Goodbye PCA from a REAL Concerned Listener

[BSquared]

The "to ban or not to ban" threads almost succeeded in sending me from PCA, and the "Podshow/Adam Curry is ruining everything" whines added another coupla nails in the coffin...but the "Is Nobody Like Onions Cheating" thread is the proverbial straw breaking this camel's back.

If those of you who are podcast hosts are hoping that people will discover podcasting and/or your show from Podcast Alley I think you're going to be seriously disappointed. These days, any unsuspecting new listner who has the misfortune to stumble in to these forums is highly likely to deduce that podcasting is a nerd hobby undertaken by ego-driven twerps who haven't matured beyond name-calling and saying **** to get a reaction.

I have been listening to podcasts since January. But if I hadn't started back then, and had come across the Alley today instead of 10 months ago, I would take one look and take a hike.

As a consumer of podcasts (a true consumer too...I only listen... I don't have any secret desire to actually be a podcaster...) I gotta tell you a coupla things before I head off to the Pickle for good (and no I'm not expecting those of you who I'm actually thinking about to get this but I have a need to get it off my chest)...

One We don't give a **** if you're in podshow or not...that's not how most of us are finding shows to listen to...stop whining about the fact that you've not been annointed by Adam Curry and get on with making your own show the best it can be...we'll find you and we'll listen

Two One of the main reasons we consumers like podcasting is that we like to find personalities we like (which we can't do with commercial radio 'cos they are all clones)....so we base some of our decisions on whether or not to listen to your show on your posts in podcasting forums...yeah that's right...if you behave like a 12 year old in the forums we're not gonna bother listening to your show

Three There are 10,000+ shows out there. If you piss us off even a little bit we will go somewhere else faster than you can whine "adam curry stole all my listeners". On the other hand, if you don't piss us off we will listen to each and every show, vote whenever and wherever we can and tell all our friends about you (at this stage we are all early adopters and any marketing expert will tell you that early adopters are the best people to get on side as their word of mouth is worth more than most other forms of advertising).

Four None of the voting/favourites regimes on any of the podcast directories is infallible. Get over it. If someone "cheats" get over that or work out how they did it and cheat better yourself. Stop whining about it.

Five Stop whining. Just stop it already. Nobody likes a whiner in real life and whining in cyberspace isn't any more interesting. Trust me. I've got a pretty eclectic list of favourite shows but the one thing they all have in common is that the hosts just do their thing...they play music or discuss issues or tell stories...what they don't do is whine about podshow / adam curry / cheating on votes / how someone was mean to you

I'm off to Podcast Pickle....it's fun over there and almost all my favourite shows are listed and my favourite hosts are hanging out there...and no one is whining about things they can't change

hi ho hi ho it's off to pickle I go

[ibacon]

It's the same childish B.S. at Podcast Pickle. Don't bother. Stick with the big boys. Human nature having mutated into what it is, there is little hope of avoiding whining, childish, narcissistic, asinine behavior no matter where you go. Simply let the dim-wittedness serve as another indicator. There's a tremendous lot of worthless tripe to have to filter through to find the very rare gem of a podcast. Take advantage of every filtering mechanism you can!

[Concerned Listener]

Hey B Squared -

Do us all a favor and find a podcast site over in Australia to go to. Maybe over there you can find a podcast that doesn't bitch about things. Over here however, we argue, we speak up, we question.

You may mistake this for whining,but in America, thats how we debate. Thats how we solve problems. Thats how we learn.

Why should we all have to shut up and keep to ourselves? We shouldn't say something when we find a problem in our lives?

Don't speak like you represent "all of the listeners". First of all, you live in Australia - so you don't even have a clue on what American listeners like. It's a different culture over here. I don't go out and listen to Podcasts from "Down Under" ok.

So do what you do best: send us your actors, drink a foster, wrestle alligators, and shut the **** up.

And remember, now you're the one who's "whining".

Do me a favor - go put YOURSELF on "the barbie".

[deadwhiteguy]

drink a foster
On an unrelated note.

Nobody in australia actually drinks fosters. It is often even difficult to find in bottle shops.

Jason

[Big Mike]

They don't drive V8 Interceptors either....or they might. But none of them are named Humongous! :oops:

[Concerned Listener]

Big Mike must be the most laid back guy. He always sums things up so quickly - usually confusing the geeks.

[BSquared]

Concerned Listener wrote First of all, you live in Australia - so you don't even have a clue on what American listeners like. It's a different culture over here. I don't go out and listen to Podcasts from "Down Under" ok.

So do what you do best: send us your actors, drink a foster, wrestle alligators, and shut the **** up.

I'm prepared to claim outright that I have a much better understanding of your culture than you do of mine. For one thing, I have relatives who live in the US, I have travelled widely in the US (probably more than you have) and in fact lived in the US for a year or so myself. For another thing I can rebut your rant with ease (and a degree of aplomb)...

They're not our actors (well Russell Crowe is from New Zealand and Mel Gibson was born in the US...Nicole is ours though but you're entirely welcome to her).

It's called Fosters and no one here has drunk it since 1979. We export all our crappiest alcohol to the US for exhorbitant profit and laugh about it amongst ourselves while drinking the good stuff.

