Is "Nobody Likes Onions" Cheating? [Archive]

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 04:56 PM

Seeing NLO on the top ten at Podcastalley.com brought some concerns to my mind. How can a show catch up so quickly in the rankings? (I asked myself)

I don't know if they are cheating their way to the top fur sure, but if you llook at their alexa traffic ranking, it surely does not match up. Every other show in the top ten ranking on PCA is in the top 100,000, as far as rankings go in Alexa. Patrick's show, Nobody Likes Onions, is not in the top 100,000 however. Patrick's traffic rank is 1,276,393, which is vastly different from everyone else on the top ten list.

You can view his traffic ranking here: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=3m&size=medium&compare_sites=&y=r&url=nobodylikesonions.com#top

Compare that with the others on the top ten list - you'll see what I mean.

I did some more research and found that NLO was definitely cheating on itunes. An iTunes music store department head, who wishes not to be named, shared some information with me that startled me.

NLO was subscribed to 4,000+ times from the same IP address, on 12 separate occasions. The IP address was: 69.24.77.68 - which looks as though it's NLO's IP address.

So -whats the deal Patrick? Have you come up with a way to create votes on PCA? Are you scamming itunes?

- A concerned listener

Fueled By Beer Radio

Oct 13th, 2005, 05:13 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if he was. It's sad really.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 05:17 PM

Another surprising find:

Patrick from NLO has disabled the viewing of his feedburner stats. If he was doing so well, like his rankings in PCA show, why would he hide his stats?

This is a quote from Patrick on a PCA thread:

"We would be inthe top 5 according to feedburner number if we had our feedburner API turned on."

Another lie? You decide.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:00 PM

Woah - this is weird. I found a post from Patrick on a message board at Vital Podcasts.com. I don't know if it's real though. You decide:

"Patrick from Noboddy Likes Onions - Oct-06-2005
So what if I cheat? It just means that I was smarter/quicker than the rest of the idiots that actually sit around waiting for votes.By cheating, I also gained a lot of new listeners. So I don't care if you think it was wrong - I didnt do anything illegal. I did what I had to do - and I still do it! I cheat on itunes everyday. All you have to do is click subscribe over 100 times. If you fools were smart, you'd be doing it too.PatrickNLO

PVS - Oct-07-2005
Good luck with your crooked attitude, Patrick. See how far it gets you in the long run.

Patrick from Noboddy Likes Onions - Oct-08-2005
Screw you. You're probably a jew aren't you? Jews like you are the problem with today's world."

I don't know if this is a joke or not, but you can view it yourself at vitalpodcasts.com - http://nobodylikesonions.vitalpodcasts.com/

Weird - patrick is NOT ranking on Vital Podcasts.com - Could he have forgetten to "cheat it up" over there?
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Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:20 PM

Also -

Nobody Likes Onions only has 175 comments posted. Wouldn't a show with so many votes have a bit more comments than 175?

the other shows in the top ten have comments that seem to represent their number of votes.

Just another observation.

Can anyone get HARD evidence on cheating? Is there a way?

JohnnyWB

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:26 PM

Ok, we get it.

Let's hear what Patrick has to say.

JB

ferg

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:34 PM

I will say this:
People simply aren't voting as much as they used to. The #1 cast has like 400 votes this month - a few months ago, it would take 2000 to get #1.

As for the comments, I dunno...if they're repeat people, do they need to comment every month.

And really, Patrick whores himself out to anyone who'll give him an eye or an ear. There's 5 minutes of vote-begging in every ****ing episode, as well as additonal mailings, etc, etc.

In fact, is it not possible, if you were sending out to a mailing list to customize the mail so that there was a link in the email that posted your vote (not even giving an option for comments)? I don't think he does that though, but I'm sure he's working on it.

So - vote whore? Definitely.
Cheater - I dunno, but who cares.
The whole PCA voting thing is ridiculous anyway.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:34 PM

Ok, we get it.

Let's hear what Patrick has to say.

JB
Fair enough - but what is Patrick going to say? I mean REALLY? You think that he's going to admit to it?

Maybe he will - I am simply providing my observations and facts I have obtained.

As a podcast listener, I wish to uphold the standards. I want to make sure podcasts are being ranking honestly and fairly.

If someone doesn't "keep the podcasters in check", then what is stopping them from cheating?

Also - I forgot to mention this:

Patrick and NLO have been removed from iTunes. Does iTunes usually keep removing shows just because they feel like it? Or is there a reason?

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:40 PM

So - vote whore? Definitely.
Cheater - I dunno, but who cares.
The whole PCA voting thing is ridiculous anyway.

Thanks for your comments on this. Let it be known, I am not out to personally attack Patrick, or anyone for that matter. I am simply trying to keep tab of what I see as "fishy".

You mentioned this in your post: "Cheater - I dunno, but who cares."

Well, I care - and you should as well. Why should a legit show like yours be pushed back even ONE SPOT on the rankings because of someone else's lies?

If Patrick is indeed cheating, how many others are out there as well?

If we don't continue to confront these suspicions, than eventually, things will get out of hand.

Do you really want the top ten to turn into a list of fakes?

Just trying to help for the better.

Will-Casel

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:45 PM

Hmmmm....maybe "Concerned Listener" is actually Patrick trying to drum up controversy, thus creating more interest in his show.????

Ah, the plot thickens! :roll:

Will

TheCritic000

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:48 PM

I'm familiar with how the Alexa traffic rankings work, and it is possible that they aren't cheating. Their 1 week average is within the top 1,000,000, which isn't that easy to do. The ranking seems to be based on a three month average, so if they got a recent burst in traffic it might not show for a week. Even then it might not have that much of an effect on their ranking.

I will say you can't make a determination as to whether or not NLO is cheating based on the Alexa traffic rank, but I do think these statements are gross exaggerations.

"We would be inthe top 5 according to feedburner numbers if we had our feedburner API turned on."

"For the record, we have only been out of iTunes for about a month. We have nearly 10,000 regular subscribers, whether or not you believe it"

If what you say is true about iTunes, it would make sense to turn off their feedburner API.

www.PodSpank.com

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:51 PM

Hmmmm....maybe "Concerned Listener" is actually Patrick trying to drum up controversy, thus creating more interest in his show.????

Ah - the plot thickens indeed. However, it's not the case. I did probably mention his name far too many times though.

You have my word that this is not Patrick - but thanks for being skeptical. It only furthers my theory that Patrick is a shifty guy, who would do such things.

Let's face it, we've all seen Patrick's posts. He's constantly causing trouble. However, this is not one of his stunts.

Thanks,

Listener - oh yeah - the only reason I wish to remain anonymous is because I currently run a large non-for profit organization, and wish to keep it separate from this.

TINKOFF RADIO

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:53 PM

Why do we care about this?
In the end, all that really matters is the quality and integrity of your show.
If the show is great, more listeners will come - if it sucks, they will find something else. I'm proud of the 150 or so listeners to my show - could be more, could be less - but all that matters is that somebody is listening. All it takes is one person to make a difference.

This sort of finger pointing is a total waste of energy in my opinion.

Lift up the positive.

