Is Podcast Alley Dead

[Just Some Dude]

It's been a while since I have been on PCA and I have to say things haven't changed much.

Over the past couple of months I've migrated over to other sites to find good podcasts and to be honest I've found most of my most current podcasts on other sites. PCA is bottom of the barrel any more. Too many lame podcasts beg and plead for votes on PCA...WTF is that about. I am so sick of hearing that on podcasts. I am also sick of these podcasts that talk just about podcasting and other podcasts, how lame. It's getting old boys and girls. Times are changing and you need to as well.

Podcast Alley has turned into a Podcasters site. The forums are all about self promotion and the grand podcasting circle jerk.

Podcasting is evolving. More and more people are downloading casts from iTunes and are getting better quality casts. For example on iTunes D&D are currently at #67, which I suspect soon they will be off the top 100. But here they are worshipped. What ever, I grew so sick of hearing about Dawn's viginia and boobs. If that's all you got going for you no thanks, give me Keith and the Girl, at least they have lives and put out 6 casts a week.

I think as time goes on PCA will become a thing of the past. The voting system is lame and the casters out there that beg for votes are lame. Instead of begging for vote why not put out a good quality podcast.

There are so many good podcasts out there people. Quit relying on PCA for whats hot and whats not. Check out the other sites that are out there, check out iTunes top 100 or Podcast pickle or any where other than PCA.

Flame me all you want, but I suspect this is the last time I will waste time and bandwidth on this site.

Before I leave you all let me make a prediction. 1 year from now D&D will be in the gutter as will Adam Curry. The cream will rise to the top.

L8r
-Dude

[paul]

The Itunes top 100 is completely inaccessible to most of us indie podcasts. Podcast Alley remains a big presence, and will increasingly be a place indies come to find listeners. Because lots of podcasters are asking their listeners to come and vote, promotion here is the easiest to justify. I foresee PCA moving to a new fast server and that really helping...

I agree that it's boring to hear shows constantly pleading for votes, but most of us have dayjobs and other stuff to do. We personally have relied on PCA almost exclusively for promotion because we're too lazy to go elsewhere...this is why you're wrong about the future of the site.

I'm not flaming you really--just disagreeing. I agree it's getting a bit incestuous up in this ho, but Chris's site is IMO the best place to promote ones show. Podcast Pickle is a good one too but its traffic doesn't justify annoying listeners with--this could change, who knows... Itunes' top 100 is almost all commercial podcasts.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness style, but I couldn't disagree more about PCA going away.

[jeffoest]

VERY well said Paul!

This dawned on me about three or four months ago because at that time I was, frankly, getting somewhat skeptical of indie podcasts and directories ability to 'compete' with huge branded and professional content. Well, perhaps my definition of 'compete' has changed over the few month of pondering but sites like PCA are fantastic for amateur podcasters and audiences that love them. And the surprising result? Indie/amateur podcasts are popular. Yea - few will get NPR-type numbers, but I'm convinced now that sites like PCA (which is the most popular of them) will not be going away anytime soon as long as there are folks with day-jobs willing to entertain us for free and folks willing to give them/us a listen.

There are. Go figure. :-)

[Patrick]

It might not be dead but it's a pain in the ***. It's always either down or slower than my grandmother.

[richpav]

Happy trails, troll.

[Patrick]

Okay.

[docsnavely]

i'd have to agree with you patrick. it's so frustrating since my only time to get on, is usually the maintenance time.....

**** time differences!

[kickasspodcast]

Worth the Click:

http://sirius.podshow.com/

Is the above site maintained or designed by the same people who now own PCA?

Just a question.

I don't think it is, I sure hope not.

http://www.whois.sc/podshow.com
Bloom, Ron Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
10 Venetian Way
Suite 2204
Miami Beach, Florida 33139
United States
3056728557 Fax --

http://ronbloom.com/
Ron Bloom, Inc
Ron Bloom
195 North Coconut Lane
Miami Beach, FL 33139
US
Phone: 212 982 0540
Fax..: 212 982 0514
Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source


Interesting....one thing is for sure. Ron Bloom doesn't seem to focus on web design. Like the Podshow Show notes Page? LOL He has to change that picture too... makes him look the total corporate shady type. Just my opinion guys. If you ask me- we should all call David Winer and ask him for a buttload of advice, and thank him too- none of us would be here if it weren't for David Winer- yet people are like David who?
Could podcasting be cursed because of the Curry/Winer rift? ;)

Who knows??!

Any Thoughts??!?!


Clear your cache and temporary files THEN Do a Speed Test:

http://curry.com/
vs.
http://scripting.com/

And

http://dailysourcecode.com/
vs.
http://morningcoffeenotes.com/

WE NEED DAVID WINER STAT!