We wrestle crocodiles not alligators (I'm going outside soon for an invigorating wrestle before dinner). There are no native alligators in Aus (although Steve Irwin does have a few at his zoo which he imported from the US...he however is a moron and unrepresentative of my people...that is why we exported him to the US along with the Fosters)

I choose not to shut the **** up just yet.

The fact that you seem to be proud of not listening to podcasts from down under makes me sad. For you. There's a whole entire world outside your borders and if you showed even a modicum of interest in something beyond your sphere of reference maybe (just maybe) you wouldn't come across as such an ignorant person.

Then again maybe not.

I suggest you look up xenophobia in a dictionary.

[unknownsoldier]

Concerned Listener wrote [quote]
I suggest you look up xenophobia in a dictionary.

Please explain?!

:P An Australian joke for all the podcasters out there who are fans of the liberal party.

Replying to the original person who was bagging Australia. bsquared being uptight has nothing to do with Australia. Some people are just jerkoffs. Australian culture is pretty much the same as American. if you want to here whinging and wining from Australians, have a look at aussie forums like www.whirlpool.net.au - lots and lots of wining. We discuss we debate. While your hatred of bSquared seems to be well placed, there are 20 million of us in Australia, not every one of them should be painted with the same steve irwin colored brush.

[Concerned Listener]

Hahahahaha -

GUYS - I was JUST JOKING AROUND!

Come on guys -

[BSquared]

I like your new avatar Concerned Listener.

It's good to have a skill.

And so much time on your hands.

[BSquared]

Oh...now I'm offended you changed it so quickly.

Still...the time on your hands thing is proving handy

[Wintersheart]

G'day,

Concerned Listener your a dick enough said, and yeah another AUSTRALIAN podcaster!

BSquared loved your retort good onya mate!
-Winters

[richpav]

May I suggest you line us up and give us a spanking?

...and can I be first?

[obtuseangle]

One of my biggest gripes about forums in general is when discussion gets off topic, as demonstrated here. Usually it happens when the originator makes some irrefutable points, as I think you’ve done BSquared. Sad, however, is the fact that some of the most caustic and juvenile personalities seem to attract the most listeners (purely anecdotal).

Right now I’m spending most of my (limited) forum time at the Pickle, and I would disagree with whomever said it was the same old-same old over there. Perhaps it will be soon, as more of us migrate, but for now it’s much more civil and “community-like” in my opinion.

Finally, BSquared – I’m proud of very few things, but one of them is that I’ve never EVER mentioned PCA on my show, and I rarely talk about podcasting itself. Furthermore, I consider Australians to be some of my most loyal listeners, so I’d invite you to give it a try.

Steve
The Obtuse Angle
http://stevedupont.com

[coreytronic]

In defense of Australia, we get a good deal of feedback from OZ and our Aussie fans seem like great people. Even if they all play cricket and enjoy Wallaby on thier pizza.

[kickasspodcast]

I don't blame ya BSquared.

But realize that all popular message boards on the net
are really pretty insane. The most popular sites are
even more insane. The best forums on the net
have basically no rules and make things a free for all.

Yet, millions of people still post, 10's of 1000's of people
on at once.

The internet is crazy, this has been true since long before
podcasting, long before PCA.

PCA like all message boards is lucky to have anyone use
the site it all. There is nothing anyone gains from PCA other
than curious people clicking on your link or whatever. There
really is no way to tell how many of those people will listen.
If you don't like this place, I don't blame ya. But I would caution you to
some extent to not judge people's show on how they post.

Everybody looks at message boards differently. There is
no universal opinion of how they should be utilized of abused.

Some people think its like street ball, throw elbows, talk smack,
earn respect by calling people out, going round and round, and
bringing your game.

Others view it as a gathering place where highly enlightened
conversation can develop and people can meet new friends and
learn from others.

Even another way to look at forums is on a pure advertising basis.
Do anything at all to get people to come to your site.

Another view is seeing the boards as a place to unleash your pure
anger and malcontent on those who you truly believe to be a-holes
or liars, or partisan wackos, or religious fanatics or whatever.

Yet another way that people choose to use the boards is to try and
offend as many people as possible, I never really understood this one,
but it probably goes back to the whole marketing/publicity thing.


MY point is relatively basic. Different people will use message boards
for different reasons. Most people also have more than one reason
or game plan when dealing with the forums.

Any website, message board, video game server etc.. is purely at
the mercy of their users. Period. User will always be the final
deciding factor on what is and what is not ok. I have seen several people
leave these message boards, I have seen lotsa new people come into
the boards. I have a feeling that is normal.

On a last note, what is your fascination with Curry and Podshow? It seems
to really bother you that alot of people hate the "sell out" commercialization and corporate tag teaming that is Podshow Inc. Does it suprise you that a buncha indie/amature casters aren't really keen on people who obviously only do it for the money?

I seriously cannot blame you, I encourage you to vote with your mouse and go where you feel most comfortable, the Pickle sure is that place. But i think that it is that place because of the users who agree to treat it respect because of all that the Pickle gives back to its users.

Best of luck, much respect for you for coming out and saying what you said so well.

Jack B.

[Hittman]

Not a pussy - I just wish to remain anonymous. That is a right I have.

I just don't want my organizations name attached with any thing I say here. Is that so wrong?

I don’t know, is cowardice wrong?

I like your new avatar Concerned Listener.

