Bickering Podcasters....& IAN FROM FTL!

[Barefoot Radio.com]

Wah wah wah wah!
Boo hoo!

GO IAN FROM FTL! You're one of the few encouraging people in this forum!

I'm amused by everyone who constantly feels threatened by every little podcast!

"It's so hard for me to stay in PCA's top 50! It's not fair!!!! WAH WAH!"

Boo HOO!

Do a good show, people! That's what matters! Don't let the top 10 or 50 of OTHERS determine YOUR taste!!!!!! There are GOLDEN nuggets hidden on PCA that are NOT in the top 10. I believe in them even though they're not in the top 10!

[Charles]

Well said Barefoot Radio.

Seems that some green beginning podcasters might whine too much, especially if they don't know what they are talking about.

They are just green with envy. ;)


There is a big problem with a podcast that is SPAM come on to entice you into selling you a pie in the sky get rich scam.

Podcast Alley is really going down in perception if they allow that to continue.

Also should podcasts be allowed to unethically offer bribes for votes?

[mfnoffice]

Barefoot....What's your take on Podcasters having contests or give away's for votes?

Before the Thread Police Jump in, I know there was a thread about this, but I want his input on this one!

I know I'm Preaching to the Choir, but my take on this is simple. Being a Podcasters is no different than being the General Manager of a Radio Station (except that you are the DJ, the Engineer, the Producer and the Marketer). You have an audience that's a different size then the Big Shows (but you still have an audience).

At first I was against shows that brought a big audience to the top ten. I felt that their presence distracted the "Playing Field" by giving them an unfair advantage.

But looking back and reading other threads, I have changed my mind. Being able to compete with these shows just makes getting to the top ten that much nicer! It show's the world that you really have something that (YOUR) listeners like. Forget about the spammers that stack votes by what ever means possible. I'm talking about the real shows like 90% of the podcasts that are out there.

"Contests" and "Give-Away's" are a way of building an audience. Yet some Podcasters find this to be a slap in the face and have requested Chris to disqualify the Podcast in question!

I think this too is a (as you put it) a "Whaa Whaa Boo Hoo!"

If we're going to allow the Big Shows with a large National Audience to come in and take over the top ten list (like they are and will continue to do) then we must be able to have an arsenal of creativity to use against them.

Do you think Howard Stern Pays for Breast Implants for girls that come on his show and bare their skin just because he's a good guy?

Hell No!

The $5000 his shows pays for the operation is nothing compared to the 10 (rating) points he gains in the market!

It's no different here...If we're going to keep the playing field equal, then (I feel) we all must be able to do whatever possible to gain a larger audience and put pressure on those shows that reign over the Top Ten list.

Again, I value your input and others that post on PA every day!

Jim Goetz
Firehouse Radio

[mfnoffice]

Podcast Alley is really going down in perception if they allow that to continue.

Also should podcasts be allowed to unethically offer bribes for votes?

Sorry Charles, I didn't mean to step on you and your question!

I saw your post after I sent mine in. I guess we both have the same question!

It just took me an hour to type mine out! LOL

Jim

[Barefoot Radio.com]

Hey, I really believe the most important thing is a good show.

If a crappy show bribes their way to the top 10 it's very much meaningless.

People cry fowl because they desperately want to be ranked high.

When I first came on PCA, I was hell bent on getting in the top 10. Now I have a different perspective. I think that it's better to put ALL that energy I spent begging for votes into my show. I still believe that if I keep pluggin' away on my product, I'm going to get more recognition.

This month I'm amazed I got 17 votes because i didn't ask for any. I want it to be this effortless OVERALL.

I'm not afraid of regular radio coming to the top 10. It will give an air of professionality, and I believe that there will still be some prominant independents who achieve some great success along the side of those more traditional professionals.

Maybe if shooting for the top 10 on PCA is ALL we're shooting for then that's silly. PCA is a magnificent community, but to be stellar famous, you've got to set your sites higher than JUST the top 10 here. I mean NO offense to anyone working at PCA.

Heck, I believe the right talent could be hugely successful if they ONLY webstreamed. Podcasting is just one little niche in a huge amalgam of ways to get your show out to the people of the world.