TINKOFF RADIO
Podcasting for Peace

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 06:57 PM

I'm familiar with how the Alexa traffic rankings work, and it is possible that they aren't cheating. Their 1 week average is within the top 1,000,000, which isn't that easy to do. The ranking seems to be based on a three month average, so if they got a recent burst in traffic it might not show for a week. Even then it might not have that much of an effect on their ranking.

You're absolutely right TheCritic000 - It doesn't prove anything. But after I spoke with the person at itunes about NLO subscribing to their own cast sever thousand times, it definitely adds to my suspicion.

But yeah, I can't prove anything. I just wanted to post what I did know, so that if they ARE cheating, maybe it will be exposed by someone else who knows more about it.

I myself an not an expert on the internet. I am only a person who ran into a few clues that led my to believe NLo might be cheating.

Thanks for you comments

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:02 PM

Why do we care about this?

Some people DO care TINKOFF. You might not, and thats totally fine.

But I'm sure there are some people here that wouldn't appreciate cheating going on. People that legitimately work hard on there shows, and work hard to get their audience to vote. If we have people cheating, then it degrades the value of everyone else's rankings. And although YOU might not care about your rankings, many people do, and work really hard to be there.

I could be totally wrong - but if I'm right, I will be happy to know that I stopped something from damaging the integrity of PCA's rankings.

That's all

ferg

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:08 PM

Why should a legit show like yours be pushed back even ONE SPOT on the rankings because of someone else's lies?

Uh, because being pushed back, even 100 spots is meaningless. I've actually been trying to get people NOT to vote for me. I'm not thrilled with the fact that the voting even exists, so why should I care if someone attempts to do something that makes its meaningless even more obvious?

johngon

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:22 PM

Really, the rankings come down to just a list of those shows that ask for votes and campaign to be in the Top 10.

I listen to the shows I listen to regardless of ranking simply because I enjoy them - not because of their ranking. And the shows I've found have been through clicking links of shows here in the forums or they were recommended by other podcasters. It's how I found View From Here, Tipsy Chicks, Seanachai, and the Paranormal Podcast.

Between endorsements on other podcasts and clips played on DSC - that's where I get my new shows. Not from any listing on iTunes or Podcast Alley or really any other.

A Top 10 is just that... a list... similar to Top 40. There will always be some amount of jiggery-pokery regardless of the system. Call it cheating, focus marketing, gerrymandering... whatever... it's all the same thing when you get down to basics.

What gets listeners - and most importantly regular subscribers - is entertaining and/informative content well delivered.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:26 PM

To Johngon and Air Ferg:

Everything you said is 100% true and great. But - there are people who care about their rankings. You guys may not care, but like I said before, there are a large number of people who DO care, and work hard on their campaigns.

So this post is really for them -

Thanks guys.

TINKOFF RADIO

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:26 PM

Peace be with you my podcasting brother!

Ranking is a delusion, don't let it control you - all that really matters is the energy you put into the quality and integrity of your show not how many votes you get. Podcasting to me is all about reaching a listener - even if it's only one and keeping your show honest to yourself, otherwise the entire thing turns into a Dog and Pony show.

Your content makes your show -- not how many votes you have.
It's your show - don't let ranking persuade your creativity.

LOVE.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:32 PM

Ranking is a delusion, don't let it control you - all that really matters is the energy you put into the quality and integrity of your show not how many votes you get. Podcasting to me is all about reaching a listener - even if it's only one and keeping your show honest to yourself, otherwise the entire thing turns into a Dog and Pony show.

Thats all well and good - and that's actually my belief as well - unfortunately, like I said in my last post, there are a number of shows who really try hard to get voted, and deserve them.

When a newbie first comes to PCA, they will most likely check out the top ten, and give a listen to the shows listed there. To be in the top ten on the front page should be something that is worked for. Something that represents a "congratulations".

I'm sure that being there gives more attention to your show.

It's also unfair to the advertisers who pay to be on the front page. Why should NLO or any show for that matter get an undeserved advertisement on a high-traffic site?

This is not just a petty, finger-pointing cause I have. Damaging the integrity of the front page in fact hurts many others.

kickasspodcast

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:39 PM

Is NLO cheating?

Feck No.

Don't hate the player, hate the game biznatch.

Jack B.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:44 PM

Feck No.

Don't hate the player, hate the game biznatch.

Jack B.

Once again, my intentions for this thread were to make aware of this matter for the people who RESPECT the "game".

I guess if you really dont care about upholding standards and integrity, you will find this post petty.

Dont get me wrong - it's completely fine if you dont give a **** about rankings, but never the less, unfair to the people who do. Right???

johngon

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:47 PM

I'd also like to point out that no one from NLO has even posted on this thread yet. I don't want this to turn into a "presumed guilty" thread. If you truly do not have a NLO persecution mentality - why did you change your sig pic to a parody of their logo?

Until TheFerg (or someone from PA officially) chimes in - and/or someone from NLO admitting to the vote rigging or defending themselves, I think we ought to try and have a balanced discussion.

Playing devil's advocate, I agree with your point. Getting listed in the top 10 on the front page is basically an endorsement and does drive traffic to the show in question. However I stick by my point. Getting a listener and earning a subscriber are two entirely different concepts.

Regardless of how high the show is listed on the Top 10 - it is the content that will bring people back. If someone is opposed and/or not entertained by a given podcast, it doesn't matter a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys where they are listed - the listener will not be back.

And doesn't having a thread of 2-3 pages discussing a given show generate almost more traffic to the show? Given the lookie-loo mentality of the majority of our society, I'm sure that NLO is going to get additional downloads by just the ppl curious about the controversy.

JohnnyWB

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:49 PM

Jack,

Regarding your use of the word feck.

I used to play soccer with an Austrian dude that pronounced the eff word as "feck". It was fecking hilarious.

We would make him say" Feck all you fecking feckers"

Had to share.

JB

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 07:50 PM

I'm taking off for the night -

So if there is an argument here, I will not be here to contribute to it till the morning.

Just letting people know that I'm not bailing on my thoughts.

And if Patrick is not cheating, and I was wrong, I apologize to Patrick personally and will give a public statement.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:01 PM

In regards to my little parody icon -

It's kind of cute though right? I just thought I'd bring a little humor into all of this.

And doesn't having a thread of 2-3 pages discussing a given show generate almost more traffic to the show? Given the lookie-loo mentality of the majority of our society, I'm sure that NLO is going to get additional downloads by just the ppl curious about the controversy.

It's worth it to expose someone that may be corrupt. If it takes me giving him 100 more listeners to stop him from getting 1,000 more in the future, then that is what I'll do.

And we all know that Patrick isn't known for his innocence. If he's not caught out on this, it will surely be for something else in the future.

At least this way I am informing others about his scams. Maybe people will be on the look out from now on and stop a possible future "cheating" attempt.

I mean, how can you trust a guy who has a benefit like this:

http://www.nobodylikesonions.com/images/main/donate.gif

He's using a tragedy for his own personal gain. He's calling himself a victim of Hurricane Katrina because he has to pay high gas prices due to the storm. Thats wrong.

ferg

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:08 PM

He's using a tragedy for his own personal gain. He's calling himself a victim of Hurricane Katrina because he has to pay high gas prices due to the storm. Thats wrong.

Dude - it's a joke. Lighten up.