I know you’re being sarcastic, but I’ve got to say his Photoshop skills are as mediocre as the other skills he’s displayed here. (And on his podcast as well, if he is who I think he is.)

Australian culture is pretty much the same as American.

Which American culture are you comparing it to? The New England culture, which is quite different from the Yooper Culture (despite having similar climate and geography), the Southern Culture, The New York City Culture, which is vastly different from the Upstate NY culture, The Chicago Culture, the Boston Culture, the Midwest Culture, the Washington State Culture, the Washington DC culture, the Texas Culture, the Utah Culture (if you can call it culture), The Lower CA culture, which is different from the Upper CA culture, the Hawaiian Culture, the Louisiana Culture, or the Alaskan Culture, to name just a few? (And those are only geographic cultures, there are a few hundred more if we want to get on age, interests, and other cultures within the country.)

Or are you simply displaying your ignorance of the Australian Culture?

I don’t know much about it myself, although I have enough time partying with a few different Australians to know that Crocodile Dundee and Steve Erwin aren’t representative of what they have to offer. Hell, I might just track down a few Australian podcasts to get a bit more smartenized on the subject. Maybe it’s just me, but I prefer that approach over ignorance.

[kickasspodcast]

Which cultures need to be destroyed again Hitt?

I forgot which one it was.

;)

Jack B.

[BSquared]

Jack asks what is your fascination with Curry and Podshow? It seems to really bother you that alot of people hate the "sell out" commercialization and corporate tag teaming that is Podshow Inc. Does it suprise you that a buncha indie/amature casters aren't really keen on people who obviously only do it for the money?

No Jack it doesn't surprise me in the least. It just bores the crap out of me to hear/read people going on and on and on and on about it. I've not listened to your show (yet) so I have no idea what you do but some podcasters dribble on about the fact that they weren't chosen or drone on endlessly about how podshow is going to ruin podcasting etc etc etc.

In reality what's far more likely to ruin podcasting is 9000 shows with hosts who whinge about the fact they weren't chosen to be in podshow. I've tried several hundred shows so far...and have a favourites list of maybe 20-25. The only thing those favourites have in common is that they just do whatever it is they do...and do it well.

I also get kinda annoyed by the whole "commercialisation is evil" range of arguments. It's as if trying to make a profit out of something is akin to tearing the limbs from small children. I get that argument every day in my 3D world as well and I often want to slap the people that make it (it's OK I refrain from the actual slapping...just a little visualisation). People who've tried and succeeed to make money out of things are responsible for many of the good things we have in this world and I don't think they need to be crucified for their motive.

But yes Jack you're right...I think I am geting a bit obsessed...I'll leave it to discuss with my therapist (you say bar tender I say therapist) from now on.

Wallaby pizza...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Craig]

Wallabies, the other red meat.

Craig

[djacobs003]

I'm off to Podcast Pickle....it's fun over there and almost all my favourite shows are listed and my favourite hosts are hanging out there...

I'm listed there and I hang out there too...thanks, I didn't know you cared :wink:

[djacobs003]

So now we're down to complaining about complaining about Podshow....wow

Listening to the Rock and Roll Jew Show might help your stress. I don't ever talk about Podshow or complain about podcasting in general. Just great podsafe rock.

[kickasspodcast]

No Jack it doesn't surprise me in the least. It just bores the crap out of me to hear/read people going on and on and on and on about it. I've not listened to your show (yet) so I have no idea what you do but some podcasters dribble on about the fact that they weren't chosen or drone on endlessly about how podshow is going to ruin podcasting etc etc etc.
This is interesting... I subscribe to about 60 podcasts and i can honestly say I have never heard a single one "whine" about not being chosen for podshow. I for one am proud that they didn't ask us to be in it. I do not respect so many of the people involved that it would be bound to suck.
What shows have you heard people complain because they aren't in podshow. I would be interested to hear some if you have any links?
I also have never heard anyone say podshow will ruin podcasting. Again, if you have some links please shoot them my way. If anything what podshow does makes the rest of us look really tempting. (imho)



In reality what's far more likely to ruin podcasting is 9000 shows with hosts who whinge about the fact they weren't chosen to be in podshow. I've tried several hundred shows so far...and have a favourites list of maybe 20-25. The only thing those favourites have in common is that they just do whatever it is they do...and do it well.
I understand your hyperbole "9000 shows with hosts who wine about..." but again, I have listened to an EZ 500 different shows, I regularly listen to 60 or more, and I never hear any of them (a wide mix too) whining about podshow not picking them. Again, if you have any links or something that would be great. They just do whatever they do and do it well? A bit vague but I guess I get what you mean.


I also get kinda annoyed by the whole "commercialisation is evil" range of arguments. It's as if trying to make a profit out of something is akin to tearing the limbs from small children. I get that argument every day in my 3D world as well and I often want to slap the people that make it (it's OK I refrain from the actual slapping...just a little visualisation). People who've tried and succeeed to make money out of things are responsible for many of the good things we have in this world and I don't think they need to be crucified for their motive.
Wow, I have never asserted that "commercialization is evil" at all. When you commercialize art or media, you always loose alot, but in no way have heard anyone imply that its nefarious or detrimental to the greater whole.