[mfnoffice]

When I first came on PCA, I was hell bent on getting in the top 10. Now I have a different perspective. I think that it's better to put ALL that energy I spent begging for votes into my show. I still believe that if I keep pluggin' away on my product, I'm going to get more recognition

I agree...(at least 90%).

I'm sure the shows that offers Prizes and/or "Give-Away's" still put a lot of effort into their production. Plus, just because they offer something, doesn't mean people are still going to vote! Unless you're giving them cash, it's still like pulling teeth!

Nothing against Chris, but Podcast Alley isn't the "End All" of Podcasting! It's a Fantastic Electronic Community that is highly respected in the Industry. And shows will continue to grow with or without being in the top ten.

But, competition does make you work harder and trying to make it to the top ten means you are doing something right when you get there (minus the Spammers and Vote Stacking Cheaters).

This is all I'm saying....I'm pretty much in the middle. As much as I understand the "Top Ten Theory" and continue to say "Hell it's no big deal," there's still that small driving force pushing me to get there!

The reality is, everyone needs to produce good quality. Look at Richard Vobes (www.vobes.com). His show just made the Top 50 and Personally, he should be in the top ten! He's that good! But even he's been bitten by the "Top Ten Bug."

It must be human nature!

Jim Goetz
Firehouse Radio

[dcolanduno]

I'm amused by everyone who constantly feels threatened by every little podcast!

"It's so hard for me to stay in PCA's top 50! It's not fair!!!! WAH WAH!"

If you took the time to actually read the other threads, and read what the REAL jist of the arguement was, it has nothing to do with;

A) Whining

B) Feeling Threatened

I don't even ask for votes here, never once, because, most of my audience doesn't come from the podcasting world.

What we were trying to 'discuss' is the direction of the community and the site in general. And, that top 10 has a lot to do with how people moving forward will precieve podcasting in general. If it is the ONLY list that is available going forward, then 3-4months from now there is a 99% probability that it will be filled with large media TV/Radio shows that are not really what we consider podcasting as we sit here now.

It has nothing with doing a good show, etc, etc, it has to do with how the next wave/evolution is handled.

In the current mantra, the top 10 will be extremely different and it will have very little to do with quality.

If everyone is okay with that, then fine. But, it has nothing to do with whining. And it is a comlpetely immature tactic to take a legitimate discussion on the future of a community I thought many of you actually could have a rational discussion about, and turn it into a school-yard dump fest.

If you have taken the time to read the other threads, you'd know that it has nothing to do with whining, not even a little. But, maybe you know that, it's just more fun to play the nanny-nanny-boo-boo game.

[jeffoest]

what I find amazing is the quality in the top 100 podcasts. Frankly it wasn't this good three months ago. And in another 2 months? It could be a pretty solid lineup from 1 to 200 perhaps.

The quality keeps getting better, the "competition" will get stiffer, and it's all good - ultimately the listener benefits from it all! And podcasters will have to improve their 'game' to keep listeners. And of course, that's exactly the way it should be.

And competition aside, isn't it really pretty cool to watch some of these podcasts visibly improve over the course of a few weeks?

Now - on a note to all the amateurs out there (of which I am clearly one):

I forsee that what has started to be seen is a schism between the podcasts by people who really have no intention of a business model and podcasts that do. You can already feel the beginnings of it - defensiveness by the non-business folks by moves that the business folks make that are what you would expect from a business focus. Ultimately the products compete fairly - audio is audio - a listeners time is a listeners time. But the folks driving those podcasts have, for the most part, very different goals.

this schism is ok and even can be healthy from a competitive standpoint. But I think it's important to keep in mind that amateurs want to have fun and perhaps have some influence on others, businesses want to make profits. We're not always in these things for the same reasons.

Amateurs - is it REALLY worth $50/month to talk about some sponsor during your show and mess up your website iwth ads? Really? Is that what you got into this for? I think most of you have different goals than a for-profit podcast.

Before everybody gets too defensive about the top 100 lists, top 10, or the competition, I would recommend rechecking your goals and remember why most of you amateurs came here - to have fun, pursue a hobby, learn about developing alternative audio media, and perhaps influence some folks on the way. The alternative is angst and stress that will ultimately make you stop podcasting, start resenting other cool podcasters that you would normally bond with, and not enjoy the great fun that this really is.

