Is Podcasting "GreyNet"?

[mental-escher]

Do traditional copyright controls still apply in the digital age where text, audio, and video works can be clipped, altered, and reassembled into novel derivatives (ie, mashups) by amateurs (eg, artistic, non-commercial, intent)?

I post this question in relation only to *non-commercial* intent!!

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Definition of Darknet: The collection of networks and other technologies that enable people to illegally share copyrighted digital files with little or no fear of detection. Examples of darknets are peer-to-peer file sharing, CD and DVD copying, and key or password sharing on email and newsgroups. (no money exchange = non-commercial).
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Podcasting: The collection of technologies that enable people to share original (though sometimes including intact, or portions of, copyrighted digital files) with the express purpose of non-commercial distribution. The difference of podcasting from "darknet" is that there is an implicite desire for detection (subscriptions), but it is similar in that there is no "fee" for subscriptions (much like a free (and add-free) newspaper).
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Definition of amateur: A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
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Definition of Copyright: the exclusive legal right to reproduce, publish, and sell the matter and form (as of a literary, musical, or artistic work)
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Definition of mash-up: blending samples from two or more works -- for instance, one song's vocals atop another's instrumental or rhythm track. The sum of the parts often surpasses the originals.
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[sydbarrett]

yes

stealing is stealing

have deep pockets -- will sue and win.

just a matter of will and time dude

the illuminati is everywhere

Have a nice day

Later dude

[mental-escher]

yes
stealing is stealing
have deep pockets -- will sue and win.

More to *my point*, if I like what I hear, will it make me want to "steal" that work (I think not), or go buy the whole, intact original (I think so) for $0.99 on iTunes, for instance??!! Think beyond the box.

[allthewhile]

I'd say that podcasting is different in darknet in that

1. it distributes largely creative works often released under a creative common license

2. any creative content from artists is usually independent.

3. is not generally stealing something you can buy in the store

4. not illegal

5. gets more press

6. more people involved.

7. i ran out of things

[mental-escher]

Mash-up examples: The Evolution Control Committee (http://www.evolution-control.com/sounds.html)

[sydbarrett]

yes
stealing is stealing
have deep pockets -- will sue and win.

More to *my point*, if I like what I hear, will it make me want to "steal" that work (I think not), or go buy the whole, intact original (I think so) for $0.99 on iTunes, for instance??!! Think beyond the box.

you're justifying the original theft

stealing is still stealing

but good luck dude

hey i have your same "think beyond the box" b.s. issues myself

example: back in old days i could tape very good quality songs off radio stations, based on todays standards--radio stations should get sued for making copyright material available for "download" (tape)

Later

[Hittman]

It doesn't matter how much or how well you can think outside the box. The RIAA has no respect for their customers. They haven't decided yet how to deal with podcasts, but if they decide to deal with them the way they deal with file downloaders, anyone using RIAA music could be in a world 'o hurt. I think the chance of that happening, especially if you're just using short clips, is very slim, but the risk is still real.

Screw 'em. Using non-RIAA music accomplishes two things. It protects you, and more importantly, it just might help hasten the demise of these evil beings.

[sydbarrett]

It doesn't matter how much or how well you can think outside the box. The RIAA has no respect for their customers. They haven't decided yet how to deal with podcasts, but if they decide to deal with them the way they deal with file downloaders, anyone using RIAA music could be in a world 'o hurt. I think the chance of that happening, especially if you're just using short clips, is very slim, but the risk is still real.

Screw 'em. Using non-RIAA music accomplishes two things. It protects you, and more importantly, it just might help hasten the demise of these evil beings.

all in the numbers dude

just a matter of time

when it finally clicks-in the head of some corporate a-hole
who was told by his young thing on the side
about this awesome "american idols" song
she heard on Paris Hilton's 20th version of her breastcast.

one call to legal

and podcasts hits napsterville

and the rest is history

[mental-escher]

when... some corporate a-hole
(is) told ...about this awesome "american idols" song
she heard on Paris Hilton's 20th version of her breastcast.
one call to legal, and podcasts hits napsterville, and the rest is history

PH has her own vetting lawyers to prevent that ("american idols" song on her PC).

Anyhow, I'm not a proponent of putting full length, unaltered copyrighted material on podcasts without consent- I'm thinking its actually rather uninspired (and unadvised) to do so.

Please (pretty please?) focus on the "artistic" use aspects of my original post, its a much more interesting topic I think.

[sydbarrett]

when... some corporate a-hole
(is) told ...about this awesome "american idols" song
she heard on Paris Hilton's 20th version of her breastcast.
one call to legal, and podcasts hits napsterville, and the rest is history

PH has her own vetting lawyers to prevent that ("american idols" song on her PC).

Anyhow, I'm not a proponent of putting full length, unaltered copyrighted material on podcasts without consent- I'm thinking its actually rather uninspired (and unadvised) to do so.

Please (pretty please?) focus on the "artistic" use aspects of my original post, its a much more interesting topic I think.

copyright material=give me whatever I ask for you to use my stuff, in whole or in part, otherwise I'm going to sue your arzz off.

have a nice day

[mental-escher]

copyright material=give me whatever I ask for you to use my stuff, in whole or in part, otherwise I'm going to sue your arzz off.

That seems rather extreme.

[sydbarrett]

again...just one man's opinion

p.s.

thanks for the grammar check usher dude...you're awesome

p.s.s.

i said it before and i will say it again
Podcast Alley God...next version spell and grammar check please
Thank You Podcast Alley God

p.s.s.s

Usher dude...good luck with the fight man
awesome spirit man

with guys/girls/its like you..

one day in the future we all will say with confidence that
podcasting is just a little bit better than radio

Later Terminator