PodSPAM (and radio shows as podcasts)

[RoadUP]

I, for one, welcome our new PodSPAM overlords!

The Big Seminar Live (http://www.podcastalley.com/podcast_details.php?pod_id=2570) is #1! It's currently the most facinating and popluar podcast show out there. Hell, they need to get a promo to Adam Curry, stat!

And you thought commercial radio was going to be the problem affecting the exposure to Joe Sixpack's podcast? Just wait as more and more slimy marketing freaks start gaming the directories, lists, and general subculture. Like email, in many people's minds this is what podcasting will be known for.

And no, I don't know where to draw the line. Like they say about porn, I guess I know it when I see/hear it.


-- Jim
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The RoadUP podcast is in production.

It won't offer great strategies for wealth, easy drug access, or member enlargment. It'll just be...fun. Hopefully.

[allthewhile]

A big and hearty blahdy freaking blah!

Congratulations to The Big Seminar Live, the votes you made up make the ones I earned seem tiny and insignificant. I wonder when they are done making up votes to crush the real podcasts out there if they'd be willing to throw some votes my way. Good job guys, I'll continue to ignore your show right away!

[Ardy]

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This is truly a slimebag show. #1 now. These jack asses are putting on a $2,000 seminar and the jist of it is how to take your business and market it through podcasting and subscription based Podcasting. Nothing new. People pay the 2,000 bucks becuase they are scrambling to figure out how to cash in on the craze. It's obvious, they throw their retarted seminar and get everyone there to vote on this site for them.

They also claim to be coining new terms like "zencasting". If they want to have a Podcast like this, big ****ing deal, let em. My problem with it is that shows like this hit number one unfairly and the good shows get buried and get harder to find. Yeah I know this is a common beef. They truly are the annoying 800x600 pop up ad of Podcasting.

Some of the real Podcasters should join together and create a Better Podcast Bureau or something and figure out ways to help weed out these info mercials and voting frauds. If the bureau made a complaint to the directories (and the directories worked with them) to remove offending sites from the directory it would help push these jokers out. Eventually the crap will get weeded out.
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[jawbone]

I'm going to the Big Seminar and take a Big Crap in the middle of the floor.

[Charles]

What the hell is Chris McIntyre letting a blatant long form obnoxious slimey totally Commercial Ad SPAM podcastalley.com ??

I would have thought that by now he would delete this Totally Obnoxious, Totally Greed Based, Totally Commercial Spam **** out of podcast alley.

I suggest that we all write chrismcintyre@podcastalley.com and voice our strident objection to this horrible piece of Spam Crap toxically polluting podcast alley. I sure as hell hope that he has not been corrupted by taking their dirty sleaze based money.

I don't care if they can find enough suckers to put this **** on tv as a very early morning spamomercial but it has absolutely no place being on podcastalley.com

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Mostly or All Advertising Spam should never be listed at podcast alley.

I don't have a problem with podcasts that are on commercial radio but I don't think ones that have already made it big and or are widespread should be listed. Ones that are on few stations(less than 100), on at little heard hour(1 AM to 5 AM) or short(1 hr or less) non-commercial ones should be ok here.

Someone that never listened to The Rachel Maddow Show is totally unaware that that daily show is on Live at 5 AM Eastern -> 2 AM Pacific which is a lousy time for a broadcast. It also is on only about half the Air America Radio affiliates(less than 30) which are also small power stations. In addition the mp3 downloads and podcasts are non-commercial(the commercials are cut out). It also is a short show of only a little over 37 minutes. No wonder that only one person complained out of thousands and they are totally unfamilar with the show. When the show is on at least 100 stations and/or includes lots of obnoxious commercials is when I think that most people believe that show is commercially successful enough to Not Be listed at podcastalley.com

[allthewhile]

I know this is off topic, but I listened to the Rachel Maddow show. Does she do more than just read headlines and articles accenting it in ways favorable to liberals? It's an honest question. I quite enjoy listening to Al Franken. I like radio on both sides of the isle but was a bit surprised when her entire show was just reading the newspaper. But maybe that is her show.

[Patrick]

I don't have a problem with podcasts that are on commercial radio but I don't think ones that have already made it big and or are widespread should be listed. Ones that are on few stations(less than 100), on at little heard hour(1 AM to 5 AM) or short(1 hr or less) non-commercial ones should be ok here.



These quantitative rules are ridiculous. Where did you come up with these numbers and who are you to be making the rules? I don't think you just can set arbitrary numbers like this.

What about shows on Satellite radio? That's technically one station, but available globally.



Someone that never listened to The Rachel Maddow Show is totally unaware that that daily show is on Live at 5 AM Eastern -> 2 AM Pacific which is a lousy time for a broadcast. It also is on only about half the Air America Radio affiliates(less than 30) which are also small power stations. In addition the mp3 downloads and podcasts are non-commercial(the commercials are cut out). It also is a short show of only a little over 37 minutes. No wonder that only one person complained out of thousands and they are totally unfamilar with the show. When the show is on at least 100 stations and/or includes lots of obnoxious commercials is when I think that most people believe that show is commercially successful enough to Not Be listed at podcastalley.com

All or nothing. Rachel Maddow's show should not be on the top ten list on this site. I don't care if the commercials are cut out or not. It's still a broadcast radio show influenced by advertisers, influenced by corporate entities, and influenced by FCC regulations. I'm not sure if you are talking about me being the "one person complaining", but i am not the only one that feels this way.

You are an idiot if you think those shows are non-commercial because the actual commercials are cut out. It is a show recorded for broadcast, not podcast, under those above influences. 100 stations has nothing to do with it. It's a made up BS number by you, just because you think that's some magical threshold.

I'm not saying she shouldn't be allowed to make her shows available as MP3, or even have them on this site. I just think there needs to be a broadcast top 10 list, or crosscast top 10 list for these artists.

[charleyw]

I kind of agree here. If you have a radio show...then it's a radio show. It doesn't belong on Podcast Alley. Podcasts don't have the luxury of the exposure that radio gives, whether it be satellite or otherwise. Let's level the playing field here. I don't look to Podcast Alley's rankings for radio shows with commercials cut out. I look for podcasts. It's not the commercials that make the difference. Soon, more and more podcasts are going to have sponsors and/or commercials. But they'll still be podcasts and they won't be what you get on radio. These are the shows I want to find on Podcast Alley. Not radio.

Charley

[Patrick]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

[Ian]

I kind of agree here. If you have a radio show...then it's a radio show. It doesn't belong on Podcast Alley.
Excuse me, but who made you king?

Podcasts don't have the luxury of the exposure that radio gives, whether it be satellite or otherwise.
Luxury? Do you think I'm sitting back in a golden throne with people just lavishing attention on my show?

Exposure? All of the exposure I've gotten, I've earned.

Let's level the playing field here.
Classic collectivist whine. The playing field is level. I've been working for over 7 years to get where I am today. You put that time into your podcast, and then come talk to me.

I don't look to Podcast Alley's rankings for radio shows with commercials cut out. I look for podcasts.
You're some kind of strange purist. I'd like to know how you define "podcast".

