."

90% of everything mainstream sucking is too high a number. Mainstream media content isn't 90 percent bad. It's probably just the opposite because they have all the reasources to develop stuff.

Podcasting does not necessarily equal doing a show.

Dude I guess I will have to come to you to see if I quailify as "A Show" you seem to be the expert I dont really understand what you are saying anyway nor will I ever I guess mabey thats my problem .......clueless in cog neet toe
if I ever get that arogant someone send me a prescription of Zoloff and a f**n bong ......

[mongrel]

I think the mainstream media DOES understand podcasting, to a point. As a former reporter for a mainstream newspaper, I can shed some light on at least two parts of the subject:

Time and Space constraints.

A reporter is only allowed so much time to research and write about any given topic, and the his/her publication has only so much space it can give to any particular subject area. The number of businesses, organizations, school groups, individuals, etc., CLAMORING for press coverage is amazing. Everybody is a publicist nowadays.

I think many rank and file journalists (and DJs) are thrilled with the arrival of podcasting in much the same way that they caught on to text blogging. Sure, there are some in the industry that cried and whined that bloggers weren't "real reporters." But on the whole, I think many more ppl in the biz have their hands tied and are glad to see freedom of expression flourish somewhere.

We do need a Milton Burle or Jack Benny though--something so original and captivating that it's as popular as chocolate cake.

[Steve Pinder]

I have to dissagree with you on that.


Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[mongrel]

I have to dissagree with you on that.

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

Uhhhhh...which part of "that" do you disagree with? That there are many mainstream media people who welcome the addition of podcasting to the media universe? Or that any news outlet has only so much time and space to devote to the subject of podcasting? Or that podcasting could use a celebrity that competes with television for viewers/listeners?

I admit, there are exceptions to everything I suggest--I'm the king of over-generalization--but I'd like to know where you think I go astray.

[SFEley]

I think the whole reason we aren't getting more exposure in the main stream press is:
You're kidding, right? You seriously think podcasting isn't getting enough exposure in the mainstream press?

In 2005 there were major stories about podcasting in Newsweek, Time, *many* stories in Business Week, the Wall Street Journal, USA TODAY, the New York Times, local newspapers all over the place, local TV news all over the place -- and that's just the ones I can recall. Steve Jobs gave a major midyear presentation entirely to talk about podcasting. Network news shows are now pointing you to their podcasts.

This for a brand-new medium with just a few thousand serious practitioners and a regular audience of a few hundred thousand at the outside. When the press machine really started up on it in February or March of last year, there wasn't even that.

Podcasting was hyped by mainstream very heavily in 2005. I'm sure most of us wouldn't want to hear it, but it was probably overhyped.

So I don't think there's any need to look for conspiracy theories on why the media wants to ignore us. They don't want to ignore us -- they talk about podcasting all the time.

(Of course that doesn't mean they're talking about your podcast specifically, or mine. Perhaps that's your complaint?) >8->

[Steve Pinder]

I understand that the mainstream has talked about us, but they bauk at the idea of promoting it.
I was just in the Northeast this weekend recording a show. And I was amazed at how many people didn't even know what a podcast show was.
I'm talking about people that should know, dont know.
I'm sure I might have been off base a bit with this threads statement, but I'm baffled with peoples lack of ability to hit more than one button to arrive at a computer destination.
I guess this will be a slow process.
It's like the EASY button on commercials.

I thought iTunes made it easy enough for everyone.

As far as being upset about my shows success/ failure, It's doing well and we are contracted with Chuck Norris to broadcast from all his WCL events.

Also, we were featured in the Nov. Issue of TKD Times.

steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[SFEley]

When it DOES become a production, it will called out for trying to adhere to the commercialistic standards of the regular broadcasting industry.
Its a double-edged sword.