There is a huge difference between someone doing something for money and "commercialzation" or even "Someone doing it for the money." You can do a job and get paid and be rather apathetic towards anything but your bottom line OR you can do a job that you love and happen to get paid. To me there is a critical difference. I strongly believe in regulated capitalism. I think its probably the most effective political/economic system you can get, but if we didn't have people doing things out of love, believe me, alot LESS good things would be happening.



But yes Jack you're right...I think I am geting a bit obsessed...I'll leave it to discuss with my therapist (you say bar tender I say therapist) from now on.


Yeah, you do realize in your explanation that you mentioned podshow as a part of your explanation. Its cool, its late, I understand, its like using a word in its own definition, but i'd have another beer and feck podshow altogether. There are a few true gems, but the rest is nothing you will ever worry about missing.


Wallaby pizza...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'll pass. Sounds intresting though, but I live too far away to get
it fresh. ;)

Jack B.

[maryandkarla]

Wallabies?

M&K

[AaronfromQC]

What I find interesting about this post is it started with stop complaining about /attacking other shows, adam curry, PCA, etc.....and it went right back into that, even the origional poster (Bsquared) joined in the fun. I'm guilty of the crime of sometimes getting heated on here but I can assure you that if you met me in person, I'm a very different person than I am on here but almost exactly like how I am on my show, just a bit more shy. I tend to let loose on here because like everyone, I often loose sight that there are other people on the end of my comments and they have feelings. When I do my show, I am more in control of those issues because I'm talking not only to my wife but also to my audience and I remember that they don't care to hear an entire show about how I hate this or that. I think if we all remember that the words posted on here are from real people with different life experiences, we can all calmly and rationally disagree. For anyone I've ever offended, I sincerely apologize and I hope that my comments haven't turned you off from giving my show a listen. For those of you whom I have disagreed with, I'm going to invite you to meet me at the podcast expo, I will be at the podcast pickle booth at 2pm november 11, I'm on the pickle feed from 2-2:20, feel free to stop by, say hello and we can shake hands to bury all hatchets. Deal?

[Concerned Listener]

Is anyone else sick of Jack B. as much as I am?

http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/images/avatars/10832263954306af946b473.jpg

He's like a second Patrick in a way. Except this guy is a skinny, whitetrash, alien looking thing.

And buddy - the Abraham Lincoln beard - It's gotta go - makes you look like an amish hillbilly.

By the way - if underneath your icon at PCA it reads: "I Eat, Sleep and Drink PodcastAlley.com" - you are in fact a loser.

[Concerned Listener]

By the way - CRAIG - your new photo is quite charming.

[Concerned Listener]

So now we're down to complaining about complaining about Podshow....wow

Listening to the Rock and Roll Jew Show might help your stress. I don't ever talk about Podshow or complain about podcasting in general. Just great podsafe rock.


MAZEL TOV!

http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/images/avatars/1608380610434e09c3c0d19.jpg

[kickasspodcast]

Is anyone else sick of Jack B. as much as I am?

http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/images/avatars/10832263954306af946b473.jpg

He's like a second Patrick in a way. Except this guy is a skinny, whitetrash, alien looking thing.

And buddy - the Abraham Lincoln beard - It's gotta go - makes you look like an amish hillbilly.

By the way - if underneath your icon at PCA it reads: "I Eat, Sleep and Drink PodcastAlley.com" - you are in fact a loser.

Gawd i'm a seksi bawler.

If this guy hates me then I can be sure I am on the right track. Frankly to be compared to P. Melt in anyway is humbling, except for the fact that I am far seksier than he is. But he's got me on the funny, and probably the money. On snap that rhymed!

Concerned listener. You are a true gem in PCA. You make all our visits worth while. The things you bring to the table, none of us ever would. It makes me smile to see you post, because its nothing that I, nor anyone else would ever dream of posting.


Thanks again,

Jack B.


PS- Sorry ladies, I am a happily married man.

[Craig]

By the way - CRAIG - your new photo is quite charming.
Thanks. Maybe I should put the old one back up for Halloween.

Wallabies:

http://www.micktravels.com/australia/atherton_tablelands/s094-wallabies.jpg

Craig

[kickasspodcast]

Craig is a photography deity.


Duh.


Jack B.

[SFEley]

This is very frustrating.

BSquared, who has demonstrated herself to be the sort of dedicated podcast listener we all desperately want, says a number of True Things. The most important of which is that any other prospective podcast listener who has the misfortune to stumble in here, rather than discovering a passion for podcasts, is far more likely to say "What a bunch of useless, squabbling wankers!" and dismiss the entire medium. And they'd be reasonable to do so, because the attitude in here is far too hostile for any new listeners to feel welcome.

Of course it'd be unrealistic to expect the responses to her not to squabble and wank uselessly; if everyone here was capable of that, it wouldn't be a problem. But if you dismissed her complaints without thinking about where she was coming from, without considering that listeners who care about podcasts are people you should listen to, then you're making an incredible mistake.

Why do I care? I care because when Podcast Alley becomes a pit of negativity, when people come here and think that mocking avatars and running insult contests and petty bickering is what podcasting is about, they're not just going to limit that judgment to you and your shows. They're not going to try my podcast either. They're not going to try 5 Minutes With Wichita (http://www.5minuteswithwichita.com/), they're not going to try to the guy in Australia who reads from Christian scholars (http://deadwhiteguys.blogspot.com/), they're not even going to try the knitting podcast (http://scifiville.typepad.com/knitcast/). They won't hang around long enough to know that those things exist. Like old folks who dismiss all rap music because they assume it's all bad poetry about hoodlums killing each other, people are going to dismiss all podcasts because they assume it's all geeks ranting about nothing.

