Soccergirl, incorporated

[soccergirl]

I want to be top rated.

Don't you guys love me?

I love you.


xox,
Soccergirl

[Craig]

http://www.podcastalley.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1323&highlight=&sid=42a544d1db68095291a8916238fcf57c

Please don't cross-post. Thanks.

Craig

[soccergirl]

oh, ok. sorry
publicity rampage got my goat

[Craig]

No problem.

Craig

[allthewhile]

and please don't post pictures of your boobs. not cool.

[SHITE.com]

By 'not cool' he means 'very cool'.

[soccergirl]

sure-- more, not less.
But for those of you who DO want boobs... check out my website.
Also, are boobs really pornagraphic?
You can walk around showing them in Europe.
huh.
Who knew.

[soccergirl]

By 'not cool' he means 'very cool'.

and, thanks man!
you can check out my website anytime!

[Craig]

Also, are boobs really pornographic?
In and of themselves, no. I guess Chris needs to add a "no nudity" clause to the PA rules to be specific!

Craig

[soccergirl]

I don't think he necessarily HAS to include that in the clause. I guess most people just assume it. I guess I'm not most people. Ah well.

[Craig]

I'm not most people either. I'd be a lot larger if I was.

Craig

[soccergirl]

good one

[yaz]

boobs aren't porno in europe...

[soccergirl]

exactly.

[sweek]

Really, work a little more on your content.

Just talking about sex and what seems to be purposely using the language you're using doesn't exactly make a good show.

And your breasts aren't that special.

Really, I haven't got a problem with any of those things, it's just that this sounds quite stupid.

[soccergirl]

Have you listened to the show?

[sweek]

Have you listened to the show?
Yep, just heard #5, that's why I commented.

[soccergirl]

Well, thanks for listening, and I'm sorry you didn't like it.
Hope you change your mind.

xox
-sg

[soccergirl]

p.s. I'm not just talking about sex. Also, what language are you referencing specifically? Words like "boobs" or "soccer" or maybe "Kyrgyzstan"? Just looking for a little clarification, as I seem to have used a wide variety of words in my shows so far, and I fail to see how they, as a whole, are responsible for this, um, what did you call it? stupid? show I've got.

I'm just being myself. Sexual politics are important to me. What kind of content do you mean exactly? I get the feeling that you're dismissing something that makes you uncomfortable, or maybe you just disagree about what constitutes "content". Either way, you are of course entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.

[sweek]

You seem to use the word **** quite a lot, which is a word I don't have a problem with, but if you use it as much as you do, I just think it starts sounding, well, not the way I want a podcast to sound anyway. The whole purpose of a word like that is to use it when you're really angry or something like that, but by using it that much, I think it kind of gets degraded and it mainly becomes a habit to say it.

But I'm sure you'll have an audience, I'm just not one of them I guess. :)

[pdxtito]

Her claim to fame is that she showed her tits at Dawn and Drews site. Big deal, there are plenty of girls like that already on the net. Podcasting is all about substance, not flash. How about a little more substance soccer girl?

[yaz]

no ****, like there aren't enough pics of sloppy tits around the internet...

[Craig]

Guys, a reminder from the forum rules:

While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users. Flaming or abusing users in any way will not be tolerated.

Thanks.

Craig

[soccergirl]

Guys guys, settle down.
My "claim to fame" is just that I'm open with my sexuality. Sure I posted my tits on the DnD board. I wasn't trying to get everyone to think my boobs are better than anyone else's. They asked and I obliged. Simple as that. Of course there are boobs everywhere on the internet. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. There are boobs everywhere, but smart girls trying to get people to get over the fact that they show their boobs, AND have something to say are few and far between. Why are you all so angry that I use my body as one of MANY selling points? Plenty of podcasters (male for the most part) talk about sex all the time, use the work "****" and are always trying to get women to post naked pictures. This is their "content". You seem comfortable with that. Why is it so threatening for a woman to do the exact same thing with her own body? Isn't that preferable because it's not exploitative? Is it your hard on that bothers you? Does that make you jealous because you don't have boobs to give other guys hard-ons with?