ADDED:
I took this from Ron's site. Its bulletpoint of what he is does.

"- developing business plans
- obtaining access to capital
- developing and implementing new strategies for growth and profitability
- executing turnarounds and repositioning
- identifying and retaining talent
- developing and executing liquidity strategies
- mergers and acquisition"

See anything "quality control" related. Or "identifying and analyzing problems". Or "customer service". Or "developing quality products"?

Nope, Its all about the money baby.

Ron-
AT LEAST TAKE some cash and Hire these guys!
http://www.zeroforum.com/
Then you can pay Chris to fix/maintain all the other sites
that need help. Like this gem http://sirius.podshow.com/
Nice work. Empty Shownotes from May? Clever.

Jack B.
(always honest, sometimes right)


INDIE-CASTERS UNITE!

[jimk]

Jack, you complaining about someone's web design is like Hitler complaining about persecution.

[kickasspodcast]

Jack, you complaining about someone's web design is like Hitler complaining about persecution.


Jimk.

I have no time for you, I actually care about the future of podcasting.

When you trashed the town I live in, you crossed all lines in my book.
If you have any issues, take it up with Fosco. Please leave me the hell alone James.

Did you really just stop and take your time to try and slam me? Shame on you man.

I told you- I am done with you man. You aren't worth my time.

I am going to ask you, again. Please leave me alone.

I didn't even mention you man... why you gotta mess with me.


PCA site design rocks- I never said otherwise.

Jack B.


Edited by Jack B.

[jeffoest]

ADDED:
I took this from Ron's site. Its bulletpoint of what he is does.

"- developing business plans
- obtaining access to capital
- developing and implementing new strategies for growth and profitability
- executing turnarounds and repositioning
- identifying and retaining talent
- developing and executing liquidity strategies
- mergers and acquisition"

See anything "quality control" related. Or "identifying and analyzing problems". Or "customer service". Or "developing quality products"?

Nope, Its all about the money baby.


Jack, while I don't want to make TOO much from a website, it would appear that Ron Bloom is marketing himself much as a VC. You are complaining about QC, problem analysis, customer service, and product development. These really are more execution type roles. A VC typically helps develop the business plans, develop the supplier relationships, gets the capitol started, and, as he says, recruites the talent necessary for operating the venture.

I wouldn't knock him for that. Many times people involved in VC's do end up managing some aspect of the business especially in the early going, but normally they get the right people in and then use their talents on the next prospect.

[kickasspodcast]

Jeff-

I totally feel ya. I was waiting for someone to say "that's not his job".
I know VC's essentially work with and care about money and investments.


All I was really trying to illustrate was that if Ron Bloom and Podshow end up managing PCA like they do http://sirius.podshow.com/ it will be a crying shame. I am a big, big fan of PCA. Its our number 1 site and we have mentioned it on our show several times. Its the perfect alternative to iTunes.

As far as QC. I dunno, I'd like to think that CEO's and COO's and VC's consider quality, services issues, and development. Surely it varies from one business to the next. I am not really complaining about it either. I am just pointing out that if he ever expects even amatures like me to take him seriously or think that he is anything but a greedy, money counting VC- he ought to care enough to at least maintain the websites he owns.

Its my fear that Podcasting is rapidly being overtaken by people only in it for the money. As a non-commercial caster I have to take issue with that- yes its a free country. People are free to make money on podcasting. People are also free to call those people out as Sell-outs. Its Audio Webcasting anyways right? Last I checked, you couldn't cast with a pod. Only people listening on ipods are podcasting. ;)

I am a huge David Winer fan. And he always gets the shaft. Ron bloom and Adam curry F'd him over big time. I don't hold the grudge, but it did happen. Winer got screwed. I have little doubts that the Podcasting world would be in much better shape if Winer had 1/2 the influence and power that Curry and Bloom have.

Jack B.

[jimk]

Jack, you complaining about someone's web design is like Hitler complaining about persecution.


Jimk.

I have no time for you, I actually care about the future of podcasting.

When you trashed the town I live in, you crossed all lines in my book.
If you have any issues, take it up with Fosco. Please leave me the hell alone James.

Did you really just stop and take your time to try and slam me? Shame on you man.

I told you- I am done with you man. You aren't worth my time.

I am going to ask you, again. Please leave me alone.

I didn't even mention you man... why you gotta mess with me.


PCA site design rocks- I never said otherwise.

Jack B.


Edited by Jack B.

Tell us more about how the Russians have perfected alchemy and can create gold, Jack. That makes more sense than most of what you write.

Your site looks like a monkey smashed a keyboard to design it. You critiquing Curry's Crew's designs is asinine at best. Since I never mentioned PCA, your last comment is nonsensical.