[mfnoffice]

What we were trying to 'discuss' is the direction of the community and the site in general. And, that top 10 has a lot to do with how people moving forward will precieve podcasting in general. If it is the ONLY list that is available going forward, then 3-4months from now there is a 99% probability that it will be filled with large media TV/Radio shows that are not really what we consider podcasting as we sit here now.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot we can do about that. Hopefully, when we get to that point (and I agree we will) people will say "Well of Course Howard Stern's in the number one spot and of course Rush Limbaugh has the number 2, but whats "Airferg" about? That show is number 45, maybe I should check that out!")

That's where (in my opinion) chris should be going with PCA. Keeping (us) the little guys in the mainstream.

Of course, right now that's the "Top Ten."

Jim

[Barefoot Radio.com]

Hi Derek,
I sincerely DO believe it has ALOT to do with doing a good show. If you're anywhere in PCA, I bet you there are certain important people searching for you. I sit and wonder about all the talent scouts that could be already registered in the forum.

I also DO think I hear alot of bickering in this forum. I've been reading quite a bit here for a few months now and I've read alot of people complaining about this and that ethical concern...some valid, and some just silly insecurity.

The way I still look at it is that if there's a good show out there, I appreciate that it exists. I don't feel threatened. No matter what anyone else does, I still feel in control of my own situation.

I by no means overlook the need to approach the business end of things. I'm doing things in my home town of Denver like organizing a concert, advertising in the paper, networking bigtime with bands, etc... There are all kinds of ways I want people to hear about what I do. It's about people hearing you one way or another, and it's definately shortsighted to think that PCA is the be all end all of this whole game.

The way I really feel is that IT'S ALL RADIO TO ME! GOOD OR BAD, PRODUCED OR NOT, tis RADIO RADIO RADIO.

By the way, I do listen to Skepticality pretty regularly. :) Gracias for playing P.P. promo! :) And the mentions.

[Hittman]

I'm amused by everyone who constantly feels threatened by every little podcast!

"It's so hard for me to stay in PCA's top 50! It's not fair!!!! WAH WAH!"

If you took the time to actually read the other threads, and grok the real subject being discussed, you'd know it has nothing to do with;

A) Whining

B) Feeling Threatened

This is the Cry of the Complacent. Point out a problem, or a potential problem, that they don't want to deal with, either out of ignorance, arrogance of self-interest, and they'll insist that you're whining. It's much easier than addressing the real issue.

They are just green with envy.

It's also easier to slap emotions on your opponent, mischaracterize them. That's yet another way of avoiding the issue.

Seems that some green beginning podcasters might whine too much, especially if they don't know what they are talking about.

And you are the expert – why?

Everyone is a newbee when it comes to this stuff – the medium isn't even a year old yet. But some of us have a great deal of experience and expertise in business, in entertainment, in promoting entertainment, etc. When you set yourself up as a self styled expert, looking down the noses of those who have such experience, you simply solidify your ignorance.

What we were trying to 'discuss' is the direction of the community and the site in general. And, that top 10 has a lot to do with how people moving forward will precieve podcasting in general. If it is the ONLY list that is available going forward, then 3-4months from now there is a 99% probability that it will be filled with large media TV/Radio shows that are not really what we consider podcasting as we sit here now.

It has nothing with doing a good show, etc, etc, it has to do with how the next wave/evolution is handled.

This is what we're trying to discuss. The real crybabies are the ones dancing around the issues and refusing to discuss them like grownups.

If everyone is okay with that, then fine. But, it has nothing to do with whining. And it is a comlpetely immature tactic to take a legitimate discussion on the future of a community I thought many of you actually could have a rational discussion about, and turn it into a school-yard dump fest.

If you have taken the time to read the other threads, you'd know that it has nothing to do with whining, not even a little. But, maybe you know that, it's just more fun to play the nanny-nanny-boo-boo game.

You're a poopy head.

Nuh un. You're a poopy head.

Uh un. You're a super dooper poopy head.

No way. You're . . .

This is the THIRD thread on this issue. That alone says it's an important one. But I suggest we keep it to the other two, or just leave this one to those who want to self-righteously proclaim their expertise and make derogatory remarks about those who see an issue worth discussing.

[charleyw]

I forsee that what has started to be seen is a schism between the podcasts by people who really have no intention of a business model and podcasts that do.

this schism is ok and even can be healthy from a competitive standpoint. .