It's not the commercials that make the difference. Soon, more and more podcasts are going to have sponsors and/or commercials. But they'll still be podcasts and they won't be what you get on radio. These are the shows I want to find on Podcast Alley. Not radio.
Is that your bias? Are you just anti-radio?

I don't get on here and attack other podcasters like you do, charleyw. My message to other Podcasters is: keep doing it. Only the strong will survive.

Shows like mine bring more attention to Podcasting, but you can't see that because you're some bizarro purist.

[Ian]

Oh, and about the topic of the thread:

Awfully suspicious that the Big Semenar got about 20 votes in April and May total, and now hundreds more within the last few days...

I'd love an explanation for that. However, we will reach #1 with or without an explanation.

[Patrick]

Ian,

I don't have anything against your show being on this or any podcast website. Your podcast is a podcast. My argument is that it isn't a traditional podcast in the sense of being a show recorded solely for distribution on the Internet.

Your show is first and foremost recorded for broadcast radio, and later re-distributed as a podcast. I think this is great for radio shows, and listeners. I now listen to a couple broadcast radio programs via podcast that I don't get via broadcast.

I just think these programs ought to be ranked differently, or seperately. That's my only caveat. No one died and made me king of anything. It's just an opinion. Discussion leads to understanding.

I don't have any problem with you leveraging your current broadcast audience to try your podcast. The same way I don't have a problem with any of the guys from TWIT using their blogs and TV programs to promote TWIT. The difference, in my mind, is once again the format - TWIT is a true podcast, and FTL isn't. It's a broadcast radio program repackaged as a podcast.

Both valuable, both with a place, and both need to be on this site. I just suggest categorizing for clarification and rating purposes.

[Ian]

So, in your mind, FTL is a podcast but not a "TRUE podcast"?

How is it different? We record our show, edit the spot breaks, and put it online, now in podcast form.

So to be a TRUE podcast we'd be: recording our show, editing mistakes, and putting it online in podcast form?

Seems like the same to me. I sure feel like I'm podcasting.

Also, my radio audience and my podcast audience are NOT one in the same.

[Ian]

Ian,

I don't have anything against your show being on this or any podcast website.
My first post was not a response to you, by the way. It was Charlie who said "your kind don't belong here".

[Patrick]

I just saw that we are both in Tampa, so that's very cool.

It's such a subtle difference on paper. I don't mean to offend with the term "true podcast".

The fact that you admit your audiences are different further illustrates my argument, I think. How many people do you think are finding your radio show or podcast through this and other podcasting websites? Surely you've noticed an audience spike over the past 8 months.

I've got nothing against broadcast radio. I'll be the first to admit I am subscribed to your show. My whole initial argument was to do with voting and ratings.

[charleyw]

My first post was not a response to you, by the way. It was Charlie who said "your kind don't belong here".

Okay...so then.... "rss" equals "podcast". Nothing more. Nothing less.

I mean, if that's the case...fine. At least we've got our definitions straight.


Charley

[Patrick]

LOL!

I don't think RSS and podcasting are the same.

I'm starting to see what a complicated issue this is, though. I am learning a lot.

[charleyw]

I don't get on here and attack other podcasters like you do, charleyw. My message to other Podcasters is: keep doing it. Only the strong will survive.

Shows like mine bring more attention to Podcasting, but you can't see that because you're some bizarro purist.

Does that count as attacking another podcaster?

Charley
"The Bizarro Purist" :lol:

[Ian]

No, I don't think so, because you made it clear that you don't think we belong. That means "Purist" is accurate.

[Charles]

It seems like some uninformed people are only interested in childishly ranting, calling names at a junior high mad boy level and making up their own out of their *** changing definitions that are only defined that way by them.

That is wanting to be antagonistic on purpose, very stupid and very unproductive of them.

The Facts are that the podcast directories and podcast experts(not a very jealous angry at the world youngster here) list the Wikipedia definition as The Accepted Podcast Definition. It does not mean it is solely produced for podcasting as someone else mistakenly was insisting. It can be any audio from any source including from a current or old radio broadcast. Here is the very widely accepted "Podcast" definition:

"Podcasting
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Podcast)

Podcasting is a method of publishing sound files to the Internet, allowing users to subscribe to a feed and receive new audio files automatically. Podcasting is distinct from other types of audio content delivery because it uses the RSS 2.0 file format. This technique has enabled many producers to create self-published, syndicated radio shows.

Users subscribe to podcasts using "podcatching" software (also called "aggregator" software) which periodically checks for and downloads new content. It can then sync the content to the user's portable music player, hence the portmanteau of Apple's "iPod" and "broadcasting". Podcasting does not require an iPod; any digital audio player or computer with the appropriate software can play podcasts."

Note that the only requirements for a "Podcast" is that it is a sound file that is published on the internet that allows users to subscribe to a feed and receive the sound files automatically via a podcast aggregator.

Specificially there is nothing in there that rants and screams nonsensically about a "true podcast" that has to be only for podcasting and if you don't agree you are to be cursed at.

LOL ;)

An All Ad "Podcast" is truly a reviled "SPAMcast" that is being pushed aggressively on people. That is what most people are objecting to.

[RoadUP]

Well, well, well....I post and leave for a few hours and look what happens! :)

To throw my 2 pesos in, when it comes down to it I really don't give a fetid dingo's kidney whether a podcast started on the radio or as a download. As long as it brings something to the table culture-wise I'd love to see it thrown in to the mix.

Everyone has their line in the sand, and I guess I found mine today. The only problem podcasts I see are the ones like Big Seminar Live -- shows that, like packets of sugar, are all calories and no nutritional value. They don't provide a public service, they don't create or offer any insights into our culture, other cultures, or the world around us. They don't bring anything to the table other than a half-hour long infomercial designed to suck you into their cash register.

Nearly every other podcast I can see in the PA directory bring SOMETHING to the table be it music, conversation, debate, entertainment, etc., and regardless of original distribution method that's good enough for me.

I have family members that are hooked on multi-level marketing and get rich quick schemes. There are elements of that industry that remind me of weird pseudo-religious cults. People who buy into this stuff are always cross-referencing others in their pack to the new systems they discover, and they'll all back each other up to raise all the boats in the water, so to speak. So it's no surprise to me that soon after they appear Big Seminar Live gets so many generic-sounding high-five comments and large amount of votes. They need to give the show & strategies it represents exposure because they're about to refer their downline people -- the people that make them money by buying into these "systems" -- to the show.

These people are like locusts....they arrive in droves, consume all resources, then leave for the next new thing.

I'm willing to bet that Podcast Alley wasn't designed for this kind of gaming of the system, and I'm concerned the site and community will suffer because of it. That's all.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm new and I like it here. Communities evolve, but I don't want to see it change like this....a race to the bottom of relevence and content quality.

(Btw, I've heard both FTL and NLO. They're both entertaining, guys, and they both deserve support. How 'bout stopping the cannablism.)

-- Jim
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The RoadUP podcast is in production.

[Ian]

Bravo, gents. Please excuse my defensive tone. FTL was under attack by the purist crowd from early on. The attacks had died off untill these recent threads.

[Hittman]

Shows like mine bring more attention to Podcasting, but you can't see that because you're some bizarro purist.