BTW; Everyone who bet on you? You just made them lose.

[kickasspodcast]

Anyone who thinks I give a **** about what some right-wing bushie thinks, please write me at submit@kickasspodcast.com

I am sorry if I don't have a cookie-cutter wordpress site like so many others do. There are few wordpress sites I REALLY like and I know they took an extreme ammount of time and work. Those sites look original, which is what I personally like. If and easy wordpress blog works for you great, I'm going through a creative phase, what can I say? I prefer to design and host my own content, but that's just me.

If anyone thinks that this website http://sirius.podshow.com/ is not a total joke. Please post it here. Whats up with that site?

All I had ever tried to say, despite being attacked by the usual suspect, is that PCA is great now, and if Podshow manages PCA like they do http://sirius.podshow.com/ we are all in for a world of hurt. Now of course I don't think Chris would let that happen to his beloved PCA. But its always interesting to see what happens when the business guys get involved with development and design. When you look at what they have already designed you can often predict some of what might be to come.

Again, thanks to Jeff and those who are willing to freely discuss this, I think its a big issue because PCA is the number 1 alternative to iTunes. Its well being means alot to me and alot of the smaller podcasters that I know.

Jack B.


BTW-re:Alchemy
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/generalchemistry/a/aa050601a.htm

Transmutation of lead into gold isn't just theoretically possible - it has been achieved! There are reports that Glenn Seaborg, 1951 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, succeeded in transmuting a minute quantity of lead (possibly en route from bismuth, in 1980) into gold. There is an earlier report (1972) in which Soviet physicists at a nuclear research facility near Lake Baikal in Siberia accidentally discovered a reaction for turning lead into gold when they found the lead shielding of an experimental reactor had changed to gold.

I believe I said it wasn't cost effective before also.

[jimk]

Is there anything Jack doesn't know? Alchemy, web design, nuclear reactors, the internals of the iPod, recording equipment...the list goes on and on and on.

Oh wait, those are all things he's been wrong about. Sorry.

Here's some irony: Jack's own proof link contains the following:

Because lead is stable, forcing it to release three protons requires a vast input of energy, such that the cost of transmuting it greatly surpasses the value of the resulting gold.

Once the ore has been pulverized, chemical techniques are sufficient to separate the gold from the lead. The result is almost alchemy...almost.

When read by an intelligent human being, one realizes all this is about is removing "impurities" from lead. One of which happens to be gold. The rest of it is rumor and has no credible evidence.

Just another case of Jack not reading his own source material and being wrong again.

[kickasspodcast]

Its incredible.
The man even tries to spin Science.

I never claimed to know the process. I doubt Jimk knows the process either.

I also never said it was cost effective. I just said that gold will never go above the price that it costs to be produced, extracted whatever.

We can all read fine Jimk.

This is why I don't deal with you.
You are smug and arrogant, and you relentlessly distort the truth.

I am not suprised you have nothing to add to this actual thread than you do to any other threads where you needlessly attack me without cause. But hey- you are a fan of preemptive attacks, I understand. Or are you pretending to defend Curry to make people think I am attacking him(which I am not- but no, I do not like Ron Blooms vision for Podcasting at all) AND make yourself look good at the same time? Takes alot to keep up with the scheming of you Neocons. Good thing I am battle tested.

Bringing Up other subjects is also a classic Rove tactic. Nice try.

Bring it Bitch.

Jack B.

[jimk]

Still have no time for me, Jack?

Just because I care, Jackie, try Hooked On Phonics. It might help your reading comprehension.

[kickasspodcast]

Still going on your off topic rant?


More ignorant political hackery and eprsonal attacks from the kid who said he wasn't going to deal with me.

Another Jack lie, like all the others.

Blanco killed people. You can't hide the truth just ebcause you're ignorant or willfully lying, kiddo..


And


Just because I care, Jackie, try Hooked On Phonics. It might help your reading comprehension.


I'll pass.

I am just one of a majority, represented by a minority, trapped in a Corporatocracy entangled in Bureaucracy.


Jack B.

Hint Jimk: Learn to spell then advise people to take Hooked on Phonics ok?
Thanks

[docsnavely]

jim, i myself am about to renounce my republican wash room card because of your childishness....

just shut up, and if you do feel the need to speak, reply with non-personal factual replies that aren't intended to be trolling.

you're really getting annoying dude. at least jack is trying to make an effort to be a grown man with you in these forums now!

[jimk]

jim, i myself am about to renounce my republican wash room card because of your childishness....

just shut up, and if you do feel the need to speak, reply with non-personal factual replies that aren't intended to be trolling.

you're really getting annoying dude. at least jack is trying to make an effort to be a grown man with you in these forums now!