I agree with everything Jeff said. Not because I really like their show (which I do)...or even the things he said in the post.

But because he was able to use....not once....but TWICE.......
the word "schism"


Charley

[coreytronic]

Bickering is the cornerstone on which the Alley rests. Squabbling, gripping , infighting, and whining are what makes us strong and proud.

So shut your word hole Bitches!!

[Ian]

If we're going to allow the Big Shows with a large National Audience to come in and take over the top ten list (like they are and will continue to do)

What are you talking about? Big Shows? Where? My show is on a few smaller stations. What show on the top ten is bigger than FTL? Racheal Maddow? She's not even in the top ten!

I just don't understand how you can say that! Where is this big influx of "big shows"?

[PupuStudios]

I think it's more a matter of potential for Much larger/popular organizations pushing into podcasting. We can't stop it apart from moderating who can be listed on which directories and who can't. I think a fear that many current podcasters have right now is when these big names fall into the realm of podcasting, their shows will be pushed off the lists because they don't have the already existing fanbase. AND after the commercial shows fill up the top "X" lists, but their (the little podcasters') potential for gaining popularity is gone because they can't get their podcast seen by the general public (into the top 'X' list.)

I don't podcast, I only listen. So don't come back with any jealousy rationalization. I'm just stating the obvious. Large commercial companies WILL move in and take over. We can only hope they will realize there is little money to be made and leave.

[Ian]

Perhaps that's why they never came in the first place. The big radio shows are ALREADY making money, and they are offering their podcasts to their paying subscribers. There is 0 incentive for them to come here. Sure, they might want to build their audience a bit, but that would require them to make their shows available for free, and they will not do that. The audience build would not be worth the loss of paying customers.

This is much ado about paranoia.

[PupuStudios]

Not only can they charge their advertisers for spots on the broadcast show, but also begin charging advertisers for the podcast version of the same show! Double dipping? One show, two mediums.

The big radio shows are ALREADY making money
they never have make enough...

[mfnoffice]

I think it's more a matter of potential for Much larger/popular organizations pushing into podcasting. We can't stop it apart from moderating who can be listed on which directories and who can't. I think a fear that many current podcasters have right now is when these big names fall into the realm of podcasting, their shows will be pushed off the lists because they don't have the already existing fanbase.
Exactly!

That's what I've been saying, but it sounds better coming from someone different.

FTL...I'm not worried about you. I'm sure you have a good show and I'm glad to see your in the top ten. But before PCA, I've never heard of Free Talk Live! That said, it's the larger, more commercialized conglomerates that worry me. They're not here yet! But they will be soon and that's my point!

Jim

[Ian]

Thanks, mfnoffice. However, you should know the "big names" are already podcasting. However, they are charging for their podcasts.

Since they are charging, there is no way for them to get on Podcast Alley.

Do you think Premiere radio network (syndicate of Rush, Beck, Hendrie, and others), is going to decide to stop charging for their podcasts just so they can jump in the game here at PCA and dominate?

Not likely!

[useless mike]

I am not a podcaster, but as I spend 2 hours a day travelling underground to work I listen to A LOT of podcasts. You may also notice that this will be my first post on this forum and I havent actually had a chance to read through the forum so please forgive me if I tred on any worn ground here.

When I first dipped into this whole idea about podcasting there weren't many around late last year. At that time there were some AWFUL podcasts in the top ten. In fact I remember downloading one in particular which was nothing more than 5 stoned college students who had acquired a voice effects board and were just giggling away at the sound of their own voice for 20 minutes. There were one or two other podcasts which caught my attention which I subscribed too but the rest were generally rubbish and I started to lose interest. I stopped downloading podcasts for a period when I got annoyed with one of my subscribed feeds as they kept changing their address, and the other started his podcast talking about his sponsor (an insurance broker of all things) for 2 minutes straight. This was a REAL turn off for me. Yes, I could "fast forward" his sickenly (is that a word?) forced words of praise for this company but that is just annoying. I saw Free Talk Live in the top ten about 4 months ago and I have to be honest, I was concerned that what I thought was a commercial talk radio show was doing a free podcast. I expected it to be dire, filled with adverts and promos for other shows which you may have had to pay to listen too. Well, its not but that is not the point. The point is that Ian and company’s show is actually...good. A professional, well organised show. Even though Ian does sometimes completely and utterly winds me up with one or two (well actually I would probably agree with about 1 in 40) of the things that he says it is a good show which I am HAPPY to subscribe too.