It is rather entertaining to see a Libertarian rant about someone being bizarre purest, considering that the dogmatic purism of big L Libertarians is what keeps them from having any political clout.

I sure feel like I'm podcasting.

Feelings? We're going to base this on feelings?


Good lord, is anything duller than a dictionary argument? And wikepedia can be changed by anyone. I could go in there and change it, right now, to say

"Podcast: An audio file created for the purpose of distributing on the interent via RSS. Broadcast radio shows are not podcasts."

Of course, someone would change it back in a few minutes, and then I could change it again, and whoever got tired of the game first would lose.

This is a new media, so new we haven’t even settled on the meanings of the words. That's what this discussion is. Quoting Wikepedia on the subject is goofy.

I suggest we call anything originally designed for Internet distribution as a Podcast, and anything that goes over the air first as a Radiocast. If a podcast gets broadcast later (like on Sirius) it still remains a podcast.

A year ago the word "podcast" didn't exist. We invented the word because we needed it. Now, as the differences come into focus, we need another variation on it, for the purpose of providing more information to the end user.

That would make FTL a Radiocast. Not better or worse, but just different enough to need a different word to describe it. And the people who keep lists would decide if they want to acknowledge that difference or not. The free market in action, making decisions on more accurate information. And if they want to discriminate one way or the other, they'd be free to do so. What could be more Libertarian?

As I've said before, in the interest of seeing talented small fry get a shot without being buried by the big boys, I'd like to see a variety of recommendations easily available.

A list of the top podcasts
A list of the top radiocasts
A list of the top podcasts as voted by podcasters
A list of "my favorite podcasts" by the podcaster of the week

…and so on.

As for the MLM sheeple, if we just wait, they'll go away. If they don't, PA should remove them from the list. Perhaps we need yet another word – Spamcast. Spamcasts should be treated as all other spam, discarded quickly.

[owyn]

Hey.

Some people like spam (http://www.detritus.org/spam/skit.html).

Personally, I prefer something with a bit of meat in it. But, that's just my taste.

[mental-escher]

Note that the only requirements for a "Podcast" is that it is a sound file that is published on the internet that allows users to subscribe to a feed and receive the sound files automatically via a podcast aggregator.

Note to all - By it's very definition, podcasts are something that YOU, the listener, actively subscribe to.

If you think you'll enjoy listening to a particular podcast, then subscribe, and if don't like it, then you unsubscribe. Pretty simple actually.

Why argue about the "good, bad, and spamy" of it all?? Taste in the ears the of beholder (and yes, some people do like spam - and Hawaii is not such a bad place either!).

dw

[Patrick]

Charles, you really ought to stop posting until you learn to make sense.

[DVDTalk]

I think people are steamed that a show hit #1 by using email marketing tactics. It's a little harsh to call the person a spammer or rip them to shreds for doing what everyone wants - get to #1.

I think the bigger issue here is the whole paradigm of a votes based system to show ranking. The key becomes less about which podcasts are most popular or most listened to but which is most adept at driving votes.

I'm SURE chris is painfully aware of the benefits and detriments of the system. He's done a lot to try to make it fair, but the truth is that there will ALWAYS be someone who finds a way to optimize what they do for whatever ranking system is out there.

With companies like Feedburner out there doing a lot to try to get more concrete metrics for podcasts and the commitment of people like chris, I'm sure we'll see a genesis of the rankings from a vote based system to something more tied to actual reach.

Finally, I think this whole thing exposes the need even more of a system which reviews podcasts and assists people in finding the one which matches their interest. The truth is #1 for someone else may not be #1 for my interests. I'd really like to see more sites out there sift through the quagmire of podcasts and call 'em like they see 'em.

[JesusGeek]

I'm going to avoid the whole "what is a podcast" debate, but by keeping an infomercial in the #1 spot, podcast alley might be risking its credibility as a trustworthy podcast ranking site. seems like a BIG mistake, imho.

what i would love to see is a site like resellerratings for podcasts (and podcast/audio gear). If I was smart, I'd go register podcastsratings.com and build it myself, but alas, I'm a lazy butt...

just my $.02

[dcolanduno]

As I've said before, in the interest of seeing talented small fry get a shot without being buried by the big boys, I'd like to see a variety of recommendations easily available.

A list of the top podcasts
A list of the top radiocasts
A list of the top podcasts as voted by podcasters
A list of "my favorite podcasts" by the podcaster of the week

…and so on.

I've said that before as well, and I still agree.


As for the MLM sheeple, if we just wait, they'll go away. If they don't, PA should remove them from the list. Perhaps we need yet another word – Spamcast. Spamcasts should be treated as all other spam, discarded quickly.

I'd say just nuke them now, but yea, they will likely go away on their own. But I just don't agree with PA being an outlet for shady con-man style marketing like this.

[Hittman]

Why argue about the "good, bad, and spamy" of it all?? Taste in the ears the of beholder

We're not discussing good, bad or taste. Were discussing refining our language to make it more useful. The goal is not to shut anyone out, but to keep the door wide open without it being blocked by the fat cats. The only content decisions would be regarding spam. We have to keep it out of our e-mail, or our e-mail becomes useless. It would also make sense to keep it out of our top ten lists.

I see that stupid Big Seminar is now #1. What value does that offer anyone? How would you like to be #11, just out of view because of that piece of crap?

We now bring you six months into the future. . .

You sign on to Podcast Alley, and check out the top ten list. It reads:


The Rush Limbaugh Show
Become a Millionaire with Amway!
ClearChannels Top Ten Hits
The Al Frankin Show
Make Millions Day Trading!
The Brittany Spears Show
Wal-Mart's Community Corner
Success through Scientology w/ Tom Cruise
The O'Riley Factor
Hannity and Schivo

Disgusted, you visit another podcast directory, and find pretty much the same list. And another and another. . .

OTOH, if we make a simple adjustment to our terminology, adding Radiocast and Spamcast to our vocabulary, we can tag things to avoid the above list. Some of them would still be there, but it would be much harder to game the system, and the lists would remain useful, instead of becoming useless.

[allthewhile]

"Hannity and Schivo"

Actually it should be "Hannity and Whatever Huge Court Case is in the News"

[gilkman]

[quote]OTOH, if we make a simple adjustment to our terminology, adding Radiocast and Spamcast to our vocabulary, we can tag things to avoid the above list. Some of them would still be there, but it would be much harder to game the system, and the lists would remain useful, instead of becoming useless.

Usefule to whom? I guess it depends on wether you are a podcast producer or listener. It seems that many independent podcasters (ie not currently creating content on TV or radio) want a ratings system that allows them to "get attention" (ie make some money) while listeners are looking for a system that gives them entertaining content, regardless of the source.

[Ian]

I just don't get it. Of all the "radiocasts", only two have hit the top ten in recent days. Mine and Rachael Maddow. Why all the commotion? Why does that mean the podcast world is crumbling?

Maybe if another radio show gave a **** about the Podcast world, they would show up on the chart too, but clearly THEY DON'T and AREN'T.

If the top ten goes more than 50% "radiocast", your argument might have a leg to stand on. As it is now, creating a separate category for us will result in extra attention being paid to crap radio shows that don't care about podcasting (Al Franken).