I see you fell for his manipulative little game.

Too bad.

[podcastshuffle]

Jimk.

I have no time for you, I actually care about the future of podcasting.

So dude... Stop replying to every post that he puts up. If you really don't care what he has to say skip his post and move on.

Jeff

[kickasspodcast]

It's been a while since I have been on PCA and I have to say things haven't changed much.

Over the past couple of months I've migrated over to other sites to find good podcasts and to be honest I've found most of my most current podcasts on other sites. PCA is bottom of the barrel any more. Too many lame podcasts beg and plead for votes on PCA...WTF is that about. I am so sick of hearing that on podcasts. I am also sick of these podcasts that talk just about podcasting and other podcasts, how lame. It's getting old boys and girls. Times are changing and you need to as well.

Podcast Alley has turned into a Podcasters site. The forums are all about self promotion and the grand podcasting circle jerk.

Podcasting is evolving. More and more people are downloading casts from iTunes and are getting better quality casts. For example on iTunes D&D are currently at #67, which I suspect soon they will be off the top 100. But here they are worshipped. What ever, I grew so sick of hearing about Dawn's viginia and boobs. If that's all you got going for you no thanks, give me Keith and the Girl, at least they have lives and put out 6 casts a week.

I think as time goes on PCA will become a thing of the past. The voting system is lame and the casters out there that beg for votes are lame. Instead of begging for vote why not put out a good quality podcast.

There are so many good podcasts out there people. Quit relying on PCA for whats hot and whats not. Check out the other sites that are out there, check out iTunes top 100 or Podcast pickle or any where other than PCA.

Flame me all you want, but I suspect this is the last time I will waste time and bandwidth on this site.

Before I leave you all let me make a prediction. 1 year from now D&D will be in the gutter as will Adam Curry. The cream will rise to the top.

L8r
-Dude

I think PCA is here to stay. PCA is are good for all podcasters. Its better than Itunes, and has alot better rankings system. (imho) Yes, the servers are slow, but they will surely upgrade soon. I just wanted this hopefully get back on topic, I don't think PCA is dead or dying, its growing every day. The number of podcasts has nearly doubled in the limited time I have been on, and that seems quite promising.

So long as Chris holds the reigns, I think we are all in good hands, he sure is nice to let us go round and round, and take criticism for everyone, and still keep on doing it. I can see frustrations in PCA servers, but like I said, surely they will upgrade to something sparkling.

Have a Good night-
Jack B.

[kevdo]

Podcasting is evolving. More and more people are downloading casts from iTunes and are getting better quality casts. For example on iTunes D&D are currently at #67, which I suspect soon they will be off the top 100. But here they are worshipped.

Remember, iTunes rankings are based on recent new subscriptions. So, a popular show like D&D doesn't rank as high to a brand new podcast that is splashed across the iTunes directory. That doesn't mean that D&D have less listeners however...

[Hittman]

This is why I don't deal with you. You are smug and arrogant, and you relentlessly distort the truth.

Oh, the delicious irony of that statement!

at least jack is trying to make an effort to be a grown man with you in these forums now!

See, Jack, you can fool some of the people some of the time. Not many, but I’m sure it’s enough to feed your ignorant, arrogant ego.

As for PCA, it will either continue to be a useful, interesting and valuable asset, or it won’t. Time will tell. When a smart corporation buys an asset like this one they leave it alone, so it keeps it’s value. Dumb corporations try to “fix� things, and in the process destroy them. At this point, Podshow is too young for us to know if they’re smart or not. If they wreck this place, it will be a shame, but hardly the end of the world. Other forums and rating systems and directories will step in to take the place of this one.

[docsnavely]

at least jack is trying to make an effort to be a grown man with you in these forums now!

See, Jack, you can fool some of the people some of the time. Not many, but I’m sure it’s enough to feed your ignorant, arrogant ego.

it's nice to see how original you are hitt....

he hasn't fooled me, i just realized how childish jim was being when jack was trying to be the better man......

now you want to enter in, and call me a pawn (in your own words)......

you two are in a class all by yourselves..... all by yourselves......

[Insomnia Radio]

And the above flame war is exactly why the ORIGINAL POSTER of this thread was all too correct..

[Hittman]

Josh, a quote, by definition, is not original.

And he obviously has fooled you. This boy has been factually wrong on virtually everything he’s ever posted. I’m not talking his opinions (although, with no grasp of any facts, they’re laughable too) but actual facts: Islam is a race, Ipods don’t play mp3s, copyright doesn’t cover live recordings of cover songs – he’s one of the most clueless people I’ve ever met online – and I’ve been online for 25 years. Hey, if you want to throw in with someone who denigrates people for working **** jobs when they have no choice, if that’s the kind of punk you think deserves your support, then go right ahead. Just remember, though, a man in judged by the company he keeps, and tossing in with someone with less than zero credibility isn’t going to inspire anyone to take anything you say seriously.