To say that everyone comes to forums for different reasons, that you have a "right" to be an idiot on the forums if you want to, is both true and useless. Babies make noises just because they can. If you want to communicate, you need to think about who's listening and what they're going to hear. When you represent yourself as a podcaster in this place, you're representing all of podcasting. When you drive away potential listeners in a general public portal, you're driving away everybody's potential listeners.

And that's why this sort of nonsense pisses me off. There've always been a few stupid squabbling threads here and there, and yeah, it can be entertaining in very small doses, but now they're taking over the site. It becomes harder and harder for anyone to see anything else. And what we're seeing in this thread is evidence that this hurts podcasting, and you're mocking it.

Listen to your listeners. Listen to BSquared. Don't get sarcastic or irrelevant at her. If you want listeners, and if you want podcasting to get taken seriously -- hell, if you just don't want it dismissed out of hand -- then get the message here. And represent.

[Concerned Listener]

This is for SFEley:


because they assume it's all bad poetry about hoodlums killing each other, people are going to dismiss all podcasts because they assume it's all geeks ranting about nothing.

Settle down, ok. Again, one person, such as yourself, can NOT speak for the "listeners" as a whole. Your personal opinions DO NOT, in any way represent the opinions of thousands of others.

Maybe someone should come up with a podcast directory site for all of the older, podcasters. The ones that have creepy imagery. The ones that have "spiritual podcasts. And the ones that complain about the complainers.

I hand it to Jack B. and Craig. They can come in here, although disapproving of my antics and others like myself, can still SURVIVE. They seem to be mature enough to kind of "live" around people like me, instead of trying to fight them away.

You're never going to have a community that represents your social beliefs solely. At PCA, you have one of the largest mixtures of personalities. It's time to deal with it. If you don't like it - then go do something productive with your time. Don't be like me and these nerds who sit in here and type nonsense that is forgotten about within hours.

Now I'll be honest. My whole deal is pretty much a joke. I'm doing something for another show, and my posts are kind of "research". You'll see - but I'm just trying to give you a LITTLE bit of faith in some of my words.

Everybody just settle down. If you cant take this stuff at comic value at the least, then don't take it at all. Just find somewhere else to go.

[SFEley]

Settle down, ok. Again, one person, such as yourself, can NOT speak for the "listeners" as a whole. Your personal opinions DO NOT, in any way represent the opinions of thousands of others.
A pointless truism. Just do what I asked, please, and actually think about the points BSquared raised, and think about what a newcomer to the whole podcasting scene would see if they came in here and beheld all of this. Make your own judgments, but do it for once from somebody else's perspective.


Maybe someone should come up with a podcast directory site for all of the older, podcasters. The ones that have creepy imagery. The ones that have "spiritual podcasts. And the ones that complain about the complainers.
Not the point. The point isn't about making me happy. It's about being open, positive, and welcoming to people who don't understand what this whole thing is about. Because no matter what other directories are around, some of them are going to come here.


Now I'll be honest. My whole deal is pretty much a joke. I'm doing something for another show, and my posts are kind of "research". You'll see - but I'm just trying to give you a LITTLE bit of faith in some of my words.
Yeah, I assumed as much. Your motivations for trolling aren't important. What matters is the effect of your trolling. And thus far, the effect has been to bring the entire tone of Podcast Alley down even further from where it was.

Once again, it's not my judgment that you should be worried about. The perspective I'm asking you to look at things from isn't mine.

[jeffoest]

You know, every forum on every topic has a handful of jerks that just like to raise a bit of havoc. I'm actually in favor of banning them (even though I don't take things like that lightly) when they don't add any value. And there are a handful here that I would probably ban if I were Chris.

BUT that said. I respect what BSquared said but also truly believe that it's a bit of an exaggeration to make a point. I really don't think many potential podcast listeners 'on the fence' are going to be turned off by a few negative threads on an open internet forum - I just really don't. People listen and explore podcasts because they get value from it. Period. Yea I agree - most folks could care less about 'whats going on in PCA' on a podcast or voting or hearing promos, etc... A large majority of folks that post here (the loud 5%) probably do care about these things so they tend to transfer those characteristics to 'all' PCA readers or even 'all' listeners.

But I've found (and I think probably most of us have found) our listeners don't care much about internet forums, think independently and just enjoy a bit of entertainment from our podcast every now and then.

For those reasonable and good people that enjoy hanging out here and on the Pickle. Every now and then just take a deep breath and remind yourself that 95% of the people reading what you write don't say anything - views expressed by the 5% 'ers usually don't match the majority. So have fun but don't take things so personally or seriously.

[youngblood]

Hey B Squared -

Do us all a favor and find a podcast site over in Australia to go to. Maybe over there you can find a podcast that doesn't bitch about things. Over here however, we argue, we speak up, we question.

You may mistake this for whining,but in America, thats how we debate. Thats how we solve problems. Thats how we learn.
.


you know, you make a good point...& perhaps the problems w/ some of the
discourse in the 'community' is cultrual differences.

america is the freeest society in terms of open discourse....this is not
the case in other countries. perhaps alot of the complaining by podcasters
a/o the non puppy dog discourse is by non-americans?

my wife is not american and these types of cultural differences pop up in
unexpected ways and can not be understated.


so maybe we can do a country roll call to test out my theory....