Regards,
Ian

[Hittman]

I just don't get it. Of all the "radiocasts", only two have hit the top ten in recent days. Mine and Rachael Maddow. Why all the commotion? Why does that mean the podcast world is crumbling?

Has anyone said the podcast world is crumbeling?

Maybe if another radio show gave a **** about the Podcast world, they would show up on the chart too, but clearly THEY DON'T and AREN'T.

But they will be, and probably sooner than later. Why not prepare for the inevitable?

And we now have a piece of worthless spam in the #1 spot here. Why not deal with that too?

If the top ten goes more than 50% "radiocast", your argument might have a leg to stand on. As it is now, creating a separate category for us will result in extra attention being paid to crap radio shows that don't care about podcasting (Al Franken).

Or it could create more buzz about it. Or it could make the radiocasters pay more attention to it.

[Ian]

I don't see how it is you know it is "inevitable". You don't know what will happen in the future. Deal with it when it comes up, if it does.

I don't think that anyone said specifically that the podcast world is crumbling, but some have expressed the idea that we should be evicted from Podcast Alley. I'm wondering why they are so **** excited about segregating us, all of a sudden. Again, there aren't really very many "pro" shows on this site to begin with... :roll:

[dcolanduno]

I just don't get it. Of all the "radiocasts", only two have hit the top ten in recent days. Mine and Rachael Maddow. Why all the commotion? Why does that mean the podcast world is crumbling?

Wouldn't Inside Mac Radio... and possibly TWiT fit as well? I only put TWiT into that category because it's the equivilent of the Paris Hilton thing.
Someone that had a huge following from another big-media outlet that just does a podcast as well. Maybe that's a stretch, but in my mind, I see that show as driven from its huge media past.

Maybe if another radio show gave a **** about the Podcast world, they would show up on the chart too, but clearly THEY DON'T and AREN'T.

I agree, but all the 'give a ****' that ESPN radio will need is; "Go vote for our podcast" to generate a level of votes the current podcasters could never compete with. So, yes, I think that Your show, Micheal and Evo, Inside Mac Radio, etc... have put more effort into podcasting than 'hey, vote'...

But that is all FOX, Clear Channel, and such will need to do to generate a dominant top 10 of all commercial big-network garbage. They still won't give a crap, and will be the top 10. :)

If the top ten goes more than 50% "radiocast", your argument might have a leg to stand on. As it is now, creating a separate category for us will result in extra attention being paid to crap radio shows that don't care about podcasting (Al Franken).

I guess I don't see why business planning is a bad thing. The guys with the money are sitting around a table figuring out how to attack this whole podcasting thing as we speak. They *ARENT* just waiting until it's too late. So, I figure why can't we start an honest discussion on how to combat that issue and the spamcasting issue at the same time.

I guess, from what I keep reading, people just don't care. No problem, I can sit back and do nothing, that is always easier than lending a hand to build something, plan, and have vision.

[Ian]

I can't see a "big broadcaster" asking for votes on-air, but I suppose I can be proven wrong. Also, I think you overestimate the listener's motivation to vote. It will be very difficult to convert most radio listeners into voters.

[Charles]

Patrick Melton Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:15 pm

Grow up Patrick, you are being extremely childish in your whining & calling people names here. You are extremely new to media, very uninformed and don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Try being quiet and learning instead. It might actually help you learn something other than think one can just sit and try to crack some lame material into a microphone and put that out without much work.

[Patrick]

Charles - did it just take you 14 hours to respond to me?

I am new to podcasting. That doesn't make my opinions less valid than yours. We were all having civilized conversations. Your arguments on here are completely worthless because everytime you open your mouth you ramble on and on about the stupid Rachel Maddow show.

Any idiot with half a brain can figure out that your entire decision base revolves around your bias and loyalty to that one show. You can't carry on a legitimate argument when all you do is babble on and on about your favorite broadcast.

Let the big boys continue debating and mulling the issue around. Maybe go back over the thread and read some more. I have been perfectly willing to listen and accept others opinions.

Maybe you missed the post where Ian from Free Talk Live called me open minded because I was so willing to listen to things he said.

Get a spork and eat my ***.

[Charles]

[quote="Patrick Melton"]Charles - did it just take you 14 hours to respond to me?

No, most people were ignoring you so I was too. :)


"I am new to podcasting."

It sure shows because you don't know what you are talking about but yet you go on and on and on making no sense.


"That doesn't make my opinions less valid than yours."

When you obviously don't know what you are talking about and are very uninformed it does.


"We were all having civilized conversations."

C'mon now Patrick, you don't have to start lying about things now. You definitely weren't civilized at all and others have said so. You were ranting at others and calling names and screaming how some podcasts should be removed. Not very smart of you Patrick yet you kept at it.


"Your arguments on here are completely worthless because everytime you open your mouth you ramble on and on about the stupid Rachel Maddow show."

LOL! Still throwing the childish temper tantrum I see. That is complete bullshit from you and you know it. You obviously are extremely jealous of not only Rachel Maddow but the thousands of podcasts that are better than yours because they actually put value in their podcasts and you don't.

In fact it was you that continually and viciously attacked others on here which you should apologize for. In fact I only responded after you personally attacked Rachel Maddow out of childish spite & jealousy. You said to "Get Rachel Maddow out of here" People are wondering why you seem to be so discriminatory and sexist. Maybe they are right since there was even complaints about the racist nature of your little podcast rant.

Now calm down and take your medications Patrick because so far you have no basis or sense what so ever on here.


"Let the big boys continue debating and mulling the issue around."

That obviously doesn't mean you in the least since you are constantly advocating discrimination and sexism. You need to reread all the issues and learn a lot more since you weren't informed on the issues.

"I have been perfectly willing to listen and accept others opinions."

No you haven't. You have been extremely rigid and advocating all kinds of ridiculous discrimination. You have been extremely antagonistic toward others and have constantly called others names as you started again against me. You have big anger management issues that you should get treated for and not bring this to this forum.


"Get a spork and eat my ***"

That is an example that you continually are into personally attacking people and could care less about how big an *** you make of yourself. You are not credible at all and have no legitimate basis being here when you continue to act like you have no sense at all and are mad at the world in your very childish tempermental way.

Now simmer down and for once in your life try to behave like an adult which so far you have not done. I'm asking you politely to not personally attack me or others here or call others names. If you can't do that and act like an adult then you will confirm what most people on here think about you.

[Patrick]

Good arguments. I talk to intelligent people like intelligent people, and ***-clowns like ***-clowns. Care to venture which category you fit in?

Tell us all more about the Rachel Maddow show...

[Charles]

Good arguments.

Thank you.


[/quote]I talk to intelligent people like intelligent people, and ***-clowns like ***-clowns.[/quote]

Based on the way you have acted on here, people don't think so Patrick. Also remember that you are a self proclaimed clown. Maybe you should re-name your little show that particular curse of yours.


I'll ignore and delete the last attacking comment you made figuring that for you that was really restraining yourself. LOL!

[Patrick]

You keep saying what people think about me, but in actuality it's just you. Go read the progress of my posts, questions and revelations in this and other threads. I listen to people and state I am learning a lot.

I'm growing weary of watching you jump through hoops to insult me, so I will let you get the last word tough guy.

