youre telling me that itunes doesnt put shows in a playlist?

[allthewhile]

What kinda crap is that? That is like the bare minimum. So we're supposed to find each one of them and manually add them to our library? Do they show up on the iPod? Why wouldn't you have the option of auto adding them to a new playlist? Is this a joke?

[jimk]

What kinda crap is that? That is like the bare minimum. So we're supposed to find each one of them and manually add them to our library? Do they show up on the iPod? Why wouldn't you have the option of auto adding them to a new playlist? Is this a joke?

If you have a clickwheel iPod and you upgrade to the newest firmware, you get a new entry under the main "music" category. It's not a playlist and I don't know what Apple was thinking.

This implementation is a nightmare. If this is what Adam Curry saw and was so happy about, I feel like punching him in the grill for not setting Apple straight about what a mess this is.

[allthewhile]

I hope to everything sacred they listen to the community. Instead of "are you sure you want to subscrib"? Pop something up like "What playlist do you want this added to?" "Make a new playlist?" with the default the name of the show and allow the person to change it.

I thought they were design gods.

[Craig]

If you don't upgrade the iPod firmware they show up in a new Podcasts playlist automatically on the iPod (on the Mac anyway). If you do upgrade the firmware they show up in a new category under Music called Podcasts, grouped by podcast. To play all podcasts you need to go to the Podcast genre.

Not the best implementation, but not nearly so bad as you guys are trying to make it sound. Bear in mind that they released it 4 weeks early, and for the past four weeks everyone has been bitching that they haven't been getting input from the user community. I consider the next 4 weeks to be that input.

Craig

[dcolanduno]

Not the best implementation, but not nearly so bad as you guys are trying to make it sound. Bear in mind that they released it 4 weeks early, and for the past four weeks everyone has been bitching that they haven't been getting input from the user community. I consider the next 4 weeks to be that input.

Craig

It would have been better if they had allowed a beta-test cycle with... oh, pretty much the podcasting community.

I'm going to state that this all looks and seem VERY much like a big, shove off, to the community that made Apple do this in the first place.

I understand the need to put some well known commercial content to trap peoples attention. But, it seems a little over-the-top compared to the hype-talk about this being a 'new' form of radio.

Maybe I am just bitter... because out of the 50 casts I subscribe to... I'm the only one not on the directory. :)

[allthewhile]

okay thank goodness. I was scared for a second. Now where do I get this new firmware from?

[dcolanduno]

Are you on PC?

If so, go to the iPod page on the Apple Site... Or, search for it in the apple downloads area:

http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

If on a Mac... click the Apple, then choose Software Update, with your iPod plugged in so it detects you current version. (sometimes it will without it connected) And then the update should come up on the list of available software.

[Illinoise]

Yeah, maybe I'm in crazyville, but I love the release.

All my friends and family are listening to podcasts for the first time in their lives. In less than one year, podcasting--something many of us have been involved in since its infancy--has become a major medium in which we still get to compete and thrive in. We have great, cross-platform software that is promoting podcasting in a different way to a new audience.

Don't like iTunes 4.9? Stick with iPodder(x). That's cool. Have suggestions for improvements? Voice them here. But don't start badmouthing Apple for their first attempt.

The podcasting community isn't about sour grapes. Unless you're WineCast. Or EatFeed.

[ferg]

I don't think the first attempt is horrible. I am, however, dissappointed that they didn't release the tag spec earlier. I know a lot of people are belly-aching over the need to have iTunes-specific tags in the first place, but I really don't mind...

I'm right there with you Derek. All of the other shows I listen to are basking in the pool full of listeners. While I am required by the big bad Apple momma to stay inside and watch. Oh bad Apple momma, why do you spite me!?!?!

[ferg]

I will say this - I like the firmware update a LOT.
When you sync your podcasts to your iPod, they all appear (as stated before) under Music / Podcasts group by the podcast. What's even better, though, is that they appear in reverse date order, and the DATE of the update stays FROZEN on the right hand side...so, even those who don't have the 16-char friendly titles, are still easy to find.

[bramley]

>The podcasting community isn't about sour grapes. Unless you're WineCast. Or EatFeed

Oh, no, we only do razberries at Eat Feed.:P

I realize it must be frustrating to be a really hard-working smart podcast and not be in the directory this morning. But everyone will be soon enough and then it really won't make any difference. In fact, I wonder if it wouldn't be an advantage to show up later -- almost the reverse of how the directories work. But once everybody has waded through what's already there, as casts come in by ones and twos, iTunes non-podcasting folks will be excited to see something new again.