[youngblood]

One of my biggest gripes about forums in general is when discussion gets off topic, as demonstrated here. Usually it happens when the originator makes some irrefutable points, as I think you’ve done BSquared. Sad, however, is the fact that some of the most caustic and juvenile personalities seem to attract the most listeners (purely anecdotal).




whats interesting on internet forums such as this is that the discourse usually
get off 'topic' in the following direction:

-the bad people are getting us off topic and want play by the rules.
and
-the pollyannans are trying to repress free and open discourse.

this is saying something about the very nature of written discourse/ dialoge and
debate in general.

perhaps we see this nature so clearly in these types of forums b/c the internet
allows written discourse/dialoge/debate to happen ultra fast.

can you imagine if countries did their diplomaitc work this way... oh my god,
the problem would be solved in two months or the countries would be killing
each other right at two months and one day!

hmmm, a free disertation topic for you...i helped my wifes friend come up
with a microecnomic diseratin topic over a few beers...she's interviwing for
professor postions this weekend and i'm aruing on a message board.


oh, if ma could see me now, how proud she would be.

[youngblood]

Hahahahaha -

GUYS - I was JUST JOKING AROUND!

Come on guys -


i got the joke...your funny man.


one must remember, the podcast 'community' is largley made up of individuals
who understand stuff like:

rss feed-html tags-buffer code ascii format- line in line out hard drive mainipulation.

not that there is anything wrong w/ that sort of stuff, just pointing out that
people who are computer literate enough to do podcasting have somewhat of
a different sense of humor than others.

i would have been podcasting sooner but i couldnt figure that crap out for the
life of me. now my producer handles all of that stuff.

[youngblood]

This is very frustrating.

To say that everyone comes to forums for different reasons, that you have a "right" to be an idiot on the forums if you want to, is both true and useless. Babies make noises just because they can. If you want to communicate, you need to think about who's listening and what they're going to hear. When you represent yourself as a podcaster in this place, you're representing all of podcasting. When you drive away potential listeners in a general public portal, you're driving away everybody's potential listeners.

And represent.


this message board is not where the bulk of any podcasters potential listners will
come from, they wil come from google, yahoo and itunes.

this is just a place for the 'community' of podcasters. we are talking shop, if
you will. our discussions are of no interest to the bulk of 'potential listners'.

this is a place for the 'community of podcasters' not a place for the community of
podcasting listners.

the community for podcast listners is on the individual show forums.

if curry is worried that the bulk of his potential listners are going to be ran off by a few nerds (myself included) discssuing the state of the
podcast community on this forum - then he is woefully mistaken and want make
a dime of that 17million back.

i'm sure he sees these forums for what they are. a place where a small segment
of people discuss things that the average listener would never even care about
in their wildest dreams.

look, we are in a small corner of the internet, hidden by some bushes and an
old abandoned car.

there are not thousands upon thousands of potential listners watching us and
running away from podcasting b/c of a few flame wars.

give me a break.

[youngblood]

BUT that said. I respect what BSquared said but also truly believe that it's a bit of an exaggeration to make a point. I really don't think many potential podcast listeners 'on the fence' are going to be turned off by a few negative threads on an open internet forum - I just really don't. People listen and explore podcasts because they get value from it. Period. personally or seriously.

to think that the core podcast listner, core listner being the consumers who will
listen and consume the majority of the podcasts in the near future (the people who are just learning abut it on itunes or sirius for example) is being influenced in
any way by the posts on this forum is ridiculous.

the people who will make up the base of the most listened to podcasts in the
next year will never even come close to reading our posts.


stop with this 'meanny posters are running off all of the listners' maddness!!

[youngblood]

This is for SFEley:


because they assume it's all bad poetry about hoodlums killing each other, people are going to dismiss all podcasts because they assume it's all geeks ranting about nothing.

Settle down, ok. Again, one person, such as yourself, can NOT speak for the "listeners" as a whole. Your personal opinions DO NOT, in any way represent the opinions of thousands of others.

Now I'll be honest. My whole deal is pretty much a joke. I'm doing something for another show, and my posts are kind of "research". You'll see - but I'm just trying to give you a LITTLE bit of faith in some of my words.

Everybody just settle down. If you cant take this stuff at comic value at the least, then don't take it at all. Just find somewhere else to go.


"never appologize for your art"
http://www.newburycomics.com/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=103&upc=291406NEWBU

[Patrick]

I'll just chime in and say this...

Have you guys checked out the Nobody Likes Onions podcast over at http://www.nobodylikesonions.com?

[kcrockett]

hehehe thats great!

[Concerned Listener]

If you're not from New York, LA, Chicago, or Boston - you are basically 10 years behind the rest of us, and there for should be shot.

The BLUE cities should all form together and make a separate country.

[Hittman]

I PM'd Ferf and asked him how long we were going to have to put up with this *****le, how long he was going to be allowed to **** all over this forum while the rest of us had posts that were even slightly offensive deleted.

The message was read and deleted, unanswered.

It seems hard to believe, but evidently he just doesn’t give a **** about this place any more.