PS - Don't forget to throw a big "LOL!" in every post. It's ups your post's intelligence level immensely.

[Charles]

You keep saying what people think about me, but in actuality it's just you.

Sad to say you are wrong. Several people have mentioned your personal attacks and name calling of people. I guess in your mind they never said that and you forgot you do that.


I'm growing weary of watching you jump through hoops to insult me,

You should be very weary of personally attacking people with insults first as you have done to a few people here. If you can't stand the constructive criticism then don't be so fast to fire your tempermental attack trigger at people.[/quote]

PS - Don't forget to throw a big "LOL!" in every post.

Nah, only when you are being too ridiculous is it laughable. ;)

Chill out, relax... relax... you'll discover it's good for you.

Peace

[Charles]

P.S. - I forgot to say Patrick it was you that first brought up The Rachel Maddow Show with wrong information.

I never mentioned it at all until you made a point of personally attacking that show. I would have responded the same if you attacked FTL that way.

I won't repeat the wrong statements you made about it but you did say this strange statement right off the batt:

"Get her the hell off my Top 10 List then"


Peace

[Patrick]

Keep jumping...

[Charles]

No ones jumping... certainly not me...

All you have to remember is - The Truth Shall Set You Free


Peace

[Hittman]

I don't see how it is you know it is "inevitable". You don't know what will happen in the future.

Yes, I do. I can predict the future with varying degrees of success, as can anyone who pays attention to what's going on around them.

In the near future:

Italy's government will fail, and no one will notice.

Michael Moore will do a move full of innuendo, half-truths, and outright lies, and call it a "documentary." The left will love it and praise it to the skies.

There will be riots in several Muslim nations because they're pissed over some perceived slight to their stupid, hateful religion. People will die, and the US will be blamed.

Amnesty International will become as laughable as PETA.

Federal, state and local laws that limit or remove even more freedoms will be passed with little opposition.

Large corporate broadcasters will flood the internet with their "podcasts." Unless steps are taken now, they will render top ten lists absolutely useless, and make it more difficult for non-commercial podcasters to be noticed. Podcasting will become little more than Clear Channels Tivo.

See? Predicting the future ain't rocket science.

Deal with it when it comes up, if it does.

My doctor wants me make some changes to protect me against some things that haven’t happened yet. Putting up the plywood before a hurricane is much smarter than trying to do it during the hurricane. You build the fort before the battle, not during it.

Imagine a 600 pound fat guy who want's to sit in the kidde pool, forcing all the kids out. What were discussing (or trying to disucss) is setting up another pool, and saying "Here, we've made a place for you to sit, now everyone can be happy.

Intel CEO Extols Patience;
Yahoo Stresses Personalization;
Bloggers Take Center Stage

By JASON FRY
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ONLINE
May 25, 2005 11:43 a.m.

{much snippage...it's a very long article}

Jobs Promises Podcast Support in iTunes

The conference got underway Sunday night with Apple's Jobs giving a sneak preview of a forthcoming version of iTunes, the software for buying and managing digital-music files, that could boost the popularity of podcasting.

Podcasting, an inexpensive, do-it-yourself style of broadcasting, has become increasingly mainstream: Mr. Jobs cited podcasts put together by everyone from enthusiastic amateurs to major media players such as Clear Channel Communications, Viacom's Infinity Broadcasting and NPR. But until now, he noted, downloading and subscribing to podcasts has required users to download third-party applications to run atop iTunes.

That will go away in iTunes 4.9, which Mr. Jobs demonstrated for conference attendees and said would be available within the next 60 days. ITunes 4.9 will integrate free podcasts as a menu item, allowing users to listen to podcasts and subscribe to them, with new podcasts they subscribe to downloaded to their iPods when the devices are synched to an iTunes-enabled computer.

"I think this will send it into orbit," Mr. Jobs said, adding that he sees podcasts evolving into an advertising-supported medium similar to radio. In what was either a bit of self-deprecating theater or an object lesson in the perils of demos, Mr. Jobs then played the beginning of a podcast by former MTV personality Adam Curry that began with Mr. Curry lamenting that he'd restarted three times because his Mac had been acting up.

- - -

The fat guy is coming. We can't keep him away, even if we wanted to (and most of us don't).

Let's set up a pool for him.

I can't see a "big broadcaster" asking for votes on-air, but I suppose I can be proven wrong.

You will be. All it will take is one of the big boys asking for votes, just once.
Also, I think you overestimate the listener's motivation to vote. It will be very difficult to convert most radio listeners into voters.
It's entirely unnecessary to convert most listeners. A fraction of a percentage will do. The spamcast that is polluting the top ten now got there with 427 votes so far. When someone with millions of listeners asks for votes, if one out of 1,000 responds, it will be enough for them to dominate the list.

And Charles, what makes you the expert? Please be specific.

We are all newbees at this. Adam Curry is a newbee at this.

Oh, and one more thing Charles, could you please stop being a complete dick? We'd all appreciate it. Thanks.

[RoadUP]

Well now...

As the unfortunate sucker that started this thread, please allow me to be the one to kill it. It's Monday, I'm clearer-headed now, the peyote has worn off, and my tin-foil hat seems to be missing.

One of the things that makes podcasting attractive to me was that it reminded me to the old days of the internet. The days when all people wanted to do was just share information, have fun, and that's it. The days when you had an email account so anyone in the world, even total strangers, could contact you...and you actually wanted them to. As an archaeology student in a past life I remember having questions about the work of one of the top archaeologists in the world. I asked the members of a list I was subscribed to about it; their response...here's her email address, you can ask her directly, ya know. Mind-blowing.

A very utopiain-sounding idea was true for a while. Then more avaricious and unethical folks entered the scene, and now email is a high-walled fortress where few trickle through freely and everyone else is seen as a nuisance at best or, at worst, an outright enemy. Sigh.

So, yes, I freaked out a bit when I saw the Big Seminar Live show on the list. It just.....creeped me out. I've just barely arrived, and the salad days appear to be ending.

So all I meant to offer was a simple lament. However, it appears to have come out as some kind of fascist "Purge the Infidels" call or something, 'cause it's quickly devolved into a I'm-allowed-here-and-you're-not thing, ad hominum attacks, and unintelligent/immature banter. Remember, every reply keeps this topic on the site's frontpage. Is this how we want to represent ourselves to the curious outside world? Seeing as their are a number of "hey a journalist noticed my podcast on PA's front page and mentioned me in their piece" I'd have to say.....no.

Anyway, I now greatly regret my post. I never meant to advocate anyone being segregated or thrown out of a community I didn't charter. Hell, as one of the newest people here I couldn't make that arguement without expecting to be laughed off the board, anyway. I'm not even sure I'd be willing to deal with Big Seminar Live the way I'd deep down like to, as they are "playing by the rules established."

I know I'm bumping this thread up myself by writing this, but please...the world is watching, folks, remember? Allow the better angels of our nature to take over and let this thread die the death it deserves.

Please. Let. This. Die.


-- Jim

_____________
The RoadUP podcast is in production.

[Patrick]

This is the second time I've seen the original thread starter try to stop the conversation on this board. I've never encountered it before, but it's funny.