[docsnavely]

Just remember, though, a man in judged by the company he keeps, and tossing in with someone with less than zero credibility isn’t going to inspire anyone to take anything you say seriously.

this only occurs with closed minded ideologic people.....

i love how people bring up how many years they've been doing something....

my boss always says how he's been in the military for 20 years, and he has a degree so he know what he's doing......

time spent doing something does not mean you have learned anything worthwhile.....

i don't give a **** what you think hitt, and i think that's where you and i differ....

you try to bash someone because you feel intimidated by him.....
i see how you're about to try to do that with me as well, but you know what, at the end of the day, i honestly could care less what my image is, and how people perceive me.....

keep working on that perception that the public has of you, you're doing great so far!

......edited to close tags......

[podcastshuffle]

And the above flame war is exactly why the ORIGINAL POSTER of this thread was all too correct..

::CLAP:: ::CLAP:: ::CLAP:: ::CLAP::

Those two just need to be separated. Podcast Alley needs to put in a msg board rule that doesn't allow those two guys to post in the same topic.

I have a suggestion for you two... Jack and Jim... Try email or instant message... or exhange phone or skype numbers and yell at each other there. Please. Personally I'm tired of wading through the same posts from you guys every time you try to match wits.... Podcast Alley is slow enough nowadays. Give it a rest.

Jeff

[Hittman]

you try to bash someone because you feel intimidated by him.....

Intimidated by the likes of him?

That Lincoln quote was even more appropriate than I thought.

[FOSCO]

Maybe it is slow due to the fact that Colleges are back in session? I duuno.

Maybe people are just busy. I know this is the busy season for my industry.

Just remember, though, a man in judged by the company he keeps, and tossing in with someone with less than zero credibility isn’t going to inspire anyone to take anything you say seriously.

Says the man who is on JimK's ****. (Insert Krusty Laugh here)


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0302/gallery.simpsons.characters/gallery.krusty.jpg

You know I did see a Google ad for a Gay Conservative Dating Service on Hittman's website. I think this is all starting to make sense now.


Fosco

[Hittman]

You know I did see a Google ad for a Gay Conservative Dating Service on Hittman's website. I think this is all starting to make sense now.

So “you’re gay� is now the best that you can do?

I do find it interesting that you spend more time on my site than I do.

I just did a new podcast. How many times have you listened to it so far, Sparky?

[BSquared]

First off...I'm not a podcaster. I've never been a DJ or student/community radio jock. I don't lie awake at night secretly dreaming to be any of those things.

I just like listening to stuff and I like being able to choose the stuff I listen to.

I find The Alley a pretty good way to find podcasts...and I use the Alley in a number of ways.

I read the forums and I see what other people are recommending (even begged for and received some recommendations a little while back). I see the voting/rankings. I use the new/random/top ten lists. I use the directories. All good.

As to the criticisms of the Alley...

Yes the Alley is dominated by podcasters (at least the forums are) but that's ok...you can tell a lot about a person by the way they communicate with others and I have actually picked shows to listen to based on the way the podcaster has interacted and communicated with his/her peers and listeners in the Alley forums (eg Jeff from T&T with Jeff and Pat...how could someone so articulate, reasoned and polite be anything but a great podcaster?)

The reverse of that is I choose not to even try shows whose hosts come into these forums and insult other people 'cos that doesn't entertain me and I don't want to listen to that on podcasts (and please don't write to tell me that your show is different from your forum personality 'cos I won't believe you and I won't try it out anyway 'cos there's 6000+ podcasts and I don't have the time...If I've missed something brilliant 'cos I made the assumption you were a rude arrogant moron based on your forum personality I'll live with the loss)

As for it not being well organised or having too many rubbish shows in it. It is free right? I mean you podcasters don't pay to be here...you don't pay for the voting system...you don't pay for the genre directories etc (if I'm wrong about that please forgive me). So, give the man a break eh? He's doing the best he can and, as a podcast listening devotee, I say he's doing a pretty darn good job of it.

I've found myself hours of entertainment based on forum discussions or the top ten lists or the random lists or the newest lists or the interviews or the directories. Yes I've found some rubbish too but my iPod has this great delete feature. And it's not the Alley's fault that some podcasts are rubbish. I mean have you watched TV lately? Can we blame TV Guide for the fact that there's some moronic reality show on every 30 minutes?