Called out by whom? Listeners? The press? Other podcasters of lower ambition? Unless this "calling out" was likely to lose audience or growth opportunities, I don't see how it matters. I'm with Barefoot Radio on this. Podcasting as a medium enables a wide range of quality, and that's one of its strengths; but deliberately keeping quality low is not a virtue.

I have never once heard a listener say, "Yeah, I tried to listen to that show, but the sound and production quality were too good. I just couldn't stand it."

[mental-escher]

Hmmm - the "mainstream" media (radio or television) does not draw much of any audience from "shows" consisting of audio (or video) diaries. Since much of podcasting consists of just this type of program, what do you expect? It's niche audience stuff (which is also one of the attractions of podcasts) .

If someone wanted to "make it big" with a podcast, audio diary ain't how to do it. You must be more creative and more compelling, and most of all, more (GASP) "mainstream" to get a large audience. But is that (mediocre generic "mainstream") really what you want??

[Steve Pinder]

Well Said SFElay

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[jeffoest]

I think the idea of time-shifted audio/video will be mainstream. I don't know if the delivery system via "XML" will be vehicle to bring it though. It's still way to difficult for many non-technical people to understand. You just turn on Radio and TV or hit a menu button on a Tivo.

So I believe podcasting will become mainstream but I don't think that any particular "podcast show" will. Ok - it's a gray area - in the future, what becomes a podcast and what becomes a mainstream show - I'll admit.

But the beauty of the podcast show is that it is cheap to deliver, cheap to receive, and for that reason can be VERY focused in a particular area such as hobbies, gaming, or whatever - because the low entry cost makes it independent of large revenue expectations.

I think when you start thinking about how podcasting shows can be "bigger" or more "far reaching", you start to think of it in terms of tradition media and traditional marketing...

IMHO, the power and impact of the podcast medium is in the sheer numbers of focused shows - creating content where there never was before - but not so much in any large "mega" shows that have general appeal.

We have those already.

When I think of the future of podcasting, I think of shows like MyMarilyn's podcast about everything Marilyn Monroe. The medium created that show where there wasn't anything like it before. And it's done out of passion and maybe some small revenue's to the creator. Podcasting does not require quitting the day-job. In fact, that's again why it's so great. We have media today that is created by people who do it for a living. And we've seen the result.

[SFEley]

I understand that the mainstream has talked about us, but they bauk at the idea of promoting it.

I was surprised a few weeks ago when I caught the end of some evening news show (I cannot remember which channel) and they said "Visit our PODCAST at..." and gave their Web site. That sounds like promoting podcasting to me.

I understand one of the characters in Peyton Place (is that the name of the show?) did a podcast on the show, which you can find in iTunes. That's not promoting podcasting?

Again, it's a brand-new medium. Just seeing the above is very impressive. If you're really keeping an eye on the media and you think they're deliberately suppressing the uptake of podcasting, I'd be very interested to hear your ideas on what specifically they should be doing.


I was just in the Northeast this weekend recording a show. And I was amazed at how many people didn't even know what a podcast show was.
I'm talking about people that should know, dont know.
Broadly speaking, podcasting as a simple distribution architecture is just over a year old. So's the name. If you'd gone to the same people in the year 2000 and asked them what "blogs" were, you'd probably be frustrated too. If you asked them what blogs were today, the answer would be very different.


I'm sure I might have been off base a bit with this threads statement, but I'm baffled with peoples lack of ability to hit more than one button to arrive at a computer destination.
First, if that's a problem, then the answer's easy: just make sure it's all one button. That solution exists today.

But I don't think that's the core problem. The core problem is convincing people that hitting any buttons is going to be worth their while. It's like going up to someone who's never read comic books and telling them "You have GOT to read Sandman!" Unless you have a deep trust relationship with that person, they're not likely to try something totally new just because one person asked them to. Resistance to a new thing wears down slowly for most people, and only as they start to hear about it from multiple trusted sources.


As far as being upset about my shows success/ failure, It's doing well and we are contracted with Chuck Norris to broadcast from all his WCL events.
Also, we were featured in the Nov. Issue of TKD Times.