Like someone is going to go, "Man I have so many counterpoints to throw at this meathead, but RoadUP said the thread is over...****!"

No offense to you, RoadUP, but you trying to stop this snowball is like Tom Cruise trying to stop his dad's car from plummeting into Lake Michigan in Risky Business!

[Charles]

Good post Road Up! Don't worry though, its just a very little read thread in the back alley of the internet. Let those stupid childred throw their jealous tantrums ;) Speaking of jealous children throwing tantrums...

HittBoy you don't speak for anyone else here at all so don't make yourself look extremely stupid by pretending you do. You're unwarranted and completely unproked personal attack shows you for the lowlife paranoid loser you are. You only speak badly for your embarrassed self. You completely forgot that I wasn't the one that posted first, I responded with facts when I was unfairly attacked. According to you, people should just accept untruths & curses being thrown at them. Chill out dude.

Have a good week.

Is the thread over yet Road Up? It seems to be ;)

[Patrick]

I don't think Charles can go without saying the last word on anything. Watch - I bet he posts after this.

Come on monkey - jump through the hoop I am holding out...

[Charles]

I know that you couldn't resist posting again Patrick after you said that you wouldn't any more. Of course everyone one knows by now that you are one of the most full of it posters on here so I knew you would not keep your word as you delight in playing a name calling game playing child.

I don't think Patrick can go without saying the last word on anything. All you have to do is look at all the time he has wasted playing tit for tat in different areas on here. Watch - I bet he posts after this.

Come on Patrick Monkey - jump through the hoop I am holding out...
Then you will get your peanuts as the pawn in the game. ;)

[dcolanduno]

HittBoy you don't speak for anyone else here at all so don't make yourself look extremely stupid by pretending you do. You're unwarranted and completely unproked personal attack shows you for the lowlife paranoid loser you are.

I'm going to ask a personal question here, and I'm not trying to be a smart ***.

Charlie, who the heck do you work for? I ask, because, ALL your total posts here only add up to defending 'large broadcast' and 'radio' show podcasts with very bizarre tactics. You only just showed up to PA, and all you have really jumped all over is the defense of 'small' shows on the big broadcast chain.

You have a quick temper to tell people they have no clue what they are talking about and that they don't have all the information about broadcast radio. But, you, for all we know are VERY new here. AND, don't know the backgrounds of those you are talking to.

To let you know, SEVERAL people here have A LOT of experience in the big-media world. I used to be voice talent and a production engineer for ESPN radio, and worked for Clear Channel. I won't ever go back to either of those. Many of us have considerable experience in the business. You made a weak attempt to tell me I knew nothing of Maddow in an earlier thread, and I've know about her since before she was air-borne. And listened to her on her TWO shows before the latest version.

I, being from Vegas, would assume and place my bet on... you work, or have an interest in some big-media group, show, or otherwise.

I only ask, because your lack of prior posts, and the types of posts you push out now, just make me highly dubious of your goal.

[Ian]

Ms. Maddow's lovestruck Board Op?? :lol:

[dcolanduno]

Ms. Maddow's lovestruck Board Op??

LOL :)

I refrained from jumping to that conclusion!

[Patrick]

Ms. Maddow's lovestruck Board Op?? :lol:

Seriously. That's the only show he can defend. I was just thinking about how we had a civilized discussion the first night of this thread, Ian. This guy is a loose cannon.

Oh, Charles, cheers on pretty much copying my post and reposting it. You just proved my point. You're unoriginal and predictable.

[Ian]

Conclusion? I prefer "suggestion based on pure conjecture". :twisted:

[Patrick]

Conclusion? I prefer "suggestion based on pure conjecture". :twisted:

You big corporate radio guys and your fancy lexicon.

:wink:

[Charles]

I'm going to ask a personal question here, and I'm not trying to be a smart ***. Charlie, who the heck do you work for?

I don't think you are trying to just be a smart *** unlike only a few on these boards. However since this thread is not about you or me or anyone else here so this is the only time I'll respond on this.

I work for myself doing mostly different aspects of video, audio production & Macintosh technical bread and butter work(corporate & religious mostly). I don't work for any radio network, station or show. I know a few people that do podcasts but I have nothing to do with their shows. I am doing a little free consulting work helping a couple of future podcast shows. I have worked voluntarily on a couple of community college radio shows on a limited basis many years ago.

I ask, because, ALL your total posts here only add up to defending 'large broadcast' and 'radio' show podcasts with very bizarre tactics. You only just showed up to PA, and all you have really jumped all over is the defense of 'small' shows on the big broadcast chain.

Actually that is Not The Case At All. You are very mistaken Derek. I did not defend "large broadcast and radio show podcasts" I merely defended One Single small podcast that is also a small radio show after it was unfairly & incorrectly attacked.

I have been on podcast alley for several months. I just haven't been in the forums until recently. You simple are wrong. Anyone that is in the know would not call correcting an erroneoous vicious personal attack on a single small podcast that is also a small radio show jumping all over" "the defense of small shows on the big broadcast chain". I also stated that if FTL was attacked that way I would have stood up for it. To the contrary of what you said I was standing up for a small show.


To let you know, SEVERAL people here have A LOT of experience in the big-media world.

So do I, over 25 years of experience, but that is not what this thread is about.

I used to be voice talent and a production engineer for ESPN radio, and worked for Clear Channel. I won't ever go back to either of those.

You would if you needed the money. I actually kinda like doing different humble audio & video work. People keep thinking they are some kind of big cheeses when they really aren't. I think what tends to be missing on these boards is a sense of humility and mutual respect. I see too much quick reactionary lashing out at others in smartass name calling and even sexist or racist ways without people really thinking or researching first what they are saying before they post it.

You made a weak attempt to tell me I knew nothing of Maddow in an earlier thread, and I've know about her since before she was air-borne. And listened to her on her TWO shows before the latest version.

You are wrong again. You are confusing what I said to someone else and misapplying it to yourself. I suggest that you go back and read the thread. I didn't say that to you at all. I said that to someone that viciously attacked her show and wanted to ban her show. The funny thing about that was that they admitted they knew nothing about her show.

I, being from Vegas, would assume and place my bet on... you work, or have an interest in some big-media group, show, or otherwise.

Nope not at all. Thanks for that vote though Derek. I sure wish I did, I'm a humble worker in the vineyards of the video, audio & macintosh world.

[Charles]

Ms. Maddow's lovestruck Board Op?? :lol:

LOL!... hardly, actually that was Patrick since he has professed his love for Rachel Maddow. ;) Although I think that she probably would not swing that way.

It is quite easy to find out who the morning board op/technical engineer there is.

I heard that Patrick worked at the cheap WLIB/AAR studio for a day on Dr. Maddows former show Unfiltered as an assistant to an assistant but he was summarily fired for sexual and racial harassment. ;)

Maybe it was Chuck D. that busted him. LOL!

[Patrick]

"LOL!"

[Ian]

You big corporate radio guys and your fancy lexicon.


Hahaha! Me? Corporate? I got canned from CC after years of refusing to be their bitch. I'm an independent all the way, my man. Anti-authoritarian in all aspects. :lol:

[Patrick]

You big corporate radio guys and your fancy lexicon.


