Anyone NOT able to make the convention?

[dhp]

The convention is a great idea, but for a medium that prides itself on democratization, it's cost prohibitive to attend. attending the convention is exactly what small podcasters need in terms of networking, discovering shows, and promoting themselves, but probably are unable to.

Is there a way that we could all work together to find a way to fund smaller shows as so that they could be able to attend the next con? It seems as though this should be a priority to podshow.

If one can afford to attend, then they probably have other means at their disposal to promote themselves. If we don't work towards this, we are destined to segregate ourselves, and therefor diminish our impact.

Thoughts?

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Not everyone with a podcast cares about the expo or this so called "community".


attending the convention is exactly what small podcasters need in terms of networking, discovering shows, and promoting themselves,

No - TALENT is what they need. Talent and determination. The convention is just a get-together for all of the people that only have internet friends. A bunch of shows who's listenership is made up of only their peers.

Not that thats bad or anything - but their are plenty of other routes. Podcasts are ****ing themselves. They are starting to only be concerned with one and other, instead of thinking about ACTUAL listeners - people who don't know or care what Nate and Di are up to, or that Derrick from Skepticality is in the hospital, or forum wars on PCA.

There is a whole world outside of the pod-geek bubble.

If you guys don't start tapping into that - you're never gonna grow.

Man, I really hate that podcasting was created. It really made things way to0 easy for the talentless. Adam Curry is an idiot.

[jeffoest]

A large part of the folks that will be networking at the show are podcasters. There are very few listeners. So, yea - there are networking opportunities between podcasters and producers available but many people are going out just to meet folks that they already met virtually throughout the year.

In other words, there are a lot of networking opps in the land of the web available to you year round. You just have to 'work the room'!

RBR. Your marketing 'schtick' is obviously to be a contrarian (you've mentioned before that marketing is the only reason you contribute to this forum). That's ok, it's transparent, but ok. However, at this point you've become so predictable about it that you're growing more invisible every week - sort of like spam... people will just skip over you...

[dhp]

Hahaha...*sigh* - coming from a silly little show like Red Bar Radio, I'll take your funny comments as a compliment. Really? There's other ways of promotion? Over the Interweb? No ****? What an insight!

I was attempting to provoke an interesting discussion between shows that would like to work together or surmount this issue.

The Creepy Sleepy Show mocks your pathetic attempts to be an arsehole! Ha!

I repeat: anyone have any THOUGHTS?

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

Thats fine - I don't need to be heard, just present.

We're doing just fine.

Can't say I can just go away though - we have definitely noticed a boost from podcastalley - just by posting ANYTHING in the forums.

I would be nicer here, but I just can't pretend to like/accept the B.S. that is spewed by almost everyone who posts.

I guess the many people that ghost these forums have checked out our show. So it's worth it to post a few posts a week here. It doesn't really matter if registered users reply to my posts or even read them.

So - I have to post something. Get it? And since our show is "mean spirited", it only makes sense that our posts do as well. Thats what we do.

Many people enjoy it. A lot more than hate it actually. So remember, YOU guys are the minority.

I mean, This and That - you guys do your thing, and the numbers just aren't there. They're not. We know your numbers, they're extremely low. So at this point, your opinion isn't backed up by many.

You guys are all so new to this game. You have a lot of learning to do.

So - if you wanna talk about "transparent", lets talk about your listenership. My "schtick" is obviously working better than whatever schtick you guys are using.

Bottom line - I dont wanna fight with you. I think you have one of the more semi-decent casts. (that still doesn't mean much). Thanks for your opinion.

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

The Creepy Sleepy Show mocks your pathetic attempts to be an arsehole! Ha!

What is the creepy sleepy show? Explain more. Where did they mock me? I'm listening to their show now. They're terrible.

When one of the "good" shows out there tells me that my show isn't good, then I'll take a listen. Until then, it's like taking health tips from an obese woman.

Thanks,

MIKE

oh - and you should be able to afford to travel and go to the expo without "help". If not, get a job. Aren't you a grown up?