As for other directories..I've tried those too...they all have pros and cons...so one of them has rankings based on no. of downloads..to me that's a useless ranking...I mean I know that the majority of the citizens of my country like watching moronic reality TV shows but I don't want to watch them...so if a D&D are getting all the downloads does that mean it's good? not to me. In iTunes the rankings appear to be based on how much you're prepared to pay apple...which is fine but isn't gonna help me choose because I don't want to listen to the big names with big bucks to spend on marketing and production...I like the amateurish nature of my favourite podcasts (and by amateur I don't mean poor quality...I just mean that if you're doing something 'cos you love it you behave differently than you do if you do something 'cos you're paid to do it).

And as for the complaint that podcasters are always plugging for votes in here well so what? I mean the majority of them are doing this 'cos they want to...they're not making money they're just having fun...and we listeners don't have to pay for the hours of entertainment we're getting...the least I can do is show them that I do appreciate that free entertainment by voting and leaving a positive comment. We all like to be appreciated don't we? It seems to me such a little courtesy in this harsh old world.

So for me the Alley is about the best place I've found to find podcasts (other than word-of-mouth). I like the fact that I can actually get a glimpse of podcaster's personalities at the same time as see what other listeners are thinking. I like the fact that every podcast I've ever heard of is listed in the directory somewhere (unlike some of the other directories).

So thanks Craig and all the podcasters who live here and all the listeners who lurk here.

[FOSCO]

So “you’re gay� is now the best that you can do?

I do find it interesting that you spend more time on my site than I do.

I just did a new podcast. How many times have you listened to it so far, Sparky?

Hey man I never said you were gay. If you are that is cool with me. I did see a gay conservative dating website link on your website. I don't care if you are gay. I mean if you are ... I think you are gross dude but that is another topic all together.

Hitt man. Do not call me sparky fogey. Let's get one thing straight. I do not listen to your BORING 4 minute podcast. That is Jack. Get your facts straight before you make yourself look REAL DUMB.

Not that you are not great at that.

Man you are the BEST at that! Rock on. Homocon.

Why do you have a gay republican dating service goooogle ad on your page. You have yet to explain that. Not that it needs explaining....

Guilty conscience Dave? Sheesh! :roll:


Fosco 8)

[charleyw]

First off...I'm not a podcaster. I've never been a DJ or student/community radio jock. I don't lie awake at night secretly dreaming to be any of those things.

I just like listening to stuff and I like being able to choose the stuff I listen to.

I find The Alley a pretty good way to find podcasts...and I use the Alley in a number of ways.

I read the forums and I see what other people are recommending (even begged for and received some recommendations a little while back). I see the voting/rankings. I use the new/random/top ten lists. I use the directories. All good.

As to the criticisms of the Alley...

Yes the Alley is dominated by podcasters (at least the forums are) but that's ok...you can tell a lot about a person by the way they communicate with others and I have actually picked shows to listen to based on the way the podcaster has interacted and communicated with his/her peers and listeners in the Alley forums (eg Jeff from T&T with Jeff and Pat...how could someone so articulate, reasoned and polite be anything but a great podcaster?)

The reverse of that is I choose not to even try shows whose hosts come into these forums and insult other people 'cos that doesn't entertain me and I don't want to listen to that on podcasts (and please don't write to tell me that your show is different from your forum personality 'cos I won't believe you and I won't try it out anyway 'cos there's 6000+ podcasts and I don't have the time...If I've missed something brilliant 'cos I made the assumption you were a rude arrogant moron based on your forum personality I'll live with the loss)

As for it not being well organised or having too many rubbish shows in it. It is free right? I mean you podcasters don't pay to be here...you don't pay for the voting system...you don't pay for the genre directories etc (if I'm wrong about that please forgive me). So, give the man a break eh? He's doing the best he can and, as a podcast listening devotee, I say he's doing a pretty darn good job of it.

I've found myself hours of entertainment based on forum discussions or the top ten lists or the random lists or the newest lists or the interviews or the directories. Yes I've found some rubbish too but my iPod has this great delete feature. And it's not the Alley's fault that some podcasts are rubbish. I mean have you watched TV lately? Can we blame TV Guide for the fact that there's some moronic reality show on every 30 minutes?

As for other directories..I've tried those too...they all have pros and cons...so one of them has rankings based on no. of downloads..to me that's a useless ranking...I mean I know that the majority of the citizens of my country like watching moronic reality TV shows but I don't want to watch them...so if a D&D are getting all the downloads does that mean it's good? not to me. In iTunes the rankings appear to be based on how much you're prepared to pay apple...which is fine but isn't gonna help me choose because I don't want to listen to the big names with big bucks to spend on marketing and production...I like the amateurish nature of my favourite podcasts (and by amateur I don't mean poor quality...I just mean that if you're doing something 'cos you love it you behave differently than you do if you do something 'cos you're paid to do it).