I have voted for Free Talk Live 3 times, not because of his pestering or emotional bribing but because out of the 9 feeds I have which come from PCA, his is the best. If I am being honest I would have NEVER of listened to his show if I didn't see it on the top 10 all those months ago but looking through my feeds now only ONE of them come from the top ten (Free Talk Live). The next highest one is at 19, lowest is 1500 or so. So does it matter if your podcast is in the top ten? Well coming from a consumer like myself not really. Heres why.

1) Annoyed (yet happy to have been part of the community for a while) with the direction in which podcasting was going I decided to stage a market protest and stop downloading all podcasts around Jan '05. In Feb '05 the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/listen/downloadtrial.shtml) started a podcast trial with a very small number of their shows (It should be noted that it was the BBC in the first place which informed me that podcasting was starting). I went back to Podcast Alley with a bit of anxiety. Because of this anxiety I decided I was going to only going to look at the top 10 and if it was all rubbish then I wasnt going to bother. I saw that the number 1 was a show which was still number one when I stopped downloading and I wasn't hopeful. I saw Free Talk Live and while I was concerned as previously mentioned but I decided to give it a go. I hated the first hour but loved the second. As I have mentioned it was a professional and well planned podcast which was a welcome change (even though Ian does say "there are no other talk radio stations that do this [open, free topic talk radio]! maybe in America Ian...!)

2) This refreshingly professional approach to podcasting brought back the interest I had in podcasting when I first started downloading. I started searching, I found some feeds that I liked, a lot I didn't but I liked 9 of them enough to want to listen again. This would not have happened if I did not hear a good, professional podcast in the top ten.

In a way, the votes are meaningless and frankly if I was going to be bribed for my vote I would tell them where to stick it. I really dislike people preaching for votes (and yet I voted for FTL this month!) If I like your show, I will vote for you. Last month I voted for a show which was ranked 1287 because I enjoyed it. If too many commercial radio stations managed to get podcasts on here then yes there is a possibility some of the smaller casters would lose out - I only have so many hours in the day to listen but if its good (especially that first 5 minutes) then I will transfer it to my Walkman and take it with me to work, regardless. But if there are no quality shows in the top ten to begin with then people like me are not going to search for any of the others.

As long as the Top Ten list isn't populated by complete and utter garbage then I honestly dont see what the problem is. I will now go through the rest of the forum and see if I can answer my own question :D


Thanks for your time!!!

[mfnoffice]

Since they are charging, there is no way for them to get on Podcast Alley.

Do you think Premiere radio network (syndicate of Rush, Beck, Hendrie, and others), is going to decide to stop charging for their podcasts just so they can jump in the game here at PCA and dominate?

Not likely!

IAN...You're right! But I'm thinking outside the (proverbial) Box. I'm looking at the Magazine's, TV and News Services. They too have an audience and I really don't think they're going to charge a fee either. In fact it's better for them to have a free podcast!

Thus they will give everyone a "Run for their Money!" As I said before, I look forward to the future and the new shows that are coming (those not here yet).

My guess is, having 500 monthly votes may not even get you on the top 100 over the next two years! It's going to be very interesting!

Jim
Firehouse Radio

[kickasspodcast]

Wah wah wah wah!
Boo hoo!

GO IAN FROM FTL! You're one of the few encouraging people in this forum!

I'm amused by everyone who constantly feels threatened by every little podcast!

"It's so hard for me to stay in PCA's top 50! It's not fair!!!! WAH WAH!"

Boo HOO!



Maybe if FTL would stop bashing people like Dawn and Drew calling them a gimmick show and saying they will get divorced? And why rip on their sound quality? Why do you say people are threatened when they are probably just mad because some egomaniac Radio Podcasters attack anyone who thinks it might be a good idea to distinguish between Governemnent Regulated Podcasts and Podcasts that aren't subject to the FCC and all regulatory groups. People have a right to know what they are listening to. And Radio Podcasters like FTL ought not bash anyone else. They obvious need all the support they can get to get another 20 people to move to New Hampshire in the next 5 years. What a crock!

Jack

[Ian]

Please see this thread to read my response to kickasspodcast's assertions that he has repeated here.

http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2159

[vox_monitor]

the free market, so to speak, will take care of these matters better than anything else.