[tipsychicks]

red bar trashed my friend, so i hate them...but the dude did make me laugh with the get a job comment. even darlisha is laughing and she comes from the ghetto. i mean, i may be sheltered but how hard is it to scrounge up some money to go to cali? i mean, yeah, for me it would be pretty expensive, but that's because i have to stay at a 5-star hotel, rent a convertible, and eat at the finest restaurants. not to mention the clothes shopping and art collecting i would do while out there. but for you, just skip all that. there has to be a motel 6 around there somewhere.

we all invest money in our hobbies.

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

Erica - You're a cool chick. I like your new avatar icon. Cute.

See - I said something nice!

I can do it!

[bazookajoeshow]

I had every intention to go to the convention but I'm heading to Boston next week and I simply couldn't afford to do both :cry:

Speaking of which, hit me with an email at smallworldpodcast@gmail.com if any of my fellow home girls or boys want to meet up while I'm boston.

Bazooka Joe

[deadwhiteguy]

It sounds like it would be fun to go, but some of us live far away and have jobs. So travelling international is not really feasible.

Ah well, maybe we should have an aussie podcast meet up.

Jason

[deadwhiteguy]

Het Red Bar, What makes a good podcast ?

Do I ? Or am I too hibrow for you ?

Jason

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

Het Red Bar, What makes a good podcast ?
Production Value + Talent.

It really depends who you are targeting though. I don't believe really in the abolishment of all podcasts, just in segregation of them.

If something is an "audio blog", label it that. If something is "instructional audio", label it that. If something is a "show", label it that - and so on.

I guess in the long run it doesn't matter though. It all comes down to how many people listen. But most importantly, WHY they are listening. A lot of casts can quickly become popular because people NEED the information vs. WANT to listen just out of pure enjoyment.

I mean, more people probably read instruction booklets from products then read award winning novels. That doesn't mean that instructional booklets are "better".

Hopefully you "get" what I'm trying to say. Should TwIT be ranked along side with Keith and the Girl? I dunno.....

Bottom line: Podcasting should not be a right, it should be a privilege. I wish prices were still too high for the average person to do this. It really is hurting the market. Well, "flooding" and confusing it really.

[notyourusualbollocks]

Not that thats bad or anything - but their are plenty of other routes. Podcasts are d*mn themselves. They are starting to only be concerned with one and other, instead of thinking about ACTUAL listeners - people who don't know or care what Nate and Di are up to, or that Derrick from Skepticality is in the hospital, or forum wars on PCA.

This is SO on the money. I couldn't agree more. It's become a very self-infatuated community. That's one reason I'm a bit turned off by the conventions. I'd rather save the money to organise a big fat party for my listeners instead.

MK

[tipsychicks]

Het Red Bar, What makes a good podcast ?
Production Value + Talent.

well, i just did a cast last night, and i will tell you it definitely lacks the first. quite frankly, i need help. talk, tell me how to achieve perfect sound. i don't mind throwing money at the problem.

Bottom line: Podcasting should not be a right, it should be a privilege. I wish prices were still too high for the average person to do this. It really is hurting the market. Well, "flooding" and confusing it really.

this is not true. it does not have to be a privilege. why does it matter to you if there are crappy casts (ie, tipsy chicks)? if you are super good, you will win the race. but without the race, what fun is it anyway? if everyone was as good as you, talk, what fun would it be to come to these boards and act arrogant? no fun at all. you would not be able to run around with that blissful feeling of superiority.

now give me advice on my audio.

[audiocollective]

Het Red Bar, What makes a good podcast ?
If something is an "audio blog", label it that. If something is "instructional audio", label it that. If something is a "show", label it that - and so on.


If something is on the "radio" label it that. If it is using RSS with enclosures then call it a "podcast".


Production Value + Talent.
Well, what about content? You can have the best production value in the world, the greatest personality and nothing to say.

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

Content really comes third though. Personality is foremost. If the host is charismatic enough, it doesn't matter what he/she is talking about.

Audio quality is the first thing people notice. If it sounds amateur, they will assume it is, and carry that in the back of their minds throughout the first listen.