And as for the complaint that podcasters are always plugging for votes in here well so what? I mean the majority of them are doing this 'cos they want to...they're not making money they're just having fun...and we listeners don't have to pay for the hours of entertainment we're getting...the least I can do is show them that I do appreciate that free entertainment by voting and leaving a positive comment. We all like to be appreciated don't we? It seems to me such a little courtesy in this harsh old world.

So for me the Alley is about the best place I've found to find podcasts (other than word-of-mouth). I like the fact that I can actually get a glimpse of podcaster's personalities at the same time as see what other listeners are thinking. I like the fact that every podcast I've ever heard of is listed in the directory somewhere (unlike some of the other directories).

So thanks Craig and all the podcasters who live here and all the listeners who lurk here.

Well put.

Chris should save and post this somewhere permanently.

Oops....sorry......was I going back on topic?


Charley

[Hittman]

I love it when you lie and contradict yourself in one short post.

Hey man I never said you were gay.

Rock on. Homocon.

Here you are, pretending you’re an enlightened lefty, and you’re just another homophobe.

I do not listen to your BORING 4 minute podcast. That is Jack. Get your facts straight before you make yourself look REAL DUMB.

In another thread, which was deleted in the crash, you said you listened to every one of my shows at least twice. You bragged about it. “Know your enemy,� you said.

You need to learn, Sparky, that to be an accomplished liar you need a good memory, one better than the one you’re currently cursed with.

I was really amused when you found a subtle audio error in one of my shows that I didn’t even notice until several days later, on the third or fourth listen, on high quality headphones. And frankly, that’s sad and pathetic. Like most podcasts, my shows are designed to be disposable entertainment: listen to it once and then discard it. But you’re studying them. You’re obsessed with them.

Just like you’re obsessed with my web site, and Jim’s as well. I won’t bother explaining how Google Ads work to you, because it’s a bit complicated, but the bottom line is they’re constantly changing and I have virtually no control over what shows up, and when. Evidently you’ve seen more of them on my site than I have. (Please feel free to click on them, because that makes me money.) Likewise, your obsessive screen capturing and note taking on which ads appear on Jim’s site is both entertaining and pathetic.

I can only guess your motive. It appears that you secretly want to be like us – real people within functioning brain cells and the ability to draw our own conclusions instead of sucking them out of Michael Moore’s butt – but please, stop trying to study and imitate us and develop your own style. Not the goofy, childish, ignorant excuse you have for a style now, but something of substance. Your first step is to learn something. Anything. Get something right, some little fact somewhere. Find out what that feels like. Get a tiny little clue, nurture it, and don’t let it die of loneliness. Then, and only then, will you be on your way to becoming a real boy, instead of the clueless shell blindly swiping at your betters, which at this point in time, includes virtually everyone.

[FOSCO]

I do not listen to your BORING 4 minute podcast. That is Jack. Get your facts straight before you make yourself look REAL DUMB.

In another thread, which was deleted in the crash, you said you listened to every one of my shows at least twice. You bragged about it. “Know your enemy,� you said.

instead of the clueless shell blindly swiping at your betters, which at this point in time, includes virtually everyone.

Httman I do not know how to continue a conversation with somebody who thinks that they are talking to somebody else. I am not Jack. Show me where I said I listen to your show. I refuse do harm my precioius eardrums in that manner. Stop flattering yourself.

FOSCO <--- Can you not see this Dave? Get your **** together.

And Dave. You are not anybodys better. I mean comeon. :roll:

[kickasspodcast]

Worth the Click:

http://sirius.podshow.com/

Is the above site maintained or designed by the same people who now own PCA?

Just a question.

I don't think it is, I sure hope not.

http://www.whois.sc/podshow.com
Bloom, Ron Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
10 Venetian Way
Suite 2204
Miami Beach, Florida 33139
United States
3056728557 Fax --

http://ronbloom.com/
Ron Bloom, Inc
Ron Bloom
195 North Coconut Lane
Miami Beach, FL 33139
US
Phone: 212 982 0540
Fax..: 212 982 0514
Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source


Interesting....one thing is for sure. Ron Bloom doesn't seem to focus on web design. Like the Podshow Show notes Page? LOL He has to change that picture too... makes him look the total corporate shady type. Just my opinion guys. If you ask me- we should all call David Winer and ask him for a buttload of advice, and thank him too- none of us would be here if it weren't for David Winer- yet people are like David who?
Could podcasting be cursed because of the Curry/Winer rift? ;)

Who knows??!

Any Thoughts??!?!