If bribery happens, let it. People have to have listeners to bribe them, and they have to be good to get listeners.

And if it works, more power to them. And I bet at that point, a bunch of other people will try it. And pretty soon, there will be a backlash, or there won't. Or the podcast alley top ten will become irrelevant, or it will evolve into a different sort of relevancy.

The point is, regulations are bad.

Spam, however, is another matter. And the Big Seminar Live is spam. It is just an advertisement. It isn't content off which someone hopes to make money. That's fine to do that. It is a commercial that pretends to be content. It's just spam, and almost certainly all their votes are gamed.

Spammers should get there stuff axed. And no one should shed a tear for them.

eric

eric

eric

[Barefoot Radio.com]

Maybe if FTL would stop bashing people like Dawn and Drew calling them a gimmick show and saying they will get divorced? And why rip on their sound quality?

Why rip on sound quality????????

Because professionals produce.

I think it's kind of funny for 24kbps FTL to rip on someone's sound quality. But having said that, since FTL probably has tons of listeners, the 24bps is probably a practical decision. Regardless of that Ian's show is well produced and stimulating. I'm not just saying that to kiss ***. I'm more than happy to disagree with people.

Incidentally,
Why shouldn't Ian rip on whoever the hell he wants??? If I were stuck on a desert Island with an ipod full of D&D or FTL, I'd choose FTL. For a million reasons it's more stimulating. My problem with MOST couple shows is they just sit and chat like normal life. If there's no format to speak of, things can get boring really quickly.

I guess all I'm saying is that if there's NO intellectual element to a show at all, I'm usually not going to be into it.

Hey, how come this guy is so hostile toward you, Ian? I'll check out that other thread you mentioned for curiousity.

[Ian]

I think it's Michael Savage or one of our other radio competitors. :oops:

Actually, I have no idea what his deal is. But he's lying about the sound quality claim, as you have now discovered by reading the other thread.

[Patrick]

Regulations are bad. I think that because broadcast radio shows are under the influence of broadcast regulations via the FCC, it's one of the main differences between radiocasts and podcasts.

I also think there are other pressures on radio shows, political and corporate, from sponsors, affiliates, etc. Maybe not on smaller shows as much, but they always exist on some level. There is no pressure from anywhere on my measly show.

I don't know if anything should be done about it or to distinguish them, but I do think those are the fundemental differences.

[Ian]

There are certainly concessions one must make in regards to content in order to play ball in radio land, but that said how do you feel about those podcasts that are being aired on KYOU Radio in San Francisco? http://kyouradio.com

[Patrick]

I'm not familiar with it, Ian. Can you give me a brief lowdown?

They don't have an "about us" section or anything so I can't figure out what they are doing at all from their website.

I'd assume they are broadcasting podcasts based upon popularity (just from looking around) but not sure where it fits in as far as regulations and the whole podcast/radiocast debate.

Any articles you can recommend about them? Not very smart of them to not have an "about us" section or mission statement or anything anywhere on their site.

[Ian]

There have been a few posts here.. a quick search for KYOU should reveal them. In short, it's an "all podcast" radio station. Talk about blurring the lines!

[Patrick]

But were those podcasts recorded under FCC regulations and pressures from advertisers and other entities? Or were they cleaned up for broadcast? I would think that they were never intentionally recorded for broadcast - at least originally.

But you are right, once you know you're going on the air, those same influences can apply. It does blur the line more. I don't have anything against this concept. I don't have anything against your show here or being rebroadcast by them either.

[Ian]

Oh, I'm not on that station. But other podcasters are. Not every podcast is full of "obscenity" or "indecency" as defined by the FCC, therefore they are FCC friendly.

[Patrick]

Right, but what I am implying is that the regulations the FCC imposes (not to metion the other pressures and influences I've mentioned) can alter the content of a show. Some more than others, and maybe not much at all for some, but it's an outside force that's still there.

If you wanted to go off on a tirade on your show and drop some choice words, you couldn't.

[kickasspodcast]

If you wanted to go off on a tirade on your show and drop some choice words, you couldn't.


Guess it's not so free.

[Ian]

If you wanted to go off on a tirade on your show and drop some choice words, you couldn't.


Guess it's not so free.

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