Should PCA list Hate Podcasts - the off topic debate - MOVED

[Version3]

Split from topic "Should PCA list Hate Podcasts" - Poll

In response to a post on original thread, Version3 wrote:

____original post______

It's likely that there are far better topics to post on that help podcasting or give people a general sense of enjoyment from being on this podcast related website. This thread however is just bait for others to come send things spiraling out of control and off topic.

Let's keep it respectful. Let's decide to vote, don't vote or offer up a helpful comment. If none of these are possible, moving on to the next thread may be the best choice for you.

[Patrick]

It's likely that there are far better topics to post on that help podcasting or give people a general sense of enjoyment from being on this podcast related website. This thread however is just bait for others to come send things spiraling out of control and off topic.

Let's keep it respectful. Let's decide to vote, don't vote or offer up a helpful comment. If none of these are possible, moving on to the next thread may be the best choice for you.

You're the first one I see in this thread posting something off topic.

Take your own advice.

[SFEley]

You're the first one I see in this thread posting something off topic.
Take your own advice.
He's a moderator. He's doing his job.

[Patrick]

Doing his job? No, sir. He is not.

Coming in a thread where everyone is dicussing the topic at hand and saying people are going to start to get off topic is not moderating. It's being a jerk.

Look at how off-topic we've gotten just because of him.

[Version3]

It's okay to disagree...

I think history has already proven that no matter how many placed this subject is started, it will degrade to name calling and disrespectful posting. If someone thinks I'm being a jerk, I'm okay with them having that opinion of me. If I'm actually being a jerk, let Chris know, and he can take care of that for you. However at least one of the posts on this thread prior to my recommendation is a slippery slope to disrespectful posting. I didn't edit/delete/or lock anyone. Just wanted to offer my advice as a site member, and a gentle reminder as a moderator to help avoid problems, which is much easier than trying to control them.

[Patrick]

But you weren't offering anything up. You broke every "suggestion" that you posted. You came into a thread where people were voting and expressing their opinions on the topic, without being rude, and you took it off topic.

You came in and essentially said "Stop posting here, there are more important topics, someone is going to get off topic here."

That's not what I call being a good moderator. You took it off topic - no one else.

[SFEley]

Coming in a thread where everyone is dicussing the topic at hand and saying people are going to start to get off topic is not moderating. It's being a jerk.
It's being proactive. After four replies, people had already gotten to the point of insulting Tinkoff for asking the question. I mean, I disagreed with the guy, but "Go start your own hippie directory, nyahh nyahh" is a bit much.

People get way too passionate about a lot of the subjects here, and there've already been several threads in the past couple weeks on this subject that degenerated quickly into flamewars and personal attacks. Predicting that it could happen in this thread and simply saying "Hey, guys, let's not" doesn't seem unreasonable.

[Patrick]

You're off topic.

[Version3]

That's okay I understand your point. I supposed I felt like a gentle nudge away from posts like


If 'hate' is what Tinkoff hates, then why doesn't Tinkoff start up his own directory and call it Tinkoff's Love Pods?


Good luck with that, Tinkoff.

might help more than it would hurt. Perhaps folks only want a person who happens to be a moderator to be involved with something bad happens?

Since although that's not a violation of rules, it IS however bait for others to get into a fight rather than debate as has been proven more times than I can count around here lately. I didn't exercise any moderator role on this thread, nor did I have any intention to. Peer reminders and posting about being nice, having fun and all basically getting along should be enough for all of us. It's only when it's not that the moderator role should even come into play.

It does trouble me that once someone has moderator attached to their nick, this community no longer wishes to include them as 'just one of the guys'. Make no mistake, I'm just like the rest of you... I'm just helping out where I can.

Now of course since everyone is pitching in to help explain their view on the situation it is of course actually off topic. Amazing how that works eh?

[SFEley]

You're off topic.
I've never bothered to keep track of the times I've seen you belabor a conversation with hostility, then short-circuit it the moment someone says something you can't argue with, but I'm just going to call this one "twelve" and start keeping score.

[Patrick]

You're off topic.

[spartacusroosevelt]

That's okay I understand your point. I supposed I felt like a gentle nudge away from posts like


If 'hate' is what Tinkoff hates, then why doesn't Tinkoff start up his own directory and call it Tinkoff's Love Pods?


Good luck with that, Tinkoff.



Upfront, White Power folks are below meth addicts and above morning DJs in my list of people I want to associate with.

But the question the schwienhund asks is the relevant one. Who decides what is over the line is as relevant to the discussion as anything else in that thread.

[jimk]

I see the new foreman is toeing the company line nicely...overstepping the bounds of good moderation by getting on the contributing community members while protecting the pedos and skinheads.

Well done! Chris will be proud, as will Master Adam.

[Version3]

Wow, that was pretty uncalled for.

[Patrick]

If we don't protect the skinheads then who will Jim?

WHO!!!!!!???