It's not like he's Michael Moore making megamillions on the suffering of others...

ferg

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:09 PM

I'm starting to think that "Concerned Listener" is Patrick Melton himself....yah...that's just the kind of vote whore he is.

Dweezil2000

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:13 PM

He's calling himself a victim of Hurricane Katrina because he has to pay high gas prices due to the storm. Thats wrong.

LOL...I'm sorry, but THAT right there is comedy!

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:16 PM

I like your Tina Fey quote

FOSCO

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:35 PM

Oh yeah Patrick is cheating. :roll:

I bet he subscribes to himself all day long. It's not like he has a serious full-time job. It's not like he has a serious (non-open mic) stand-up gig. It's not like he produces a bi-weekly top-rated podcast. He practically made gay Adam what he is today :o .

Don't hate the player hate the game. Sounds cheezy I know.

I would put good money on the fact that "Concerned Listener" is a disgruntled podcaster.

I just lost the game.

Fosco 8)

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:49 PM

Wow. All this for little old me.

I'll use this opportunity to address a lot of things going on here, including opinions of me or my show.

I got the idea to start podcasting 5 months ago, after finding a couple I enjoyed. It's been really fun and I am having a blast doing it. As a standup comedian, I think it's cool that there are similarities in podcasting. As a comedian, it takes you a long time to find your voice - to say things and present things in a manner that's truly you, and only then can you become successful. Podcasting is very similar.

Our show has grown and changed since we started. I couldn't be more happy with our success. We are nowhere near the biggest show, but we are one of the biggest shows around for our age (a little over 4 months). All of our shows aren't comedy gold. Our show isn't for everyone. Sometimes people find it offensive or racist or insensitive, or what have you. That's understandable. I have a firm belief that there is comedy in anything - any aspect of life. I lost my father to cancer in April of 2005, and that experience has caused me to renew my vow to never take life so seriously that it isn't fun. It's just too short and too precious to live by any rules - especially something as stupid and stuffy as political correctness.

A lot of people around here probably think I am an *****le. That's understandable, too. I like to nit pick people, I like to argue, and I like to snap sarcasm at others. Sometimes people don't know me or my personality and they take offense, and I make enemies for life. In reality, I'm not racist or insensitive or anything like that. I'm not an *****le. I'm a pretty nice guy if you know me. I'd do anything to help anyone, and I wouldn't hurt a fly. Those of you that have taken more than 5 seconds to talk to me know that. Beneath my rough and sarcastic exterior I'm a pretty good guy. If I've offended you on this forum, and you aren't Paul from Barefoot Radio, then I have nothing against in reality. It was all in good fun, I promise. If you're Paul from Barefoot Radio, you can eat a bag of dicks. You and your show are a joke.

That being said, I don't think this person posting these things about me is Paul from Barefoot Radio, but it might be. He is one of two people I think it could be. The other is Corey or Joel from the Corey and Joel radio show. I like these guys' show, but they bash every other comedy show, and recently accused me of cheating for votes on one of their shows. That's fine. They put down a lot of shows and I chalk it up to insecurity.

That being said, Chris can verify that this person is not me, and find out who it is. I doubt he will, but I challenge him to. I have nothing to hide. I also invite him or anyone else to look at our votes to see if we are "cheating".

Ferg is a buddy of mine - he told me about this thread - and accuses me of being a vote whore. That's cool with me. I ask for votes on almost every show. I have a master's degree in marketing. I do a lot of things to try to get votes. We have a mailing list, forums, people pimping us in other forums, I advertise/beg on other websites I own, etc. I don't have scripts or programs to cheat at voting. I don't vote hundreds of times. I don't know where this anonymous accuser got that from. It's not true, and again, I invite Chris to check and verify that.

As far as iTunes, we never cheated there either. It was like the wild, wild west for a few days when people found out how to. I can't prove or even say that no one setup a program to cheat for us. I never asked anyone to, I never said to do it on the show, and no one ever told me they were doing it. I couldn't stop them if they were, though, so how that's on me, I don't know.

We were removed from iTunes about a month ago. I don't know why. A lot of people have been dropped - all kinds of shows - at random times since iTunes 4.9 launched. A lot of people are having trouble getting listed, and still aren't since it's launch. No one knows why. There are no answers. I refuse to believe we got de-listed for content, and I refuse to believe it was for "cheating" when you know some of the tech shows had the worse offenders of this "crime".

Ferg has his feedburner stats disabled. Is he cheating? Lot of people do. It's a option. They don't make options because they aren't requested. I disable my feedburner number because I don't want people seeing a lower number than our actual listener count. We have more than one feed as well. It's just not a correct number to have out there. Our feedburner number isn't 1/3 of our libsyn average audience number. Numbers don't mean **** right now, so I don't want any out about my show. I'm not lying or making wild claims about listenership, either. What would be my reason for lying? We have no advertisers. Use your head before you make wild claims.

This person says that we subscribed 4000+ times to our own show. Wow. Really? I'd love to see the proof of that. There are lots of accusations here, stated as if they are fact, but no actual facts to back them up. Fake stats, fake posts from other sites (I've never posted on vital podcasts or whatever that site is), and much more.

It all sounds real official (actually it sounds pretty sloppy and malicious), but there are no facts. Once again, I welcome Chris to backup anything he can here. He is busy though, so I don't blame him if he doesn't. This topic was started out of jealousy and insecurity. That's the bottom line. I guarantee it.

Thanks for reading my rambling.

Back to bashing my show for being semi-popular.

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:52 PM

PS - Thanks to Tim Henson and Ferg, just for being them. Check out Distorted View and Airferg - two shows that deserve to be in the top ten on any list.

jimk

Oct 13th, 2005, 08:57 PM

Until I got to the end, I was POSITIVE Patrick set this whole thing up. :)

Here's my take on voting at PCA: WHO CARES ANYMORE. I'm telling my listeners to stop voting. I'm so done with the race to the bottom.

That's what vote whoring is to me. A race to the bottom that is PCA these days. I'd rather have the show spread via word of mouth and slowly build than spend half my god****ed (oops, is that word too naughty for PCA?) time trying to figure out how I can look more popular to try to GET more popular.

I'm opting out of the vote race.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:14 PM

To Patrick:

Thank you for being so honest and reasonable in your response. However, I am not doing this out of jealously and insecurity.

The opinions and statements I have formed on this post have all been made because of the information that has come across my desk.

If someone else has gone out to make it seem like YOU were cheating, then you are in fact the victim of this silly mess, and I apologize.

You have to understand that it's not just me who believe NLO has been up to no good, and opinions like these don't form out of thin air.

You have been accused by many people - and you have to take a look at that. Your reputation has brought you to this point.

Maybe you haven't been cheating at all. If that is the case, like I said - I apologize. I am only looking out for the ones who work hard at what they do.

JimK makes a fine point as well. Vote whoring may be just as bad as cheating. Podcasters almost force there listeners to vote these days. And how can we say these votes represent the quality of a show anymore? If anything, they represent the determination of someone who really wants votes. I bet if someone wanted to they could get a show listed in the top ten that isn't even a show at all. All someone has to be could at is encouraging a person to click "vote now" and enter there email address.

Now that people are aware of the possibility of cheating, I am done with my quest. If Patrick WAS cheating, he's probably not going to do it anymore.