Congratulations! Great job, and I hope you have the best of luck.

I didn't mean to imply that your show wasn't doing well, BTW. I just wasn't sure where you were coming from on the media interest perception. I know myself that it can be a little tough sometimes when you see the same few shows getting all the exposure.

(Me, I was contacted twice in the middle of last year, by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the Washington Post, but never got a quote or mention in either paper. Got a nice writeup in Asimov's this month, though, so my particular subject area is showing interest. That's probably even better.)

[mongrel]

...but I'm baffled with peoples lack of ability to hit more than one button to arrive at a computer destination.

Well, there I have to agree with you, Steve. Until someone develops a way for the masses to "flip channels" as easily as they can with their TV remotes...hey, maybe that's worth looking into...

And I do notice that a surprising number of people have never heard of podcasting (and I'm Boston, the tech-zone of the East Coast).

The thing that podcasters can do to make it mainstream without changing what we do too much is to be the antithesis of Cleer Channal--bring audio and video back down to street level. Low-power FM is NEVER going to be made readily available to local groups again, and now, who cares? I think geographically-based consortia could be the way to go to build up solid listener/viewer bases, sort of along the lines of the public radio model. Then, we mainstream ourselves without changing what we do AND provide an organizational framework to launch counter-efforts against any future attempts at unwelcome regulation (which are going to occur one of these days).

[tabulator32]

When it DOES become a production, it will called out for trying to adhere to the commercialistic standards of the regular broadcasting industry.
Its a double-edged sword.

Called out by whom? Listeners? The press? Other podcasters of lower ambition? Unless this "calling out" was likely to lose audience or growth opportunities, I don't see how it matters. I'm with Barefoot Radio on this. Podcasting as a medium enables a wide range of quality, and that's one of its strengths; but deliberately keeping quality low is not a virtue.

I have never once heard a listener say, "Yeah, I tried to listen to that show, but the sound and production quality were too good. I just couldn't stand it."

That's a good point.

[Steve Pinder]

When podcasting first started 16 months ago, no one heard of it.( of course )
But as soon as the mainstream heard of it, they re-purposed their shows and started a podcast. Immedietly they were on top, because of their ability and resources to advertise them.
They aren't going to help us, they will help promote themselves (why should they help us? )
They are used to stepping on competition ( that's us )
They are also used to telling people what to watch ( that's us also )
The news will tell a story here and there, and maybe give a little exposure, but nothing too big.

They do the same with the rest of the news ( they tell us what they want to tell us )

IMHO

Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[jeffoest]

They do the same with the rest of the news ( they tell us what they want to tell us )

Successful media company deliver what we want to to buy. Supply meets demand. It's not evil. It's not a conspiracy. And for the most part, it's fairly predictable behaviour.

[Steve Pinder]

I never said they were dumb.


And they are very predictable.


steve pinder
www.karatekast.com

[SFEley]

When podcasting first started 16 months ago, no one heard of it.( of course )
With you so far.

But as soon as the mainstream heard of it, they re-purposed their shows and started a podcast. Immedietly they were on top, because of their ability and resources to advertise them.
Who said they were on top? By what measure? Which "mainstream media" podcasts have listeners in the six-figure range like Daily Source Code and Dawn & Drew?


They aren't going to help us, they will help promote themselves (why should they help us? )
Which mainstream media podcasts have had more news coverage than Dawn & Drew, TWiT, or Rocketboom? (Okay, Ricky Gervais somewhat straddles the line.)

If mainstream media doesn't want to write about "us," why did the New York Times write a feature about Dan Klass of the Bitterest Pill? Why did Business Week declare IT Conversations their podcast of the year? These are things that already happened. Do you remember them happening?

Does a possible answer to "why should they help us?" begin to suggest itself?


They are used to stepping on competition ( that's us )
In what way? Who's been stepped on? Could you cite examples?