[jimk]

Wow, that was pretty uncalled for.

In my opinion, so was your heavy hand, Overseer. I'm just stating my opinion, and I didn't swear or anything!

[Version3]

Speaking of folks getting their facts straight and doing some research, you need to figure out what very limited abilities I have here before you decide that I defend anyone's podcast. I have no say no what's in the directory, I have zero rights there.

Heavy handed would have been invoking any moderator ability... i posted just as anyone else could or would. But rather than posting some STFU post tucked inside of what might look like an intelligent post, you decided to paint me a target just because I'm a new moderator.

I think you are going to find that I am not like anyone else... and I'd rather you bother to know who I am and what I'm about before you attempt to say otherwise.

[jimk]

Speaking of folks getting their facts straight and doing some research, you need to figure out what very limited abilities I have here before you decide that I defend anyone's podcast. I have no say no what's in the directory, I have zero rights there.

Heavy handed would have been invoking any moderator ability... i posted just as anyone else could or would. But rather than posting some STFU post tucked inside of what might look like an intelligent post, you decided to paint me a target just because I'm a new moderator.

I think you are going to find that I am not like anyone else... and I'd rather you bother to know who I am and what I'm about before you attempt to say otherwise.

Telling people what to post before things even went off topic, and then splitting the topic is invoking moderator ability. By definition.

Oh forget it. You're never going to understand. Go. Moderate. I'm sure I'll be gone soon anyway...PCA is about censoring language while protecting kiddie f***ers and white supremacy, so...guy like me, with my mouth? Won't last long I'm sure.

Then you'll be free of my hurtful and hate-filled opinions, Overseer.

[Version3]

I don't get it?

I'm not turning healthy debate into some rediculous mess of borderline rude posts to try and disprove someone. I could have easily delete this part of the thread, but since I know it's enevitable that people are going to have to challenge the new guy, I just figured letting this run while it was a healthy debate and off the original topic would be fine.

But as to the points you think you've made:

Making a recommendation and a reminder to how the forum is supposed to work as outlined in the rules, is not a moderator action. It may be that mostly moderators are doing it, but any responsible member will provide that nudge when it's glaringly obvious. The post that preempted my response, is quite rude and uncalled for, does start down the road of out of control, and was even taken as such by the original thread creator. So, no moderator stuff done there degree of right or wrong in the eyes of the beholder. That's clear cut enough.

Now as for your 'what do you call that' statement, I was accuse of jumping in all high and mighty before I split anything. So what got Patrick all bent out of shape, which is the point I was responding to was not a moderator function.

By the way, in your lame attempts to goof on me with terms like overseer, you might want to note that I intentionally moved this to a forum where I have no rights. Simply to remove moderator abilities for the equation moving forward.

so...guy like me, with my mouth? Won't last long I'm sure.

If you recognize that already, maybe you should take a look at how you treat others here. I'm not a newbie by any means. YOUR opinion of me is of no concern. :)

Well, I'm off. Have fun.

[SFEley]

In my opinion, so was your heavy hand, Overseer. I'm just stating my opinion, and I didn't swear or anything!
Jim, you're venting your spleen on the wrong guy. I think you have a valid point, and I hope you get an answer to it at some point, but your problem is with The Man and you're taking it out on That Dude Over There.

Version3 was just trying to keep things civil. The real irony here is that his attempt to do so was in immediate response to one of the hatemongers, and you've chosen here to jump on the moderator instead of the hatemonger you keep insisting PA ought to be moderating.

[jimk]

In my opinion, so was your heavy hand, Overseer. I'm just stating my opinion, and I didn't swear or anything!
Jim, you're venting your spleen on the wrong guy. I think you have a valid point, and I hope you get an answer to it at some point, but your problem is with The Man and you're taking it out on That Dude Over There.

Version3 was just trying to keep things civil. The real irony here is that his attempt to do so was in immediate response to one of the hatemongers, and you've chosen here to jump on the moderator instead of the hatemonger you keep insisting PA ought to be moderating.\

OK. I can see that.

I apologize V3. I'll keep the proper target in my sights.

[Version3]

No real worries Jim. I'm here to have a good time with podcasters.

BTW: I added your show to my iTunes subscriptions. I've seen a lot of people talk about how good your show is, but I figured anyone with opinions that strong has got to be a great ranter or pretty frickin' funny. I look forward to finding out which. :)

[Hittman]

I see the new foreman is toeing the company line nicely...overstepping the bounds of good moderation by getting on the contributing community members while protecting the pedos and skinheads.

Well done! Chris will be proud, as will Master Adam.

Wow, that was pretty uncalled for.

Yeah, how dare he expose his opinion like that. You’d almost think this was a forum that treats people like adults. The nerve!

See the rather longish post I made elsewhere about moderating. The less you do, the better off you are, and the better off the forum will be.

And if you want the job, you better grow a very thick skin. It’s thankless, even when done correctly.