But for those who are cheating or plan to cheat - we're out there, and we're watching your every move.

Stay honest.

Germany - the country

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:18 PM

I have taken down the "NOBODY LIKES CHEATING" icon, and replaced it with the current one you see now.

I ask that Chris from PCA keeps my identity anonymous. That is my right. I was not pretending to be Patrick - there might be some confusion there.

Thank you,

Germany

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:21 PM

it's 100% out of jelousy and insecurity. You insult everyone here by trying to pretend it isn't. You know you have a podcast. You know it's not as good or successful as mine, and you can't ****ing stand it.

Once again, you've provided no facts - shocker - and have wasted people's time by babbling because your daddy didn't hug you enough when you were a teenager.

I've been accused of cheating by two people - the two I listed - and you're one of them. No one else. Any other posts on any other sites is all part of some crazy elaborate scheme of yours to become the next Watergate, but you're too stupid to realize that no one cares.

I bet you're begging for your identity to be secret now. You know I know you're one of those two people.

Keep trying to fool everyone. You've almost got it.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:32 PM

There is no fooling going around here Patrick. I told you that I apologize.

There is no big scheme against you. If I had hard facts I would have provided them. I was asking for evidence in this forum - that was one of the reasons I started this thread - to see if anyone else had seen what I was seeing.

I never claimed to have any "hard" evidence that you were cheating - in fact, most of everything I did here was in "question form". I was more, asking - "could patrick be cheating". I listed what I knew, and nothing else.

I do not run a Podcast, nor would I know how to. I applaud the people who do, and do it well. I noticed a problem, and went out to solve it. My dad though did actually pass away when I was very young, so you did get one thing right.

I was not trying to fool anyone here. I'm sorry if it came across that way.

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:37 PM

You did not says "is Patrick cheating?".

You led a witch hunt for personal reasons. I'm not going to argue it with you anymore. You have tried to get people to believe you have hard facts, of which you have none.

And you misunderstood what I meant by "elaborate scheme". It's elaborate, but I never called it big. Don't flatter yourself. It's a one man operation and a joke. I'm done arguing with you.

Keep trying to fool everyone with identity changes. You've almost got us now!

FOSCO

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:38 PM

I ask that Chris from PCA keeps my identity anonymous.

Hey Ferf. I will paypal you a twenty spot for this info. Just for shitz and giggles.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0302/gallery.simpsons.characters/gallery.krusty.jpg

Fosco 8)

ferg

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:39 PM

If I had hard facts I would have provided them.

Err...then why bring it up...particularly in the manner that you did? Why put NLO in the subject? Why are you SO concerned with NLO?

I'm with JimK (and if you look back, you'll see I've said this repeatedly on here)...who cares? PCA voting??? I mean - really...

People - it's EFFING PODCASTING!!!

It's fun.

I just can't figure where someone has enough time on their hands to try to single someone out and accuse them of cheating. It happens from time to time...actually, come to think of it, I was accused of that once...I do find it curious that the accuser was one of the potential "two" Patrick mentioned.

What I find really, really bizarre, though, is this:

While I find it bizarre that anyone would give two flying hoots about getting votes here...It is INFINITELY more bizarre that someone would care SO MUCH about the fact that SOMEBODY ELSE is getting votes, that they start a thread who's subject is basically accusing them of cheating.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:47 PM

A quote from Patrick:You did not says "is Patrick cheating?".

First of all, the name of the thread is "Is "Nobody Likes Onions" Cheating?"

Emphasis on the "IS".

In my first entry i said this:

"I don't know if they are cheating their way to the top for sure, "

And then I listed what led me to believe that you were.

If you're not, then let it go. I'm done accusing you here.

If I am shown any more evidence that leads be to believe that you ARE cheating, I will bring it up again. I'm not going to stand for cheating. I don't care what you think my intentions are. It's not just NLO - I will go after any show that I think is scumming up the alley.

The reason today's post was on NLO is because they happen to be the only show in the top ten with suspicions.

Innocent people don't usually tend to be suspicious. If ANY show was in the top ten and differed as much as NLO does with the other nine, I would be on their asses as well.

Thank you and good day!

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:56 PM

Quoting Fosco:

Hey Ferf. I will paypal you a twenty spot for this info. Just for shitz and giggles.

PCA can not disclose any of my information with anyone. It is against the law.

This is a direct quote from the agreement when registering to this message board:

"As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent...."

Your request for my information has been recorded, and legal actions will be taken if disclosure occurs.

FOSCO

Oct 13th, 2005, 09:59 PM

Hittman

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:01 PM

When a newbie first comes to PCA, they will most likely check out the top ten, and give a listen to the shows listed there.

Absolutely true, but meaningless in the long run.

When I first heard of podcasting I came here, and Ipodder, and downloaded a bunch of shows from the top ten. I found one or two that remained in my podcatcher. The rest were ho hum, whatâ€™s for dinner, and so I started rooting through directories looking for stuff that would interest me, and found more stuff than I have time to listen to.

So yes, initially, being in the top ten will make a difference. But in the long run (which, in this business, is a week or two), not so much.

It's worth it to expose someone that may be corrupt. If it takes me giving him 100 more listeners to stop him from getting 1,000 more in the future, then that is what I'll do.

And you were given the Netcop badge when?

I really donâ€™t give a flying feck (I like that word, but resent having to use it) how many listeners he gets. Or you get. Or anyone else gets. I care about how many listeners I get. Itâ€™s not a zero sum game â€“ if someone gets more listeners though chicanery that doesnâ€™t diminish my numbers by a single download.

I used to think that 80% of the worldâ€™s problems were caused by people minding other peopleâ€™s business. Iâ€™ve recently realized I was wrong â€“ itâ€™s more like 90%. If everyone would MYOB weâ€™d all be far, far better off, in every aspect of our lives.

If I had hard facts I would have provided them.

So you just come in here slinging accusations around, while cowering behind a cloak of anonymity? Nice.

Proving who this really is might be easy, if theyâ€™re using broadband, because this place records everyoneâ€™s IP address.

Ferg, you must be cheating. I have no proof, of course, but if your show is getting downloaded more than mine, or ranked higher than mine on any list, anywhere, well, CHEATER!

Yeah, yeah, thatâ€™s the ticket. Everyone with a higher ranking than me, or more downloads, is either cheating or lying about their numbers. I think Iâ€™ll start a thread, maybe a fresh one for every single cheating show. That sure will be easier than trying to create a compelling podcast.

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:02 PM

Hey Fosco, if he takes legal action, you'll find out who he is.

He is so full of ****.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:03 PM

Not a pussy - I just wish to remain anonymous. That is a right I have.

I just don't want my organizations name attached with any thing I say here. Is that so wrong?

I'm sure you don't give out your home address on YOUR website do you? Are you a pussy for that?

Please respect each others rights.

quoting Patrick: Hey Fosco, if he takes legal action, you'll find out who he is.

He is so full of ****.

He would already know who I was if PCA disclosed it with him. I am not saying I would take action before I was defamed.

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:13 PM

You're an idiot.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:16 PM

Quoting some guy who posted here on page 3:
Ferg, you must be cheating. I have no proof, of course, but if your show is getting downloaded more than mine, or ranked higher than mine on any list, anywhere, well, CHEATER!