They are also used to telling people what to watch ( that's us also )
So why are all of the highest-rated video podcasts on iTunes independent: Tiki Bar TV, the French Maid podcast, Joe Cartoon, Ask a Ninja, Rocketboom, etc.? If mainstream media is "telling people what to watch" in podcasting -- is anyone listening?

The news will tell a story here and there, and maybe give a little exposure, but nothing too big.
Just how big is that chip on your shoulder?

Seriously, man. You sounding as if you're actively stretching for reasons to be pissed at the media. Podcasting isn't entitled to any coverage at all, just for being something we think is cool, but as a minor-yet-growing Internet phenomenon it was more than fairly treated in the news last year.

More the point, so what if they didn't? No matter what mass media says about podcasting or what they do to promote their own offerings, they're not competing for our niche. You and I both have specialized subject matter of a sort that Big Media just isn't interested in. There's no percentage in them doing a karate podcast, not with the sort of overhead they have -- but you can do one easily and make money at it. There's no reason why any SF publisher would buy science fiction stories and give them away for free -- but I can do it, and make money and grow.

No matter what they do, I can still get listeners. And so can you.

So what's your gripe?

[Steve Pinder]

I'm refering to iTunes when I say "On Top"

I dont have a chip at all, and I dont mind the media and their attempts at domination,....it's life here on earth....
It's kind of funny, because you are right about the coverage Dawn and Drew have gotten, and even Witchita.
If I have a gripe, it's with the News Industry itself.

steve pinder
www.karatekast.com

[Far From Subtle]

The main thing podcasters need to beware of is the mianstream and cororate media. Leo Laporte and I discussed the importance of never letting advertisers take control, and never sacrificing the niche market for larger viewership.

When we do this, we just become the melting pot that is pop-media, and no one wants that.

[smcminn]

I've been thinking more about this. This is just a thought:

The mainstream media is and will catch onto podcasting, but not as podcasters here are hoping, I think. The media is not largely interested in independant podcast shows (aside from the occassional feature story). No. Instead, what the media will catch on about is how podcating can be used as a tool. Then, they will be using it. And that may be how it will be defined to the "masses".

[paulyb]

stick a 30 second ad on the start and end of your podcast and you won't do it any harm. Uninterrupted content seems to be what everyone in the USA craves and I can put that down to the mainstream media you have. The BBC relies on a national (compulsory) conscription in the shape of a licence fee and the result is feature films without ad breaks, uninterrupted sports coverage and impartial news. They top and tail the shows with previews of other shows - pretty much what many podcasters in general do now.

I don't think we're far away from mainstream media at all and there is crossover - as I have previously mentioned, I am a DJ at my local radio station and make my (independent) podcast from there - a classic case of the two genres overlapping.

Punky! provides a service that "Punk & Disorderly" can't - mainly: the broadcast of music that is deemed unsuitable for terrestrial radio. Our podcast has far more listeners globally than my radio show locally yet they have both attracted interest and there are no shortage of bands wanting to be featured on both.

Kids will decide whether podcasting is successful or not because if they don't embrace it the whole medium will become the Betamax of the noughties and they'll move on to something else. If you need any proof, look at "Mugglecast". Teenagers like El Nacho probably have a better long-term future in the medium than any of us so-called Adults. They're also far more technically proficient than most of us.

Punky! came into podcasting relatively late by a lot of the people on here's standards and we only got interested because someone told us about podcasting - we'd never heard of it, but now we love it! Surely this will be the case with huge amounts of new listeners over the coming years. We didn't get colour tv in the UK until the 70s and now look at us!

(I still have no idea what tivo is, however...)

[paulyb]

If I were you I probably wouldn't bother reading all of that - stop going off on one, Paulyb!

[guscave]

The main thing podcasters need to beware of is the mianstream and cororate media. Leo Laporte and I discussed the importance of never letting advertisers take control, and never sacrificing the niche market for larger viewership.