[jeffoest]

I downloaded the firmware application, installed 'it'. Plugged in my ipod and it did nothing but the normal downloading from iTunes. No firmware update. Am I doing something wrong?

[ferg]

After you install the firmware thingy, you have to run it....
If you're on a PC, it's under all programs / iPod

[ferg]

I also downloaded the (AAC Formatted) PodFinder...the chapter thing is cool, and the implementation on the iPod itself works nicely.

Does this mean it's time to start 2 feeds (one for iTunes and one for everyone else) ?

[allthewhile]

okay sweet. it works great. playlists? who needs playlists?

-jayson

[jeffoest]

Doh! Thanks Ferg. I got it to work... For some reason it wasn't updating my iPod directory. I just wiped it and reinstalled....

[foz]

Doesn't work at *all* with my shuffle. I can't autofill from the podcast playlist, I have to manually drag each and every new download to the shuffle.

This is EXTREMELY underwhelming.

-- Gary F.

[podx]

Doesn't work at *all* with my shuffle. I can't autofill from the podcast playlist, I have to manually drag each and every new download to the shuffle.

This is EXTREMELY underwhelming.

-- Gary F.


This sucks. I cant believe autofill doesnt work in my shuffle with this new podcast crap.


rip off lol~ If anyone else has a shuffle and wants autofill enabled for the iPod :evil: shuffle, heres the feedback link to apple.com:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipod.html

[Craig]

Doesn't work at *all* with my shuffle. I can't autofill from the podcast playlist, I have to manually drag each and every new download to the shuffle.
I don't have a Shuffle so I'm not sure if this would work, but did you try autofill from the Podcast genre?

Craig

[foz]

You can't autofill from a genre, you can only autofill from playlists (or the entire library). The "podcast" playlist that is automatically created in itunes isn't in the autofill targets.

You can't make a playlist (smart or normal) and then autofill from it because the podcasts aren't added to the library.

The only way to get them on the shuffle is to manually drag and drop each one. No thanks, Apple.

-- Gary F.

[Patrick]

Sorry - Duplicate post - slow forums causing problems.

[Patrick]

Is everyone really going to put all this itunes spec stuff in their feeds? It seems like a lot of work when you have to do it manually.

Ferg - you use blogger - is that for your feed to? Does blogger have a feed tool, and is it that customizable that you can get it to add these tags with no effort, or do you have to do them manually with every update?

I mean, if WordPress comes out with a plugin that will do it, that would rock. It would be even better if Feedburner read your standard RSS tags and created iTunes spec tags from them.

I can't see me doing any of this at the current time, becuase it's all manual. You're telling me all those podcasts in the directory are doing this? I don't understand. I can't believe people are rushing to implement this, an more importantly, how (without a big pain)?

[bramley]

Is everyone really going to put all this itunes spec stuff in their feeds? It seems like a lot of work when you have to do it manually.

Yes. But once you do it, you can just block copy each show and twiddle with it. I don't know. We do it manually each week with Notepad. But I also make breakfast from scratch most mornings instead of eating a Pop Tart -- if you get the luddite analogy. It's not so difficult if you just get used to it. But that's just my opinion.

[jeffoest]

Bramley - LOL

Patrick. I don't have a hesitantcy about creating my own XML (and I know you don't either - it's not THAT big of a deal - though we'd rather not)... I just don't want to a) change my feed address for lots of reasons and b) want to retain my feedburner stats for consistency sakes (if possible)... i'm going to wait until feedburner implements the tags into their "SmartCast" option unless it takes too long....

Perhaps I can use the iTunes enabled feed here at the Alley but I'm not sure it helps me with my two objectives above (especially once I edit in manually to include a graphic, etc...)

[djacobs003]

The firmware update does not work on older Ipods, unfortunately. I wish it did because I do like the way it was done. I never understand why they can't update the older Ipods.

[jimk]

The firmware update does not work on older Ipods, unfortunately. I wish it did because I do like the way it was done. I never understand why they can't update the older Ipods.

Dolla dolla bill, y'all.

If they gave up the features on the older ipods, you know, those customers that made the iPod a success? Well, what would push you to upgrade? Your money belongs in Cupertino. :)

People always spell Micro$oft with that dollar sign, but man...Apple ain't exactly giving away cash on the streets.