Should PCA list Hate Podcasts?

[TINKOFF RADIO]

Please share your opinion so the PCA organizers can hear from this community.

[SFEley]

I'm not going to vote on this. The question is invalid. Podcast Alley is privately owned, and I don't believe that claiming it ought to be a democracy will make it any better. Democracy's great for government, and lousy for running a useful small enterprise. By all means express your views and your dissatisfaction, but don't assume any responsibility on the Alley's part to act on it.

Now without voting, here's what I think: Chris isn't creating the podcasts you object to. He isn't writing the objectionable posts. The content may be trash, but if you start taking the stance that all listing services need to police the content they list for morality, the slope starts getting very slippery very quickly. If someone is podcasting or posting material that is actually illegal, contact the FBI.

You all know I complain about Podcast Alley a lot. I said six months ago that the voting system was crap, and I think several months of random downtime has greatly diminished its relevance as an information resource. (Or at least it should have.) There are much better resources for podcasters today.

This, however, is not one of the things wrong with it.

[TINKOFF RADIO]

I hear your points, but as far as I can tell I never claimed PCA to be a democracy or stated that I was for or against this issue. All I did here is ask a question and it's certainly your right to ignore it. I've owned a successful small business - and always found that feedback from the user is very useful. Not suggesting that this poll is a vote for change, just curious to see what the users think.

[Patrick]

This thread and poll is stupid.

The question should be "Should ANY podcasts not be allowed to be in a PODCAST DIRECTORY?"

It's not up to you or me to decided whats inappropriate. It's a directory of podcasts.

Get over it already.

[OuterLimits]

If 'hate' is what Tinkoff hates, then why doesn't Tinkoff start up his own directory and call it Tinkoff's Love Pods?


Good luck with that, Tinkoff.



Cheers,
:lol:

[TINKOFF RADIO]

It's just a question folks, not a statement. You can choose to ignore it.
In regards to GovFire - did I suggest anywhere what you are suggesting? I think not - but I do like the idea. (Although it's all yours)
It is truly is funny that you wish me luck, and underneath it all - I know you are full of love. You are only human. My blessings to you.

[Version3]

Off-topic content split to new thread found here:

http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5125

[jimk]

If a place is going to pretend to have rules about language so as "not to offend," as Chris has stated, then not listing hate podcasts and PODCASTS ABOUT @#$@ING CHILDREN...

Well, that's pretty frigging reasonable. Attacking speech in the form of swearing is RETARDED if you're going to trot out free speech as your defense for listing kiddie f***ers.

Logical consistency. It's a lot better than total hypocrisy.

[Esme]

If by hate podcasts you are referring to the racist and pedophile podcasts then yes I think that they should be listed. I want to be able to choose what I listen to, I don't want anyone filtering stuff out before it gets to me. The net is a place where we can meet up with people that we may profoundly disagree with, argue with them, reason with them, tell them exactly what we think of them, maybe even influence them for the better.

I listened to one episode each of the two controversial podcasts. They were both disturbing although the racist one was just the usual bunch of conspiracy-theorists that America seems to produce by the ****-load. The pedophile podcast was the more disturbing because of their assumption that because children are sexual by nature that it is therefore okay for adults to take advantage of their sexuality for their own gratification. I would like them to do a phone-in with a therapist who works with abused kids so that they can get to hear what the long-term consequences of their exploitation is.

You don't get rid of pedophiles and racists by denying them the right to speak. That only serves to make them more insular, stunted and dangerous and leaves the rest of us with no knowledge of what we're fighting against.

[Hittman]

I can’t vote because the question doesn’t make sense. Hate has as many shades of meaning and interpretation as Love. It’s like asking “should we only let beautiful people into the club?”

What, exactly, is a hate podcast? For instance, in my last podcast, I referred to a specific group of people, who believe a specific thing, as “****ing Idiots.” That’s certainly not loving. Should it be considered hate speech? I’m sure some of the far far lefties, as well as the far far righties I was criticizing, might argue that it was. (Although, since I was making fun of fundamentalist Christians the left would most likely be silent. However, if I dared to criticize fundy Muslims, they’d be up in arms. But I digress…)

IF PA wants to come up with some guidelines, they should be very, very specific. But considering that they’ve left the podcast you’re no doubt referring to in place, I doubt that will happen. And, being an advocate of free speech, I don’t think it should happen, unless the show advocates violence. Threats have never been considered part of free speech.

And I notice, with dismay, that it’s in the top fifty. So yes, commenting on another thread, the voting system here is very seriously screwed up.

Oh well, at least they removed the pedophile podcast, as far as I can tell. (I don’t remember the name, so I might have missed it.) Since that is a direct threat to children, it doesn’t fall under the category of free speech.

[Fueled By Beer Radio]

I can’t vote because the question doesn’t make sense. Hate has as many shades of meaning and interpretation as Love. It’s like asking “should we only let beautiful people into the club?”

Yeah, we should only let beautiful people in. If you're an uggo, who wants to dance with you? Besides, I hate being the wingman that has to jump on the grenade so my buddy can score with a hot chick.

[Will-Casel]

On the latest DSC, Adam Curry said they would pull the listings from PCA and not allow them on the front page of Ipodder.org.

Will

[Bryan D]

I think there are different levels of what may be labeled as hate. However, we all know when white, black or religious fanatics are commenting on hate. There is a difference between racial humor and racial hate. If you do a show that uses racial humor you should offend all races equally. Such as a non-politically correct show.

This is actually a loaded question.

This is a private business and they should be allowed to remove any speech that Podcast Alley does not want to be associated with.

One more thing. Sometimes free speech comes with consequences .

Bryan
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[OuterLimits]

I think there are different levels of what may be labeled as hate. However, we all know when white, black or religious fanatics are commenting on hate. There is a difference between racial humor and racial hate. If you do a show that uses racial humor you should offend all races equally. Such as a non-politically correct show.

This is actually a loaded question.

This is a private business and they should be allowed to remove any speech that Podcast Alley does not want to be associated with.

One more thing. Sometimes free speech comes with consequences .

Bryan
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This has become a real amusing issue, Brian. Didn't you know only Whites can be 'racist'? That's why they came up with 'reverse-racism' 8) Think about it.

And as for this 'private business' jazz, get real people. There are thousands of things 'private businesses' are forced to do in the Kwa. Think about 'Affirmative Action' for a second; but to describe AA in anything but flattering terms is 'hate'. Get it? I hope so. Itz all really simple. Whites are the guilty party and will be for all eternity because they 'never forget'....

You guys are living in a daze. Itz easy to go along and get along with the regime and that's what's been done here. There is no 'high principle' at work. Just tyranny and compliance to it. If we spouted off nonsense like 99% of the podcasts out there, we wouldn't be censored. Our treatment here does nothing but prove our points.

You're free to be clowns. Say anything essential and itz down the memoryhole with you.


Cheers,
:lol:

[X Pat Radio]

They can do whatever they like, they own the site.

[OuterLimits]

They can do whatever they like, they own the site.Adam Curry was blackmailed. Listen to his show from Oct. 5. We'll be covering this in GoyFire #16. The 'freedom' to cave into threats, is the 'freedom' you're talking about.

[X Pat Radio]

They can do whatever they like, they own the site.Adam Curry was blackmailed. Listen to his show from Oct. 5. We'll be covering this in GoyFire #16. The 'freedom' to cave into threats, is the 'freedom' you're talking about.

I listen to all his shows. He can do what he likes if he owns the site, period.