When we do this, we just become the melting pot that is pop-media, and no one wants that.

I thought I heard on DSC that Leo was going to start accepting advertiser/sponsors on his show. I might have heard wrong, but

As far as advertisers taking control, we (podcasters)are the only ones that can determine or allow that. Advertisers know that a podcast is successful mainly because of it's content and how it's presented. If it works, why mess with it? After all that's why they'll consider working with you in the first place. Contrary to popular belief, not all advertisers are deaf, dumb,and blind.. :lol:

[SFEley]

I thought I heard on DSC that Leo was going to start accepting advertiser/sponsors on his show. I might have heard wrong, but
It's no longer confidential that TWiT is in Podtrac's initial list of podcasts they're attempting to sell advertising for. That doesn't mean anything solid by itself -- I'm on the same list. Whether my show or Leo's show actually runs ads as a result of this is yet to be determined.


As far as advertisers taking control, we (podcasters)are the only ones that can determine or allow that. Advertisers know that a podcast is successful mainly because of it's content and how it's presented. If it works, why mess with it? After all that's why they'll consider working with you in the first place. Contrary to popular belief, not all advertisers are deaf, dumb,and blind.. :lol:
Right. The critical thing is to maintain control over your advertising and how it's going to be integrated with your content. If an ad proposal conflicts with your vision for the show, you just don't do it. If you're good enough for one offer you can probably get more. And in the worst case you're no worse off than you were before.

This, by the way, is why I think it's very important to consider your partners carefully if you're considering any sort of ad service. Word is that major networks (http://www.podshow.com) are locking podcasters in long-term and asking them to give up major creative and distribution rights, RIAA-style. If you're considering going with such a service, take a look at some (http://www.kiptronic.com) of the (http://www.radiotail.com/) alternatives (http://www.podtrac.com) first and decide whose philosophy and approach you're most comfortable with.

[Steve Pinder]

Good advice. This was a big concern when getting involved with Chuck Norris, But I still have full control of my show.


Steve Pinder
www.karatekast.com

[tsidock]

Now, keeping in mind that there are shows and entire channels that are produced to specific demographics other than my own, that doesn't bother me. If someone somewhere is watching their shows and they are happy, so be it.

Having said that, podcasts will come and go and shows will fade and certain shows will perservere. One or two really big podcasts may actually end up on regular broadcast radio or television and there will be those that call them sell-outs and traitors.

Most shows will probably be content with whategver followings they have and keep podcasting for the fun of it until they get too busy or too bored.

A few will be the top (the REAL top) of the list and the test of time and popularity will make them end up being catered to by commercial interests and the "new frontier" of podcasting will be labeled as tainted by corporate monsters. A very few people will make a lot of money like this.

Whereever there are masses and crowds, entrepreneurs and then corporations will follow.



I agree with every word of this and could not have put it any better. And Nacho, I think there is truth in your comment about directories. But, in a similar vien to the abouve comments. it is niether right nor wrong to comingle the commercial and the indie casters. However, it may require a directory as central and popular as Podcast Alley to list only the indie podcasters.

Tom

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

If you bastards would do something worth listening to, the media would pay more attention.

You don't just get press because you do a show.

[monkey_one]

If you bastards would do something worth listening to, the media would pay more attention.

You don't just get press because you do a show.

Nice pic your hot :wink:

[SFEley]

If you bastards would do something worth listening to, the media would pay more attention.
Like insulting everyone you ever interact with! That's great for getting talked about.

(Lousy when you need somebody to help you move, though...)

[Steve Pinder]

I think my show is doing just fine. It's been featured in magazines. I have a contract that puts me on the road once a month for 10 months. I have listeners in 42 countries. And I like Monkeys show. It kicks *** and no ones written about him. Just because the media wont talk about a particular show, deosn't mean it sucks. It means that the media is consistantly following it's pattern of not knowing a good show from a fart. Although flatulence is something I laugh at.

steve pinder
www.karatekast.com