Air Ferg is a good, honest man. He would never cheat. He doesnt have a cheating bone in his body.

Proving who this really is might be easy, if theyâ€™re using broadband, because this place records everyoneâ€™s IP address.

Once again, under law, PCA cannot disclose any personal information of mine without my consent.

If you read the user agreement prior to registering for this message board, you will understand that.

Thank you,

Gustaphaaha

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:17 PM

You're an idiot.

You're obese.

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:18 PM

I'm losing weight - I doubt you're getting smarter.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:19 PM

I am taking night classes.

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:20 PM

It's obvious that Patrick doesn't like vegetables.

http://patrickmelton.com/pmsmall.gif

You should change the name of the show to "Everybody Likes Hotdogs"

Concerned Listener

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:23 PM

Sorry - that was silly of me.

Why do people use Emoticons? They seems so gay?

AaronfromQC

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:40 PM

Listen to The Big Show, show #41 is up and running. This has been you "has absolutely nothing to do with this post, post."

www.bigshowradio.com

Patrick

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:54 PM

I'm starting to like Aaron more and more.

kickasspodcast

Oct 13th, 2005, 10:59 PM

Listen to The Big Show, show #41 is up and running. This has been you "has absolutely nothing to do with this post, post."

www.bigshowradio.com

Totally Agree-

http://kickasspodcast.com/aaron_header.gif

Jack B.

joelthecomic

Oct 14th, 2005, 12:33 AM

I agree with Concerned Listener. It seems Patrick cooks the books at iTunes and on here. I believe he's done that to promote his show, and it's worked for him. Patrick's show is more popular than it would have been without the cheating, but it's still popular. It's like saying "is it wrong for a man to steal bread to feed his family?". I know that analogy sucks 'cause a podcast's popularity ain't life and death, but you get the drift.

Here's an old comedy expression that may apply here. It goes something like this: "Comedy is like sex. Everybody lies about where they've done it, how long they can do it for, and who they've done it with". I think that applies to Patrick and many podcasters. Everyone lies, so it's OK if I do too.

It is interesting to note that the guys who are so willing to post their "huge numbers" always seem to be full of **** anyway. I'm going to seem like dick here, but Derek from Skepticality was the king of that until, well you know. He could never back up his numbers he'd post here all the time when we called him on it.

So yeah, Patrick's off iTunes. Wonder why? It's not a god-given right to be listed there. You violate their terms of service - goodbye.

I'd actually like to say goodbye to Patrick from everywhere. I used to stand-up for the guy because he's a HUGE fan of our show (make your fat jokes now), and wrote me personally when he started NLO. I never liked or disliked his show, I more didn't care either way, but our fans CONSTANTLY talk about how much it sucks. That didn't bother me, but his behavior recently on this forum and on our own forums has. He's really comes off as a jerk - and an unfunny jerk at that. And that's coming from a guy who'll openly admit to being a dick sometimes on here and my partner can be complete a-hole.

There's just nothing productive, Pat. I think you should stop going around quoting your BS numbers and work on your show (or your stand-up). Maybe one day you'll DESERVE to be #1. And that comes from a guy who's like #114!

Corey and myself aren't modest about it - we think we do a great show. Look at my sig. But one thing we don't do, is say we're better than anyone because of our subscriber count, iTunes ranking or our votes here. The proof is in the listen dude, and with your show it just ain't there.

Goodbye.

Concerned Listener

Oct 14th, 2005, 01:11 AM

Joel -

I've noticed these posts - where people are bragging about huge numbers. But they're always giving numbers that are much higher than their alexa rankings show.

And the shows that are legitimate, have rankings that represent their number of downloads accurately.

It's just weird that shows are created, and in a few months, with no advertising, all of a sudden become these HUGE shows, with 10's of thousands of listeners.

Also - all of these shows somehow are not able to obtain advertisers. If they had the numbers that they claim to have, why wouldn't people be paying for ad space? And don't tell me that all of these shows just dont WANT advertisers - come on. Everyone would like to make money off of their show - it's crazy if yo wouldnt.

So there are all of these little fishy things going on. Someone's gonna get caught out eventually.

Concerned Listener

Oct 14th, 2005, 02:02 AM

A new discovery -

In "the corey and joel radio show" forums, I found a post from Patrick:

"We have like 9,000 listeners. I haven't even mailed out to my mailing list to ask them to vote for October yet and we're in the top ten."

On PCA forums he claims to have 10,000 listeners - but he probably got the other 1,000 a few days after he wrote that.

You can read more at this post:

http://www.coreyandjoelradio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10&start=0

Concerned Listener

Oct 14th, 2005, 02:16 AM

One more thing -

Patrick keeps bragging about how he's a "stand up comedian". First of all, it's highly unlikely that Patrick is a big fan of "standing up". Have you seen him lately?

http://www.coreyandjoelradio.com/forum/images/avatars/924894661434419c210b7a.gif

Second of all, anyone can be a "stand up" comedian. It's probably easier than having a podcast. Remember, just because you title yourself, does not mean you have the talent.( I'm not saying "stand up comedy is easy to do - but I'm saying anyone can physically do it. )

Patrick is a podcaster - no one said he's a GOOD podcaster. Patrick is a stand up comic. Well, anyone can go to an open mic and try to tell jokes. Has anyone ever heard rumors that Patrick was a GOOD stand up comic? I Havn't.

I wonder how many shows Patrick has actually done (stand up wise).

You'd think you'd see his name on the net on websites promoting his standup. When I do searches for Patrick, I dont seem to find much about any upcoming events.

Barefoot Radio.com

Oct 14th, 2005, 04:32 AM

Hey Patrick,

This is PAUL VINCENT SAURINI from BAREFOOT RADIO.

NO, I don't need to hide behind another screename to proclaim that you're LIKELY a cheater. YES, I believe you are. I have no proof, but a firm belief. In fact, just because I don't think it's wise to piss off a twat like you I decided not to pursue bothering you. However since you think I'm the architect of this thread I guess I have to chime in.

Sorry to PCA for this, but Patrick is a gigantic jerk. I know this isn't supposed to be a bash fest forum, but Patrick alluded that I may be the person who started this thread.

It's totally personal when I say you're an *****le. I care about integrity and you don't. GO F-YOURSELF.

The truth is my god **** mother ****ing business!

MMMM.....BEER BEER BEER. DONE!

Patrick

Oct 14th, 2005, 06:12 AM

If you know how to read, Paul - I know that's a stretch, with you being shoeless and all - you'd see where I actually said I don't think it's you.

Paul is mad at me because my show is more successful. It's understandable. Anyone that knows anything about psychology can put that together. He has gone so far as to email me pretending to be other people, IM me on AIM constantly provoking me, and even prank call my cell phone over and over. I've dont none of the above, and have refused to even react to his childish activities. So who is the jerk? Who is the *****le, Paul? I'm confused.

As for Corey, well, I couldn't have asked for a better example of my points or beliefs. I'm a sucky podcaster, a sucky comedian, and I'm fat. Sounds just like "Concerned Listener", doesn't it?