Hahaha! Me? Corporate? I got canned from CC after years of refusing to be their bitch. I'm an independent all the way, my man. Anti-authoritarian in all aspects. :lol:

I know. Did you miss the "wink" at the end of my post?

[Ian]

It wasn't really a reply to you, as it was to the void. :wink:

[Charles]

Seriously. That's the only show he can defend.

That doesn't make since young Patrick. You were completely wrong about TRMS and you admitted that you knew nothing about it. You were just freaking out for no reason at all.

I knew that you were lying about not posting on this thread again.

This guy is a loose cannon.

Something is seriously wrong with you Patrick if you have to always resort to being a stupid child lashing out with your name calling. Remember when you point at other people wrongly without thinking first that you reveal that you don't know what you are saying and you have 3 fingers pointing back at you. So who is the real loose cannon. It sure looks like it is you by trying to antagonize many posters on here.

You're unoriginal and predictable.

Not at all wild one, I proved you completely wrong on almost everything you said in your freaked out attacks on other shows, not to mention your personal attacks on others on this forum. Although those two words describes your lazy show in addition to what others have said about it(racist & bad)

I suggest that you learn to Relax and Chill Out...
It will do you a lot of good and help your nerves...

Peace

[Hittman]

HittBoy you don't speak for anyone else here at all so don't make yourself look extremely stupid by pretending you do. You're unwarranted and completely unproked personal attack shows you for the lowlife paranoid loser you are. You only speak badly for your embarrassed self. You completely forgot that I wasn't the one that posted first, I responded with facts when I was unfairly attacked. According to you, people should just accept untruths & curses being thrown at them. Chill out dude.

I really didn't think you could stop being a dick when I made the request, but it was worth a try. Sorry to have bothered.

BTW, you evaded the question. What makes you the expert? Be specific. Evade it again and we'll all know you're just a blowhard who has no idea what he's talking about.

The experience you site is very unimpressive, and certainly doesn't qualify you as having any expertise on this subject, not even a little. So please, let us know why we should consider you as anything more than a bloviating BS artist.

We're waiting.

I think what tends to be missing on these boards is a sense of humility and mutual respect.

That's hilarious, coming from you. How 'bout you try leading by example?

Or barring that, tell us why you are such an expert?

[Patrick]

That doesn't make since young Patrick.

Does it make sense, though? I was never really trying to make "since".

Tell Rachel Maddow to buy you a dictionary out of your next paycheck. And quit being jealous of my youth. Youth doesn't immediately translate into a lack of intelligence.

Jump, monkey...

[Charles]

Hittmann,

Apparently you didn't read what I wrote replying to Derek.

As I said, I have well over 25 years of professional experience in audio, video production plus many years of professional Macintosh work. It doesn't have to be impressive but I do know very well what I talk about.

I strongly suggest that you look at yourself before you go around calling people "Dick" unless they really are named Dick.

You seem to be extremely familiar with that term for some reason. ;)

Now back to real substantive topics.

Peace

[Hittman]

I would have bet a box of fine cigars that you'd evade the question, Charles. Thanks for proving to all of us that you're nothing more than a know-nothing blowhard whose opinions are worth less than a bucket of warm spit.

You have yet to offer anything of value to any conversation here.

I wish PHBbb had a twit filter.

[Patrick]

"LOL!"

[Charles]

I would have bet a box of fine cigars that you'd evade the question, Charles.

Hittboy my reply was to Derek, not to you. I'm not giving out extensive personal information like you foolishly believe anyone should do when you childishly scream & attack them. I have decades of professional experience but I don't believe in bragging all over about it.

Thanks for proving to all of us...(blah blah, I know nothing, blah blah)

You speak for no one else here so don't try to stupidly try to speak for anyone besides yourself. No one has to prove anything here, you certainly never have in any way.

Grow up Hittboy and for once put up a post that is something besides childish blather and insults. So far you have nothing to offer, nothing to add and no knowledge. I suggest that instead of insulting people that you grow up and try to learn a little something other than hate of others.

Peace

[Patrick]

You speak for no one else here so don't try to stupidly try to speak for anyone besides yourself. No one has to prove anything here, you certainly never have in any way.



He speaks for me. I'll back him up.

You talk on behalf of phantom "people" all the time, but I've seen no one here agree with your missives.

And, to top it all off, you're a moron.

Ready monkey? Jump...

[jimk]

Grow up Hittboy and for once put up a post that is something besides childish blather and insults.

Physician, heal thyself.

[Charles]

Watch this Patrick boy come back quickly with another childish personal attacking insult. That is what he has done on this forum.

Patrick Melton wrote:
You speak for no one else here so don't try to stupidly try to speak for anyone besides yourself. No one has to prove anything here, you certainly never have in any way.


He speaks for me.

No one can speak for you very young uninformed Patrick. Your words more than speak for you only. People wonder how many people you fantasize speaking for you. ;)

And, to top it all off, you're a moron.

Spoken like a very uninformed, paranoid person that lives to personally attack others.

You obviously are a very sick puppy that lives in the gutter of your mental illness of continual bs and personal attacks on people. I suggest that you get some help for your mental condition and get back on your meds Patrick.

Grow up very Immature Patrick, you are the only monkey that is jumping here. Watch you jump back quickly again in your tit for tat game. ;)

[Charles]

I, for one, welcome our new PodSPAM overlords!

The Big Seminar Live (http://www.podcastalley.com/podcast_details.php?pod_id=2570) is #1! It's currently the most facinating and popluar podcast show out there. Hell, they need to get a promo to Adam Curry, stat!

And you thought commercial radio was going to be the problem affecting the exposure to Joe Sixpack's podcast? Just wait as more and more slimy marketing freaks start gaming the directories, lists, and general subculture. Like email, in many people's minds this is what podcasting will be known for.

And no, I don't know where to draw the line. Like they say about porn, I guess I know it when I see/hear it.


-- Jim
_____________

The RoadUP podcast is in production.

It won't offer great strategies for wealth, easy drug access, or member enlargment. It'll just be...fun. Hopefully.


Good points Jim. I wonder when this is going to register with Ferf/Chris.

[Charles]

<rant>
This is truly a slimebag show. #1 now. These jack asses are putting on a $2,000 seminar and the jist of it is how to take your business and market it through podcasting and subscription based Podcasting. Nothing new. People pay the 2,000 bucks becuase they are scrambling to figure out how to cash in on the craze. It's obvious, they throw their retarted seminar and get everyone there to vote on this site for them.

They also claim to be coining new terms like "zencasting". If they want to have a Podcast like this, big ****ing deal, let em. My problem with it is that shows like this hit number one unfairly and the good shows get buried and get harder to find. Yeah I know this is a common beef. They truly are the annoying 800x600 pop up ad of Podcasting.

Some of the real Podcasters should join together and create a Better Podcast Bureau or something and figure out ways to help weed out these info mercials and voting frauds. If the bureau made a complaint to the directories (and the directories worked with them) to remove offending sites from the directory it would help push these jokers out. Eventually the crap will get weeded out.
</rant>


Very good post Andy, well said.

What do the people that put this crap out say other than begging for votes on their sham suckers list?