You can have the most unbelievable content in the world, but if you can't deliver it well, it means nothing. People tune in for the personalities - we can get content anywhere - it's what you do with it that makes it or breaks it.

I regards to audio quality - I spent many years with trial and error getting to learn the equipment. When our show started, we didn't have forums to help us. There was no "book" that explained everything. No websites to help us out. No community with all the answers.

Everything is handed to you guys now and you still cant get it right. You can even go to your local guitar center and buy a podcast starter kit. (lame).

Point being - to be good at this, you need to put in the time and effort. Do it yourselves. Practice, put in your hours - pay your dues. Don't take easy routes. Don't use "podcasting for dummy books".

Talk to professionals, not people who just started as soon as podcasting came about. It's really all about the basics. The only thing new is the technology of delivering your product.

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

Het Red Bar, What makes a good podcast ?
If something is an "audio blog", label it that. If something is "instructional audio", label it that. If something is a "show", label it that - and so on.


If something is on the "radio" label it that. If it is using RSS with enclosures then call it a "podcast".


Audiocollective: Please don't take my quotes out of context. You know very well that wasn't my response to his question.

[audiocollective]

Is there a way that we could all work together to find a way to fund smaller shows as so that they could be able to attend the next con?

Many people are setting up their own groups to share ideas and stuff. There may even be on in your area http://www.meetup.com/

[dcolanduno]

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[dhp]

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Hi everyone! I have a minute or two sitting at my sitting ot my kat my loney Mac. Seems like have not seen everyone in forever. I have to thank Swoopy for my blog updotes A lot stuff passes by me anymore, I don't suggest giving your doctor reason to send you in to the hospital for a couple days this is NOT the vacation the promised when to are winning the big prize on Jeaporady. :)

I was SUPPOSED to be at the con, I have wonderful updavtes some really cool mp3 recordings from of all of you. I am amazed at the reponse from everyone! I might have compile to some some the mp3s from some from all of you all so you can listen to the amazing folks we have in this community.

Hey, nice to have you back and feeling better.

"Many people are setting up their own groups to share ideas and stuff. There may even be on in your area http://www.meetup.com/"

Thanks - I appreciate this. Being broke broke, working a day job and completing degree number three were fairly prohibitive to attending the con. I do, however, like the idea. Anyone who's attended professional conventions knows that they are useful tools. I've done radio for seven years (which explains both the day job and the poorness - lol), and have gained much from attending CMJ and the NAB.

Regarding the little Red Bar debate, I would argue the content is king. Always. Production values, personalities, et al are are a part of ones content. A good example can be found in Aristotle's 'Poetics' where he discusses what makes good theatre. There are seven qualities that are relevant today in terms of making something of Quality.

Radio, which Podcasting emulates but does not imitate, has a fairly defined structure that utilizes the hot clock. That structure is at times helpful, because there are some rules that one follows. The better you either follow those rules, or break them creatively, the better your ratings will be.

Podcasting does not necessarily follow the same guidelines in terms of structure, but there are some things that seem to work better.

At this point - and the definition will change as the inherent differences between podcasts begin to segregate themselves - I would say a Quality show is one that clearly articulates its message to the desired audience. Message, delivery, and audiences will all vary between shows, of course, but the core principal of articulating a message will remain.

What I like about podcasting, is that unlike radio, there is not the pressure for ratings at the expense of creativity. I enjoy critiquing our show, adjusting it and adapting it. I like understanding both our flaws and our audience.

Just my two cents

[deadwhiteguy]

Content really comes third though. Personality is foremost. If the host is charismatic enough, it doesn't matter what he/she is talking about.

Audio quality is the first thing people notice. If it sounds amateur, they will assume it is, and carry that in the back of their minds throughout the first listen.

So do you listen to other podcasts ? Want to offer some pointers ?

I'm certianly always up for critical feedback.

Incidentally it does rather disappoint me as well some of the sorts of shows that are really popular. I mean it is fine that they are, but a lot of it seems lowest common denominator.