For the record, I've been on stage plenty. I'm not an open mic comic. I'm a professional. I work. There are plenty of people in the podcasting world - some of whom I haven't always gotten along with - who have come out to see my act and then admitted I'm pretty **** hilarious. It means nothing to you, because you'll continue to hide behind your mask of insecurity and jealousy, but that's a recipe for self-implosion. Keep worrying about all the podcasts out there better than yours.

podcastrant.com

Oct 14th, 2005, 06:20 AM

**** am I going to be unpopular or what?

I am one of the "people" who voted this month and votes every month for Patrick.I think his show is funny.

I first encountered Patrick in the yahoo podcasting discussion group when I first got into podcasting. I thought he was an *****le. It seemed like he would say some of the most rude things and then fall back on the "It's just a joke" song and dance.

For that I wouldn't listen to his show for a long time and had preconceived notions of what Patrick was all about. Finally I listened to his show and I laughed my *** off. I was still wary of Patrick due to my "history" and would try to find ways in my own head not to like the show. I subscribed and stayed with it and with each show those thoughts faded away.

You can't get someone's personality or intent through email and/or forums. A lot of times sarcasm and ribbing does not translate well. Yes Patrick says some rude and hurtful things to people that are not meant as jokes but a lot of the time he says exactly what I was thinking.

As Patrick said in a previous interview he majored in Marketing. That makes a lot of sense. His show is very slick with consistent intros, transistions, segments and progression of shows. I think a lot of people talk crap about the show for that reason alone. This is podcasting, we're not supposed to sound professional right? To me if it's engaging I don't give a **** what it sounds like. That argument is like the one where you stop liking your favorite band when they get on the radio/MTV. Yes I know Patrick doesn't have any sponsers or mainstream exposure yet so don't come back with, "Yeah but a favorite band is making money blah blah blah".

I know a lot of podcasters who love Patrick's show. You're not going to like everyone and it's ok not to like Patrick and his show.

This is just my opinion. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I just saw Patrick getting beat up pretty bad and thought I'd add my differing point of view since these are supposed to be discussion boards.

Aren't they?

Hollywood Adam

Oct 14th, 2005, 07:20 AM

I can't believe I wasted 15 minutes of my day reading this. I love everyone. *KISSES*

PupuStudios

Oct 14th, 2005, 07:21 AM

If one has multiple personalities, would each personality count as a separate vote?

SFEley

Oct 14th, 2005, 08:17 AM

Two points, the first of which is important:

It is interesting to note that the guys who are so willing to post their "huge numbers" always seem to be full of **** anyway. I'm going to seem like dick here, but Derek from Skepticality was the king of that until, well you know. He could never back up his numbers he'd post here all the time when we called him on it.

1.) Derek wasn't lying about his numbers. I know this for a fact.

2.) With this thread, the Podcast Alley forums are now unambiguously a cesspool. While you all are enjoying your incestuous mud-slinging and fatuous group groping, newcomers to podcasting are going to take one look at this place and wonder why the hell it was ever written up in the press as a resource.

Life is short. You all Have Fun.

Version3

Oct 14th, 2005, 08:34 AM

I am adding a portion of another one of my posts from a different thread, as it relates directly to the issue being discussed here.

On to a bit of seriousness. It's not within the rules for a registered member to setup a duplicate account, particularly for the purpose of starting an intentionally inflammatory thread. How about if you just be a man and post as yourself, or just discontinue using this new fake profile?

<just as an observer>
By the way: if Patrick's cast ratings and subscriber numbers were solely based on cheating, then he would have to have setup a LOT of fake accounts on his forum too. His show forum is bigger than most show forums in terms of registered members. I can tell you from having a much smaller subscriber base (listen to Vox Monitor show 59 to see their probably accurate take on why) that the number of people that will sign up and give you feedback on your show forum is a very small percentage. If his very small percentage of forum registrations are bigger than most shows... is it possible that his numbers might be that huge too?

Does it really affect the content or quality of your show? Cheating = bad. Yes. Good, you remember what mom taught you, but pages of debate about 1 podcaster doing it?

Let's get back to actually talking about podcasting before PCA is a ghost town. Bad idea? Really?

jeffoest

Oct 14th, 2005, 08:44 AM

I can't believe I wasted 15 minutes of my day reading this. I love everyone. *KISSES*

Man - I'm with you Adam. 15 minutes of my life gone. And I learned nothing except there are a lot of competitive podcasters out there obsessed with the small stuff.

coreytronic

Oct 14th, 2005, 08:54 AM

This is certainly the funniest thing youâ€™ve ever been involved with Patrick. Let me state this in no uncertain terms: I AM NOT â€œ A concerned listenerâ€. To do that I would have to be a listener first. It is true that we have questioned NLOâ€™s stats and claims before and have taken a few jabs at Patrick on our show, but heâ€™s taken far less abuse than Ferg, who actually seems like a decent guy on these boards. Patrick is a blowhard, just take a cursory glance around here or come to our forums where he talks a bunch of **** and is routinely smacked around like a retarded crack whore by our fans. Patrick has often attempted to lure me into a flame war and Iâ€™m just not taking the bait. Sorry dude. I do know that he listens to our show and likes it, unfortunately I canâ€™t say the same for NLO.
As to the notion of â€œcheatingâ€ itâ€™s not as if Pat has the market cornered, around April of this year it was an epidemic, with many shows sporting unrealistic vote to comment ratios and totals that were never reached again. Was this an anomaly, a quirk, or something sinister? Who knows? Who cares? Just go try and make your shows better.

Patrick

Oct 14th, 2005, 09:01 AM

We all believe you, Corey.

Your fans smacked me down? No. You have one fan that tries to, but makes himself look like a moron because I don't argue with him.

Quite a little fantasy world you guys have built up for yourselves. "We know comedy, no one else does, everyone better than us cheats, blah blah blah."

coreytronic

Oct 14th, 2005, 09:31 AM

Honest to Jesus It wasn't me. I have never, ever been shy about ripping someone publicly, here or anywhere else and if I really wanted to smack you around I would come right out and do it straight up. I would also have to care enough to make an avatar, and put up dozens of posts, and frankly I'm just too apathetic.

Patrick

Oct 14th, 2005, 09:37 AM

I never said it was you.

I said you guys have built up quite a little fantasy world where you say all those things to yourself. I know you say them, because you say them all the time.

The only reason your show is so long is because half of the time you spend putting down better shows than yours to make yourselves feel better. You guys are the only middle-aged failures I see. Your show is good. I enjoy it. The bashing every other comedy podcast out of pure insecurity is childish and distracts from your show.

Say whatever you want now, probably a show attack or a fat joke. I'm done arguing with low-rent mid-western comics who can't come to terms with reality.

coreytronic

Oct 14th, 2005, 10:01 AM

You did say it was me or Joel.

"I've been accused of cheating by two people - the two I listed - and you're one of them. No one else. Any other posts on any other sites is all part of some crazy elaborate scheme of yours to become the next Watergate, but you're too stupid to realize that no one cares.

I bet you're begging for your identity to be secret now. You know I know you're one of those two people.

Keep trying to fool everyone. You've almost got it"

Keep on backpeddling, keep on flinging the mud.

Hittman

Oct 14th, 2005, 10:01 AM

Second of all, anyone can be a "stand up" comedian. It's probably easier than having a podcast.
Ever try it?

Iâ€™ve done every kind of performing art except dance. I tried standup after successfully performing comedy music for ten years. There is nothing harder on stage. Nothing comes close.