Clear your cache and temporary files THEN Do a Speed Test:

http://curry.com/
vs.
http://scripting.com/

And

http://dailysourcecode.com/
vs.
http://morningcoffeenotes.com/

WE NEED DAVID WINER STAT!

ADDED:
I took this from Ron's site. Its bulletpoint of what he is does.

"- developing business plans
- obtaining access to capital
- developing and implementing new strategies for growth and profitability
- executing turnarounds and repositioning
- identifying and retaining talent
- developing and executing liquidity strategies
- mergers and acquisition"

See anything "quality control" related. Or "identifying and analyzing problems". Or "customer service". Or "developing quality products"?

Nope, Its all about the money baby.

Ron-
AT LEAST TAKE some cash and Hire these guys!
http://www.zeroforum.com/
Then you can pay Chris to fix/maintain all the other sites
that need help. Like this gem http://sirius.podshow.com/
Nice work. Empty Shownotes from May? Clever.

Jack B.
(always honest, sometimes right)


INDIE-CASTERS UNITE!

Yeah, that still sums it up for me.
I just waited forever for this website to load and it has um less than 200 people on at once? Give me a break.... nobody here can pretend that there aren't serious issues to resolve. I am just glad and hopeful that there are people working on their being resolved.

Jack B.

BTW- There is no connection between PCA forum activity and the quality of someones podcast. That's just inane- seriously. I got about a dozen reasons but i'll save the sitespace for loadtimes.

Still nobody at podshow or sirius cares enough to actually post show notes on their Show notes website. I think its been days since this was pointed out. nobody is doing anything
http://sirius.podshow.com/

Shameless. I am getting increasingly sick of people trying to ruin podcasting with money.

[docsnavely]

I am getting increasingly sick of people trying to ruin podcasting with money.

amen to that one!

i've listened to the supposedly #1 american in japan podcast a couple times....

he's on many of the countries top 100 in itunes, and he is just so dry and boring..... and he has sponsors..... what is that about?


i guess 62 at PCA does nothing for me with the money.....

i wish PCA had the capabilities of the pickle when it comes to functionality....

or better yet, the pickle had the traffic that PCA has!

</selfish rant>

[my real name]

The fad is over.

[podcastshuffle]

Still nobody at podshow or sirius cares enough to actually post show notes on their Show notes website. I think its been days since this was pointed out. nobody is doing anything
http://sirius.podshow.com/

Personally I don't think there's supposed to be anything up on that site. I think it was just put up. Maybe at one point they were gonna post MP3s of the Sirius show online. I think I saw a post from PW that it was Sirius' decision not to. So their main crime is not pulling the site down after leaving a few 'Hello World' posts up there...

The rest of the PodShow sites do have show notes... and fairly decent web sites don't they?

DSC - Show Notes = True
DnD - Show Notes = True
Yeast - Show Notes = True
Hash - Show Notes = True
etc.

The Ron Bloom site seems like its something from like 5 years ago when they had their old company. If its new, that would be a joke, but after reading the text ont he site it seems way old.

I'll agree with you that most of the official PodShow sites don't look like much. Are not online enough, etc. PCA will probably be their stud horse in the stable until they get some more web engineers.

"Nope, Its all about the money baby."

If this surprises you from PodShow then you haven't been listening to DSC. I've been getting the "All About Money" vibe from those guys all along. In between the lines and on the line. Seemed pretty clear from day 34. ;)

Cheers,
Jeff

[BSquared]

JackB wrote I am getting increasingly sick of people trying to ruin podcasting with money

Did you seriously think the amateurs would have it to themselves forever?

Don't wanna rain on your parade but just take a peek at any artistic venture in history...If it's a good idea people want to make money out of it. If it's a bad idea it dies.

Depending on your point of view you either see making money from art as selling out or being smart but it doesn't matter much what you think 'cos it will happen anyway.

And there is room in the world for all kinds...isn't there?

I mean there's indie films next to commercial blockbusters...and indie music next to BMG's latest manufactured artist...and so too there will be indie podcasts next to the corporate giants.

It's the way of the world Jack. You might not like it but there's zero point getting angry about it 'cos you can't change human nature.

Jack wishes people would stop ruining podcasting with money. You know what I wish? I wish people would stop ruining podcasting with moaning.

Stop moaning about Adam Curry's selection process for podshow, stop moaning about who else has or hasn't got good show notes/website/sound quality or whatever it is. Stop wasting all that energy on whining about what others have got or are doing and expend that energy on doing your own podcast as well as you can. In this world you can't control anyone else, only yourself.

[Barefoot Radio.com]

At this point, with the total lack of change or development, it 'sure seems dead.'

Does the top 10 do anything positive for those podcasts?

Some still like to brag that makes them '#1 podcast in the world.'

haha

WTF?