And I’m wondering how soon this post will be deleted, while this cowardly dipshit who has never added a single worthwhile thought to the forum is allowed to keep soaking his *** in the punchbowl, ruining the party for everyone else.

[kickasspodcast]

I PM'd Ferf and asked him how long we were going to have to put up with this *****le, how long he was going to be allowed to **** all over this forum while the rest of us had posts that were even slightly offensive deleted.

Cry me a river.


The message was read and deleted, unanswered.
There is no way for you to know that, he probably laughed at you, and then
went on to something that matters.

It seems hard to believe, but evidently he just doesn’t give a **** about this place any more.
Really? I certainly am probably not the Ferfs favorite guy, but this is just patently untrue. Chris cares about this place, its his baby, he is a busy guy with too many people bitching in PM about how he runs his forums. How many times have you PM'd the Ferf? I seriously wanna know.


And I’m wondering how soon this post will be deleted, while this cowardly dipshit who has never added a single worthwhile thought to the forum is allowed to keep soaking his *** in the punchbowl, ruining the party for everyone else.
Well you keep personally attacking him like everybody else you talk to. Why wouldn't this post be deleted? You seem to call yourself a "libertarian" but obviously you seem to want to get rid of the rights of others to annoy. Some people think you are annoying and are "shitting" on the forums, you tell mods how to do their jobs, instead of making suggestions, you go so much as to PM the website's owner and cheif admin to complain about some guy you could easily ignore.

Hittman, you haven't done anything more for this forum than Youngblood, Me, Sydbarret, Concerned Skaredy Cat, or even that annoying guy from Red Bar Radio or anyone else. This thread was about someone sick of people bitching at others. Why have you completely proven their point?

@ theFerf- yeah I know I been a pain in your ***, but surely not this big of a pain right? ;)


Jack B.
______________________________
"I can deal just fine with insanity."

[jimk]

Well you keep personally attacking him like everybody else you talk to.

You mean like you just did throughout this post?

Hypocrite. As usual.

[jimk]

I PM'd Ferf and asked him how long we were going to have to put up with this *****le, how long he was going to be allowed to **** all over this forum while the rest of us had posts that were even slightly offensive deleted.

It's not "The rest of us." It's mostly just those who have a problem with the new masters. It's VERY selective enforcement of this almighty "offensive" rule.

Of course they had to be shamed into considering pedophiles and white supremacists offensive, but who's counting?

[kickasspodcast]

Well you keep personally attacking him like everybody else you talk to.

You mean like you just did throughout this post?

Hypocrite. As usual.

<yawns>

It would mean something if actually did attack him.


Jack B.

[Hittman]

The message was read and deleted, unanswered.
There is no way for you to know that, he probably laughed at you, and then
went on to something that matters.

As always, Jack, you are wrong. There is a very, very simple way to tell if your message has been read and deleted. I won’t bother explaining it to you, because it will only result in more ignorant argument from you.

It seems hard to believe, but evidently he just doesn’t give a **** about this place any more.
Really? I certainly am probably not the Ferfs favorite guy, but this is just patently untrue.

I didn’t say it was true, now did I, Spunky? I was merely speculating. Obviously, your expertise with the subtleties of English are on par with your expertise in everything else. Might I suggest listening to The Word Nerds on a regular basis, which might help you overcome this particular handicap.

Not that it’s any of your business, but it’s the first time I’ve ever PMed him.

Jack, if you ever learn anything about what a libertarian is, then you can talk about it. Until then, though, remember the cliché that it is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt.

And just once, try replying to something about making wild *** assumptions and putting words in people’s mouth. I know that’s not your style, but give it a try, just for grins.

It's not "The rest of us." It's mostly just those who have a problem with the new masters. It's VERY selective enforcement of this almighty "offensive" rule.

As usual, you’ve nailed it. One set of rules for some people, one set for another.

It would mean something if actually did attack him.

Jack, you really need to try reality. Again, just for grins. Give it a shot, and you might like it.

[Patrick]

Once again, that's Nobody Likes Onions, conveniently available 24 hours a day at an internet terminal near you at http://www.nobodylikesonions.com.

[Esme]

I agree with BSquared. I'm out of here.

[youngblood]

I PM'd Ferf and asked him how long we were going to have to put up with this *****le, how long he was going to be allowed to **** all over this forum while the rest of us had posts that were even slightly offensive deleted.

The message was read and deleted, unanswered.

It seems hard to believe, but evidently he just doesn’t give a **** about this place any more.

And I’m wondering how soon this post will be deleted, while this cowardly dipshit who has never added a single worthwhile thought to the forum is allowed to keep soaking his *** in the punchbowl, ruining the party for everyone else.

i just dont get this whole notion of wanting to kick people off for not adding
'worthwhile thoughts' to the forum.

i can see wanting to kick people off for racscit view points-that i can understand, but also wanting to kick off people for not adding 'worthwhile thoughts', i just
cant understand.

one man's worthwhile thought is another mans non- worthwhile thought.

i think everbody here adds to the 'community', and while i dont agree or like
everybody who posts here, i would never advocate they are kicked off b/c
they annoy me.

[youngblood]

[quote][quote]

Jack, if you ever learn anything about what a libertarian is, then you can talk about it. Until then, though, remember the cliché that it is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt.
.


as a libertarian for the past 12 years, i must also say that hitman's posts and
PM's to me seem the exact opposite of libertarian phil.

how do you reconcile the kicking off of 'annoying' people within the frame work of
a libertarian phil?