The only reason your show is so long is because half of the time you spend putting down better shows than yours to make yourselves feel better. You guys are the only middle-aged failures I see. Your show is good. I enjoy it. The bashing every other comedy podcast out of pure insecurity is childish and distracts from your show.
There are only two ways to feel good about yourself.

The first is to accomplish things. Big things, little things, all kind of things. You can look back on your successes and failures and accomplishments and feel good about yourself.

The second is to put other people down, to pretend youâ€™re better than them. There is a common term for such people: Losers. In the past, they used racism and homophobia to puff themselves up, but thatâ€™s no longer fashionable, so they find other things to bash people for. And in nearly every case, the people they are bashing are far better human beings than they are.

My first and last exposure to the Cory and Joel show was their ignorant attack on Skeptically, one of the best and most respected shows out there. It was obvious they had nothing of value to offer themselves, and tried to make up for their shortcomings by bashing people who were far better at the craft than they could ever hope to be.

Concerned Listener, cowering behind anonymity, falls into the same category.

Hereâ€™s a free clue for such losers: Instead of bashing those who are better than you, learn from them and accomplish something yourself. Anything, anything at all. Youâ€™ll find itâ€™s a much more satisfying source of self esteem. And as a side effect, you might earn some respect from other people, instead of the derision you so rightly deserve.

ferg

Oct 14th, 2005, 10:09 AM

Ferg has his feedburner stats disabled. Is he cheating? Lot of people do. It's a option.

True...disabling the feedcount (which, I believe is actually disabled by default) is certainly no indication of foul play.

However, I have re-enabled it for my feed, for anyone who really cares. I disabled it sometime ago, because I was running 2 feeds - 1 for iTunes and 1 for everything else...since my iTunes traffic was significant (not in the grand scheme of things, but in comparison to my other traffic), the feedburner number was meaningless.

I've also posted on these forums exactly what my stats are.

joelthecomic

Oct 14th, 2005, 10:22 AM

Patrick,

This is Joel, BTW, but you know very well that we haven't bashed other podcasters on our show in a really long time. We have special mailing list-only feature called "Your Podcast Sucks" dedicated just for that. While there's thousands of lousy shows to choose from it takes a special kind of a-hole to bring out the best in us. We've done 3 already. Guess who's #4? I really don't think your podcast sucks that bad, but your behavior on this board and others makes you the true jerkoff of jerkoffs.

It's funny how people choose to defend you when all you do is tear other people apart. When Corey and I criticize someone or something, at least we have reasons for it, not to mention that we're funny doing it. It does not come from insecurity. We know we have a good show, you agree as do others from around the world who've emailed us. Real insecurity is someone who goes around bragging about their "9,000" or "10,000" subscribers as way of proving how great their show is.

Personally, I think Patrick is a cancer to any forum, or medium he touches. I'd love to see him leave this forum forever and exist in his own land of the "10,000" fans. There's certainly little of anything productive anyone gets from his posts or ramblings. To Version 3 or whomever, I know this post wasn't constructive at all, but at least consider the topic. There's real, cogent arguments for how Patrick has exploited a system that we've all voluntarily subscribed to (ie PCA, iTunes), and a ban from this place would certainly help us all.

I agree that anonymous posting isn't cool. Corey or I are NOT the "Concerned Listener", but we are concerned that one bad apple, Patrick, can spoil the whole bunch. We like these forums, and would like them better without Mr. NLO.

Anyone who wants to hear future (or past) editions of "Your Podcast Sucks" should sign up for our mailing list here:
http://www.coreyandjoelradio.com/archives/2005/03/join_the_corey.html

Version3

Oct 14th, 2005, 10:35 AM

I was really just noting that we know it, and probably should move on. While as you said your post may not be the most constructive, the same could be applied to the thread. But, I don't think it's really come to a point where the thread itself is going to be worked over for anyone's actions here. The fake account is NOT Corey or Joel. I can verify that. It's also not Patrick. The fake account is the only real violation of rules worth noting that I see here, and so far nothing else has gone on since that fact was brought up... so I don't expect to be doing anything to this thread.

As for your request and points made Joel, I don't have the ability to decide, much less actually ban anyone. But at least you delivered your opinion based on your onsite and offsite experiences with the guy, and not completely pointless flaming.

But seriously, don't we all have new shows to go pimp in the New Show Announcements section? :D

Marius

Oct 14th, 2005, 10:48 AM

I have to say, that i think "Nobody likes onions" is a very good podcast. Patrick comes off as the second meanest guy in the forum (second only to the starkcast guy) but once i listened to his pocast i realised that his posts were very misleading as to what kind of person he is.

Patrick, don't take forum people too seriously. In my experience the community of a forum for anything which is external the forum itself (such as the official forum for a video game, or a band, or podcasting in general) is in large part composed of people who are naturally grumpy or disagreeable. It is their grumpyness that gives them the initiative to keep posting when other people are too busy listening to actual podcasts. People who post here are naturally going to be more negative than your average podcast consumer and nothing you say or do will make them happy because many of the complainers are naturally unhappy anyways.

So keep podcasting and don't worry what anybody says here. :)

joelthecomic

Oct 14th, 2005, 10:56 AM

As for your request and points made Joel, I don't have the ability to decide, much less actually ban anyone. But at least you delivered your opinion based on your onsite and offsite experiences with the guy, and not completely pointless flaming.

But seriously, don't we all have new shows to go pimp in the New Show Announcements section? :D

I agree with the new announcement thing, but the link is in context here and would be out of context there. I pimp in that section all the time, that's my block.

If you can't ban Patrick, at least a call for civility from any long-time users or podcasters might change his tune. I know we're his podcasting role models, so maybe he'll change. I'm calling for civility. Civility rules.

ferg

Oct 14th, 2005, 11:22 AM

We have special mailing list-only feature called "Your Podcast Sucks" dedicated just for that.

Regardless of any dealings I've had with you guys in the past, I think I actually have to commend you for this. I think this is a smart thing to do. Any discussions about who's good and bad in this forum seems kind of silly to me, as that's such a subjective thing. I mean, there's a reason Gallagher! is a multi-millionaire. However, people who like your podcast probably aren't going to like the podcasts you don't like, and will appreciate hearing you rip them. Making it a mailing-list only feature makes even more sense, as these people are more than likely true fans.

As much as it pains me to say it - I think we can learn a lesson from Corey and Joel here... (****** - a pain shot through my spine as I typed that).

... at least a call for civility from any long-time users or podcasters might change his tune. I know we're his podcasting role models, so maybe he'll change. I'm calling for civility. Civility rules.

Agreed, regarding civility (argh. There it goes again).

Patrick

Oct 14th, 2005, 11:43 AM

This is Joel, BTW, but you know very well that we haven't bashed other podcasters on our show in a really long time. We have special mailing list-only feature called "Your Podcast Sucks" dedicated just for that.

You're full of ****. You bash other shows on every one of your shows. I challenge you to find a show where you don't bash Ferg and his wife. This is true right up until the last episode of yours I've heard - #33 or #34.

We've done 3 already. Guess who's #4? I really don't think your podcast sucks that bad, but your behavior on this board and others makes you the true jerkoff of jerkoffs.