[Charles]

Oh, and about the topic of the thread:

Awfully suspicious that the Big Semenar got about 20 votes in April and May total, and now hundreds more within the last few days...

I'd love an explanation for that. However, we will reach #1 with or without an explanation.


Very suspicious indeed Ian. However it appears they sent out a mass email begging for votes and small percentage of the sheeple responded. They are good scam/sham/MLM/Pyramid sharks after all so this should not be a surprise.

[Charles]

I kind of agree here. If you have a radio show...then it's a radio show. It doesn't belong on Podcast Alley.
Excuse me, but who made you king?

Podcasts don't have the luxury of the exposure that radio gives, whether it be satellite or otherwise.
Luxury? Do you think I'm sitting back in a golden throne with people just lavishing attention on my show?

Exposure? All of the exposure I've gotten, I've earned.

Let's level the playing field here.
Classic collectivist whine. The playing field is level. I've been working for over 7 years to get where I am today. You put that time into your podcast, and then come talk to me.

I don't look to Podcast Alley's rankings for radio shows with commercials cut out. I look for podcasts.
You're some kind of strange purist. I'd like to know how you define "podcast".

It's not the commercials that make the difference. Soon, more and more podcasts are going to have sponsors and/or commercials. But they'll still be podcasts and they won't be what you get on radio. These are the shows I want to find on Podcast Alley. Not radio.
Is that your bias? Are you just anti-radio?

I don't get on here and attack other podcasters like you do, charleyw. My message to other Podcasters is: keep doing it. Only the strong will survive.

Shows like mine bring more attention to Podcasting, but you can't see that because you're some bizarro purist.


Agreed, a podcast is a podcast no matter if it also goes out as a little radio show or recorded at some event. There is no need for paranoia or to feel threatened by all the different audio programs that are podcast.

The only thing that people agree on here is that a program that is one long Ad Spam like the Big Live Seminar scam is an unfair sham clogging up Podcast Alley with sham votes. It has no business being on Podcast Alley.

[Charles]

So, in your mind, FTL is a podcast but not a "TRUE podcast"?

How is it different? We record our show, edit the spot breaks, and put it online, now in podcast form.

So to be a TRUE podcast we'd be: recording our show, editing mistakes, and putting it online in podcast form?

Seems like the same to me. I sure feel like I'm podcasting.

Also, my radio audience and my podcast audience are NOT one in the same.


It is hypocritical for anyone to say in a very politically correct way that there is such a thing as a "true podcast". There is no way for anyone to say what is a true podcast. It is a very vague term that means a hundred different things to a hundred different people. If a audio program is on the internet and can be downloaded by an aggregator then it is a Podcast. It does not matter whether the audio originated at a studio, college, dorm, apartment, street, cafe, park, or the bathroom. ;)

By the way Ian, how come there is no website at www.podcastpurist.com yet? ;)

P.S.- Good to see that the attacks against podcasts like FTL, TRMS & others that are also on a small number of radio stations aren't going on any more. I guess they have seen the light.

[Charles]

Here is a question for you:

Is there any where in the Podcast definition that should allow room for PodSpam?

Where should PodSpam be relegated to?

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"Podcasting
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Podcast)

Podcasting is a method of publishing sound files to the Internet, allowing users to subscribe to a feed and receive new audio files automatically. Podcasting is distinct from other types of audio content delivery because it uses the RSS 2.0 file format. This technique has enabled many producers to create self-published, syndicated radio shows.

Users subscribe to podcasts using "podcatching" software (also called "aggregator" software) which periodically checks for and downloads new content. It can then sync the content to the user's portable music player, hence the portmanteau of Apple's "iPod" and "broadcasting". Podcasting does not require an iPod; any digital audio player or computer with the appropriate software can play podcasts."

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I had noted before that the only requirements for a "Podcast" is that it is a sound file that is published on the internet that allows users to subscribe to a feed and receive the sound files automatically via a podcast aggregator.

Anyone find a definition or description anywhere of "PodSpam"?

[Charles]

Someone notified me that AfterNic.com is selling the domain name of

http://www.podspam.com/

Maybe big live spam seminar should get that as their new website ;)

[Charles]

It is good to see people getting the focus back on the topics at hand today and not getting sidetracked with pointless off topic side discussions. That should be way behind all of us now that some time has passed.

Time for us to enjoy the day and get on the topic at hand.

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Has anyone actually listened to one or more of these SPAMCASTS that can give a report on it?

I downloaded one but I haven't listened to it yet.

Is big live seminar really just a come on for their $2000 podcast money making sham?

What is their hidden agenda and what are they really selling?

Is all they are is just another sleazy barely legal Multi-Level Marketing Pyramid Scheme?


For some reason it seems that if they were legitimate that they would be on these forums telling people that they were on the up & up and inviting scrutiny by someone like the Better Business Bureau and more.

Does anyone have any answers to all the questions about them?

[Charles]

Youngun Hitt, chill out my man... No need to bring bad vibes around.

Off topic discussions and mean attacking absurd name calling was yesterday and before. You are way late. People have moved on.


I asked some good on topic questions. Do you have anything to contribute on topic to them?

You may find you do if you think a lot on them.

[Patrick]

Holy crap, I really hit the jackpot, there.

This guy really does just go on and on about nothing.

[Charles]

Staying On Topic...

What are your impressions of the Big Live Seminar website?

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Have you gotten any email from them?

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What is your impression of their sales pitch?

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How do you compare them to other MLM Pyramid Sales Schemes?

[Patrick]

Who are you talking to?

You're the only one who has posted in the past page...

[Charles]

One never ever knows when someone has gotten them really good. ;)

It's not too hard to do. ;)

[Charles]

Morning Patrick!

What do you have to contribute on this fine day that is on topic?

I have put forth some good questions relating to the topic. We can start there.

The Topic clearly says -> PodSPAM

[Hittman]

Ready monkey? Jump...

Patrick, I am impressed.

This old fart with the imagined expertise is so predictable that getting him to jump through the hoop once is easier than getting Ted Kennedy drunk. But you got this phony fogy to jump eight times in a row. Posting the same crap over and over and padding it with long quotes from people smarter and more experienced than him. (How many people fall into that category? That would be, let's do the math. . . carry the nine, add up this column, do the guzintas, divide by IQ points . . . and the total is. . . everybody.)

And while I was writing this, two additional, Bonus Jumps.

Very nice work Patrick. Very nice.

[dcolanduno]

Congrats Charlie, you are now an 'Alley Regular' with only two threads!

;)

****, you almost have as many posts as I do!

[Charles]

Congrats Charlie, you are now an 'Alley Regular' with only two threads!

;)

****, you almost have as many posts as I do!

LOL Derek! :)

It has been several but one of the other posters threads was closed on them when they were too vocal.

Well to be accurate, the forum software burped a couple times and did a couple of weird double posts. Turns out you can't delete them as it forces you to put at least 2 characters in.

Maybe that is a message from the board software to EVERYONE on here ;)

[Craig]

Good grief, that's what I get for not paying attention. Locking this one down boys since you can't play nice. Please review the forum rules, especially the first item:

http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1081

The radio shows vs. podcast discussion can be continued here:

http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2159

If you opt to continue the personal attacks you risk being banned from the forums.

Craig
Moderator