Jason

[mpeacock]

Incidentally it does rather disappoint me as well some of the sorts of shows that are really popular. I mean it is fine that they are, but a lot of it seems lowest common denominator.

The nice thing about podcasting, just like blogging, is that the quality of the audience matters as much, if not more, than the size of the audience -- especially when thinking about monetizing your podcast. Having a well-defined, tough-to-find demographic is often more attractive than just raw numbers. While there are loads of "a guy and girl talking dirty" or "three guys drinking beer and talking dirty" podcasts with decent-sized subscriber numbers, it's the guys at Grape Radio -- a well-defined topic with a high-end demographic -- who are doing some of the best work at monetization.

As with most things in life, success is about quality, content, and hard work.

[deadwhiteguy]

Incidentally it does rather disappoint me as well some of the sorts of shows that are really popular. I mean it is fine that they are, but a lot of it seems lowest common denominator.

The nice thing about podcasting, just like blogging, is that the quality of the audience matters as much, if not more, than the size of the audience -- especially when thinking about monetizing your podcast. Having a well-defined, tough-to-find demographic is often more attractive than just raw numbers. While there are loads of "a guy and girl talking dirty" or "three guys drinking beer and talking dirty" podcasts with decent-sized subscriber numbers, it's the guys at Grape Radio -- a well-defined topic with a high-end demographic -- who are doing some of the best work at monetization.

As with most things in life, success is about quality, content, and hard work.
Probably. Ah well, now if I can just find some more people to listen to my show.

Maybe if I added the word boobs in subliminally to all the tracks.

Its kind of sad though. I guess it is a bit like the internet. Smut sells.

Jason

[trannywreck]

I regards to audio quality - I spent many years with trial and error getting to learn the equipment. When our show started, we didn't have forums to help us. There was no "book" that explained everything. No websites to help us out. No community with all the answers.

Everything is handed to you guys now and you still cant get it right. You can even go to your local guitar center and buy a podcast starter kit. (lame).

Point being - to be good at this, you need to put in the time and effort. Do it yourselves. Practice, put in your hours - pay your dues. Don't take easy routes. Don't use "podcasting for dummy books".

Talk to professionals, not people who just started as soon as podcasting came about. It's really all about the basics. The only thing new is the technology of delivering your product.

Good for you for having so much more experience than everybody else. I'll see if I can find you a cookie somewhere. A rookie like myself certainly doesn't deserve to have a podcast. Let me use my time machine so I can go back and do it "the hard way."

I'll have to side with Adam Curry on this one. Passion is the most important thing. If you are passionate, then you will put alot of time and effort into your shows. For worthless rookies like myself, it means every show needs to be better than the last one.

[TALK RADIO SHOW]

So do you listen to other podcasts ? Want to offer some pointers ?

I haven't found any other podcasts like I like, no. I listen to FREE TALK LIVE, but they are more of a radio show, then a "podcast".

I really don't think there are any good ones out there yet. If you know of any that don't sound amateur or "underground", please let me know. I like well-polished, more mainstream-sounding shows.

Also to me, it's really important that the show doesn't just spend their time talking about other podcasts, the podcast world, or podcast technologies.

[docsnavely]

Also to me, it's really important that the show doesn't just spend their time talking about other podcasts, the podcast world, or podcast technologies.

from a basic listener perspective, this is a great observation.....

topics like this in shows should stay strictly to tech/podcast shows..... comedy shows that talk about podcasting can get old quick.....

if i were to talk about podcasting topics, i would loose over 1/2 of my puny subscriber base instantly!

nice quote!

[podcastrant.com]

****, no wonder Church of Pod didn't take off like I thought it would.

*tongue planted blah blah blah*

[Steve Pinder]

It's like having a rock band that only other musicians will go see. It becomes useless.

Steve
www.karatekast.com

[SPThom]

If you know of any that don't sound amateur or "underground", please let me know. I like well-polished, more mainstream-sounding shows.
I'd like to think ours is the latter more so than the former.