I would love to be #4. Nothing like publicity. So my podcast isn't that bad, but you chose me for your personal opinion of me. Thanks for openly admitting your segment is just a sham dictated by politics and arbitrary opinions. I'm looking forward to it either way.

When Corey and I criticize someone or something, at least we have reasons for it, not to mention that we're funny doing it. It does not come from insecurity.

To say it's funny is your opinion. I think it takes a lot away from your otherwise funny show.

It most definitely comes from insecurity and jealousy. No doubt.

Real insecurity is someone who goes around bragging about their "9,000" or "10,000" subscribers as way of proving how great their show is.

I've never bragged or been inconsistent with my numbers. You asked how I could get so many votes on your show, so I told you in a private email that they were legit because we had over 9000 listeners. The following week on Podcast Alley I said we had nearly 10,000 listeners. Those two numbers don't conflict. Over 9,000 and almost 10,000 are the same, are they not?

Finally, suggesting a ban is the best piece of comedy to ever spew from your mouth. Good show.

ferg

Oct 14th, 2005, 11:45 AM

ferg

Oct 14th, 2005, 11:47 AM

I've never bragged or been inconsistent with my numbers. You asked how I could get so many votes on your show, so I told you in a private email that they were legit because we had over 9000 listeners. The following week on Podcast Alley I said we had nearly 10,000 listeners. Those two numbers don't conflict. Over 9,000 and almost 10,000 are the same, are they not?

Finally, suggesting a ban is the best piece of comedy to ever spew from your mouth. Good show.

Yah, I'm not sure I get this. I've heard some off-the-cuff mentions of numbers for NLO, but it's not like they make a big deal out of it or anything. Maybe I'm just not paying attention.

coreytronic

Oct 14th, 2005, 12:38 PM

Gee, Ferg you've been so sensible and even backed us up a bit on this board, so I'm almost ashamed to mention that the second edition of "Your Podcast Sucks" is dedicated to Air Ferg. Of course we also did one on PK and J though we've never had a personal dust up with them [just their webmaster], and I don't think I've ever read a post from either of them on PCA. We don't do those segements soley out of personal vendetta, we do it to entertain our audience and ourselves. Being a dick only helps bring you to our attention.

kickasspodcast

Oct 14th, 2005, 01:13 PM

Here guys... these might help...

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Have Fun~

Jack B.

ferg

Oct 14th, 2005, 01:33 PM

Gee, Ferg you've been so sensible and even backed us up a bit on this board, so I'm almost ashamed to mention that the second edition of "Your Podcast Sucks" is dedicated to Air Ferg.

It would be kind of hypocritical of me to commend you for moving that stuff to your podcast (and even more...to a mailing list only feature), then be pissed because I'm the subject of it, wouldn't it?

Besides, I'm very aware of your opinion of my show, so it comes as no surprise. I think that was my point...people that like your show probably won't like my show and would enjoy hearing you rip on me. Then there's also the fact that I'm an attention whore and enjoy the fact that anyone's talking about me, regardless of what they're saying...

On the other hand...what's up with #2 ??
I mean, hell, if you're gonna blast me, at least give me the distinction of being the first!

djacobs003

Oct 14th, 2005, 04:53 PM

Wow, I'm amazed at the amount of time and energy some of you have put into this topic. Don't you have better things to do....like podcast?

I agree with Jimk, who cares! PA voting is so over.

But if you would like, you can add me to your Podcast Pickle favorites! :wink:

Concerned Listener

Oct 14th, 2005, 05:09 PM

There were way too many posts on here for me to read - so I kinda just skimmed through them.

Bottom line America - Patrick is obese. And we all know obese people ALWAYS cheat.

Corey and Joel have a better show than 95% of podcasters out there. The reason they arn't popular at PCA, is because PCA is mostly formulated of overweight, middle-aged, tech-heads - who think Leo Laporte is the hottest thing around.

Lemme tell ya something about Leo - he's an old man with a gut, who lives in a shitty rented house, and does a mediocre podcast at best in his messy studio.

NLO is a bunch of edited clips put together. Patrick probably spends the entire week piecing together his one hour attempt at a show.

As for Patrick doing stand up - there isn't a stage in this country that can hold that much weight. Patrick exceeds weight limits from city to city.

Everyone in this forum besides Corey and Joel has a shitty show - bottom line.

Podcast alley has about 7,918 podcast - seriously, only 10 of them are good. And only 1 of them is actually on the top ten.

You guys all need to realize that all though you enjoy you're little online hobby - you still lack the talent. This isn't for you. All you have succeeded in doing is washing out the GOOD podcasts with your overflow of crap.

Take your radio shack recites, and go return your equipment. Start getting out in life, start a family - do something!

If I'm 40 years old, and typing in online forums and doing a podcast for no money - I will take a gun and kill myself.

I will never be able to convince any of you - because your each as sheltered as the next. Fat, old losers doing shows - just embarrassing.

That podcast expo of yours is gonna be one nasty smelling, rouges gallery of obese slobs. If I were the governor of California i would quarentine the expo, and have all of you taken to an island somewhere.

I was reading an earlier post from Red Barn Radio and he said:

"I hope some kind of terror attack or natural disaster hits at the podcast expo. It would get rid of all the wanna-be's and liars."

That sums it up perfectly.

Ok slobs - go at it. Start you're typing now.....

Concerned Listener

Oct 14th, 2005, 05:15 PM

Here's a list of the podcasts that suck and should be destroyed:

1. Starkcast

2. Any show with the word "cast" in it's title

3. The MacCast

4. Ancestor Podiobook

5. Soccergirl, Incorporat...

6. The Dawn and Drew Show...

7. PotterCast

8. Nobody Likes Onions

9. this WEEK in TECH

10. Distorted View

11. MuggleCast

12. Pro Wrestling Torch Po...

13. Inside Mac Radio

14. the Signal - Firefly &...

15. Catholic Insider - (a must!)

16. Cinecast

17. Geek News Central

18. Pod-Porn

19. Diggnation - (2 gays discussing hardware - wow)

20. tips from the top floo...

21. ScreenCastsOnline

22. Feast of Fools

23. VGDJ: The Official Ove...

24. BoltTalk

25. Fox and the City

26. Raider Nation Podcast

27. Dailysonic, An MP3zine

28. Craft Beer Radio

29. AKC - Total Talk Nonse...

30. Daily Source Code

31. Tom Corven

32. The PK and J Show: Je...

33. Nate and Di Show

34. retroCRUSH

35. The Word Nerds

36. Coverville

37. Top Of The Pods

38. Science@NASA Feature S...

39. Squadcast

40. The Bitterest Pill

41. The Zedcast

42. tartanpodcast - 1st mu...

43. CoffeeGeek Podcast

44. Comic Geek Speak

45. Croncast - Kristopher ...

46. Spacemusic

47. The Overnightscape

48. Hate the Radio

49. podcast411 (I've never heard a worse host)

50. HDTV and Home Theater ...

I must say I havn't heard most of these, but I'm sure they blow - you really only need to hear the first 2 seconds to know.

If you have poor audio quality - you're done. Don't waste my time.

(by the way - this is all for entertainment purposes - none of this is real - just an act. Theatre of the mind kinda stuff. Enjoy)