[Hittman]

Perhaps I need to write in bigger type and use simpler words.

I didn’t say anything about kicking anyone off. Didn’t even imply it. I simply wanted to know when the rules were going to be evenly enforced.

Perhaps you and Jack could get a break on English comprehension lesions if you took them together. You could even study together afterwards – the blond leading the blond.

BTW, I left you my mailing address over at The Pickle. I’m looking forward to receiving your verifiable proof that your IQ is 17 points higher than Einstien’s.

I believe Albert was capable of comprehending English, and using capital letters.

[AaronfromQC]

Tired of the anger? Well check out The Big Show, on show #41 we set up one of our listeners with Les from Zaldor's World and Jenny gets pretty tipsy on the air. Make you feel better already don't it?

Check out the show at http://www.bigshowradio.com

Now back to choking the life out of each other...

[djacobs003]

I hope none of you are comming to the Podcast and portable Media show in Ontario, CA next month or there's going to be a serious through down. I don't think they have time to order a steel cage. :shock:

[youngblood]

Perhaps I need to write in bigger type and use simpler words.

I didn’t say anything about kicking anyone off. Didn’t even imply it. I simply wanted to know when the rules were going to be evenly enforced.

Perhaps you and Jack could get a break on English comprehension lesions if you took them together. You could even study together afterwards – the blond leading the blond.

BTW, I left you my mailing address over at The Pickle. I’m looking forward to receiving your verifiable proof that your IQ is 17 points higher than Einstien’s.

I believe Albert was capable of comprehending English, and using capital letters.


albert had learning difficulties and i imagine problems with spelling and correcct
grammer just as i. a problem of geniuses.

also, just make the post to PCA and pickle that i will be sending the proof of my
iq and that you promise to post the 'proof'.

soon as you do that ill send it right out.

jack, i'm kind of broke right now, can you spot me for the reading comp. classes?

thanks.

[youngblood]

I hope none of you are comming to the Podcast and portable Media show in Ontario, CA next month or there's going to be a serious through down. I don't think they have time to order a steel cage. :shock:


nah, not coming but would be no trouble on my end if i did come. i'm a cyber agruer not a physical fighter.

and i'm a very likeable and charming person, albeiet shy- in real life. i just like to
type my mind and point out bogusness when i see it on the net.

[SFEley]

albert had learning difficulties and i imagine problems with spelling and correcct
grammer just as i. a problem of geniuses.
No. Einstein was an excellent writer. He also didn't have learning difficulties; he had problems with his teachers. He learned things very quickly.

As for IQ test scores, hell, I could post mine too and take you head on (so to speak) in a cerebral penis size contest, but that would be juvenile and ineffective. I learned a long time ago that if you have to prove your intelligence to people by telling them how intelligent you are, you've already failed.

Think about that.

[SFEley]

and i'm a very likeable and charming person, albeiet shy- in real life. i just like to
type my mind and point out bogusness when i see it on the net.
By the way, what I just said about intelligence also applies to telling people you likeable and charming you are.

Self-praise is easy. No one ever gives any credence to it. But if you prove it, by being intelligent, likeable and charming, then other people will start to say it for you; and people believe praise when it comes from an outside source. That's how you can earn the reputation you clearly would like to have.

[youngblood]

and i'm a very likeable and charming person, albeiet shy- in real life. i just like to
type my mind and point out bogusness when i see it on the net.
By the way, what I just said about intelligence also applies to telling people you likeable and charming you are.

Self-praise is easy. No one ever gives any credence to it. But if you prove it, by being intelligent, likeable and charming, then other people will start to say it for you; and people believe praise when it comes from an outside source. That's how you can earn the reputation you clearly would like to have.


i wouldnt hve said i was a likeable and charming person if peeps hadnt said this throughtout the years.

geez.

[youngblood]

[quote=youngblood]
As for IQ test scores, hell, I could post mine too and take you head on (so to speak) in a cerebral penis size contest, but that would be juvenile and ineffective. I learned a long time ago that if you have to prove your intelligence to people by telling them how intelligent you are, you've already failed.
Think about that.

arent message boards like this ultimatley 'cerebral penis size contests', isn't life one big 'cerbreal pensi size conttest?

otto rank said that every single interaction is a battle btwn the two wills for psychological dominance over the other.

come on, lets have an offfical podcaster iq score challenge....the smartest podcaster if you will.

it will be fun, juvinelle and ineffective granted, but fun!

btw, do you like the enders game series and pk dick's VALIS?

if you like valis, you might like the opera that was based on it.

dont hate, penetrate.

[SFEley]

you have to prove your intelligence to people by [i]telling them how intelligent you are, you've already failed.
Think about that.
come on, lets have an offfical podcaster iq score challenge....the smartest podcaster if you will.
it will be fun, juvinelle and ineffective granted, but fun!

It's obvious you didn't think about it.

[youngblood]

you have to prove your intelligence to people by [i]telling them how intelligent you are, you've already failed.
Think about that.
come on, lets have an offfical podcaster iq score challenge....the smartest podcaster if you will.
it will be fun, juvinelle and ineffective granted, but fun!

It's obvious you didn't think about it.

ok