* Our audio quality is, IMO, among the top third of podcasts I've listened to.
* We're semi-enjoyable. We're total dorks, but we really enjoy our casts and I think the rapport translates to listeners.
* We know what we're talking about.

We don't have any snazzy bumpers or "whoosh pow" sound effects... We stay rather minimalist in that respect, but I don't think that speaks poorly of our professionalism.

Take a listen. Feel free to disagree... After all, I'm obviously biased. :P

[Steve Pinder]

I have a background in live engineering and in small studios. I try to create the best sound I can. The mics I use for my Iriver cost a bundle, but no one seems to be able to drive a mic like me. I have a very loud voice naturally, and I spend more time trying to equal the two together. Take a listen and give me your opinion.
www.karatekast.com

[pwfenton]

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Hi everyone! I have a miniute or two sitting at my sitting ot my kat my loney Mac. Seems like have not seen everyone in forever. I have to thank Swoopy for my blog updotes A lot stuff passes by me anymore, I don't suggest giving your doctor reason to send you in to the hospital for a couple days this is NOT the vacation the promised when to are winning the big prize on Jeaporady. :)

I was SUPPOSED to be at the con, I have wonderful updavtes some really cool mp3 recordings from of all of you. I am amazed at the reponse from everyone! I might have compile to some some the mp3s from some from all of you all so you can listen to the amazing folks we have in this community.

DAYUM!!! Welcome back my brother. This is the thread... not anything about sound quality. I mean... I'm all for sound quality... but LOOK... Derek is back... praise be to Gosh! I LOVE this man.

[paulyb]

So do you listen to other podcasts ? Want to offer some pointers ?

I haven't found any other podcasts like I like, no. I listen to FREE TALK LIVE, but they are more of a radio show, then a "podcast".

I really don't think there are any good ones out there yet. If you know of any that don't sound amateur or "underground", please let me know. I like well-polished, more mainstream-sounding shows.

Also to me, it's really important that the show doesn't just spend their time talking about other podcasts, the podcast world, or podcast technologies.

I love talkradioshow. Legging around forums playing Devils Advocate is a hobby I also enjoy greatly.

As for talking about other podcasts - we're more than happy to do it because we're hearing them all for the first time, like when there's a great new show (Or a **** one) on telly - it's no different.

Oh by the way mate we're definitely LCD but we ARE a radio show in podcast form and are primarily about the music (Which is also radio-unfriendly and LCD!)

The only reason you haven't found a podcast you like yet is because you haven't listened to ours (!) but don't worry - we haven't listened to yours either...

...yet.

...And as for what this thread was about, if I hear of a UK podcast expo I'll be straight there if I can make it...

[jawbone]

HOLY MACKERAL! How did I miss Derek's return! :D

Welcome back!

[Craig]

Hi everyone!
Derek! Welcome home! I talked with Swoopy at the expo and she said you had been "released" but I didn't realize you were back online already. Very cool!

Craig

[feastoffools]

The best thing anyone can do is to look outside of the "podworld" to develop and grow and audience. Ask not what your audience can do for you, ask what you can do for your audience! Stop complaining about how nobody's listening and start doing something you and others give a **** about.

Who is this fabulous Red Bar Radio man? I think I'm in love...

Talk to professionals, not people who just started as soon as podcasting came about. It's really all about the basics. The only thing new is the technology of delivering your product.

[Craig]

The best thing anyone can do is to look outside of the "podworld" to develop and grow and audience.
Excellent point.

Craig

[swoopy]

Hi everyone!
Derek! Welcome home! I talked with Swoopy at the expo and she said you had been "released" but I didn't realize you were back online already. Very cool!

Craig

Guess what..neither did I. When he snuck in the office and did that...I have no clue.

Gob Smacked.

-Swoopy

[tabulator32]

I think I've learned more about podcasting reading these forums in the last three days than I have in the past month trying to develop some semblance of a show. I still have a lot of work to do on figuring out a better format and such but these forums are wreaking with good info.

Thanks all you experienced podcast producer types!

8)

[yaz]

good to hear he's sneaking around...