Then I wonder: have these guys really even listened to more than five seconds of the show? What about the funny stories that aren't even remotely about sex? What about the interviews about trips to Prague, and the harrowing world of living in your own place for the first time, family dynamics, parental supervision, etc. etc. Then there's the WIDE variety of discussions on the message board from people all over the world... So, does the fact that you're all so disparraging about my breasts really have ANYTHING to do with the fact that there isn't other content (a point I just proved wrong), or is it because you all can't stand the fact that a smart and funny woman is empowered by her body, proud of it, and more confident than any of you?... so... now your feeling inadequate and threatened... might as well call her a stupid, vacuous whore who just uses her tits for cheap votes on Podcastalley. Yeah, guys, he he, good idea... that'll shut the bitch up... *beat fists on chest* *dent beer can on head* *feel secure in manhood*

p.s. Craig, thank you very much for defending me. However, I'm absolutely fascinated by the spelling-mistake-riddled heckling these silly boys seem to mistake for astute criticism. So, if you can stand it, I'd really appreciate it if you could let them make fools of themselves for my amusement. Thanks, buddy.

[jeffoest]

I read all that but only saw the word "breasts"

Cool.

;-)

Actually I think you are much more cool when you're brash and 'out there' than when you try to 'rationalize' your brashness and out there -idness.....

[soccergirl]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't feel the need to rationalize. I just thought I was talkng with reasonable people who might start to learn a little something about female empowerment. Smart until proven meathead I always say. Oh well.

[soccergirl]

Oh, and thanks.
xox

[Version3]

My "claim to fame" is just that I'm open with my sexuality. Sure I posted my tits on the DnD board.

As a mostly quiet observer on the subject (I'm view both forums) I have to say that you go past 'open' and jump to advertising your sexuality. There is certainly an audience for it, as you know you've had a very good reaction with it over at DnD. It might be a better place to center your promotion around your shots. I actually don't have a problem with you showing them or not showing them, my complaint about your photos is an odd one (from a photo hobbist point of view)... you need to have someone good with human composition show you some better poses, particularly for your head and face. You end up with a very odd look about you, and not in an art sense. You need to find poses that compliment your features, not that make you look dark or all super-alternative lifestyle like. It's just my opinion, but I DID actually look at some of the photos rather than just the breasts.

I wasn't trying to get everyone to think my boobs are better than anyone else's.

I'm not sure where that acusation comes from either. I wouldn't even have addressed it in your position... there is no point.

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make.

Not really. There are plenty of websites about hobbies that don't have to include boobs. Not a lot of boobs in the RC car or plane world. Not a lot of boobs being flashed in a forum about music gear or music production. It's a forum about podcasting and podcasts. Using your body to market is probably fine, and at least you have them to use... but you should send people to your site (a disclaimer in your sig might be advisable here on this site) to see how 'raw' you are about your sexuality and instead use this forum to find out more about the world of podcasting and letting people know what else is in your head. Giving people a bettter idea of who you are will likely give them a better idea about your podcast being for them, or something they wouldn't be interested in.

Why are you all so angry that I use my body as one of MANY selling points?

I don't know that we've seen any of your other selling points here yet. Maybe I've missed them among all of the boob talk?

Plenty of podcasters (male for the most part) talk about sex all the time, use the work "****" and are always trying to get women to post naked pictures. This is their "content". You seem comfortable with that.

Not exactly. You should search the forums and read for a bit. You will find that people beat on other shows for similar content problems. Some of the ones that end up in the top ten (especially in the comedy genre) have been picked apart for exactly that kind of overusage of the 'f word'. Most people that know you touch on the topic of sex, or are being yourself don't care that you use the word '****' to completely convey your point or even to make people understand to what degree something is '****ing stupid'... but just using it all of the time to use it is like 13 years olds that 'smoke'. They hardly ever inhale they just hold the cigarette for all to see how 'cool they are'. I think THAT is the problem people have when you use it a lot.

Why is it so threatening for a woman to do the exact same thing with her own body? Isn't that preferable because it's not exploitative? Is it your hard on that bothers you? Does that make you jealous because you don't have boobs to give other guys hard-ons with?

You seem smarter than to take this cheesy argument and try to make something out of it. Guys are never jealous that they can't advertise their breasts... no matter how many times women try to acuse them of it. They are likely just jealous that they don't have any to stay home and rub. Guys wouldn't want to advertise them, they'd want to hog them to themselves, or spend an entire afternoon rubbbing them against their woman's breasts. Don't women know anything about us?


Then I wonder: have these guys really even listened to more than five seconds of the show?

Likely not. I have not, but it isn't the complaint being made. It's the all booby promotion thing that's got everyone worked up... not your show. If you DO have content, advertise that.

or is it because you all can't stand the fact that a smart and funny woman is empowered by her body, proud of it, and more confident than any of you?

I hate the way the sexes debate these days in this country.

Most men want to see boobs about as often as they can. But when they come here to discuss and find out more about podcasting, quite possibly with their families very near by they don't want boobs shoved in their face right then. It has nothing to do with being threatened or female empowerment or any of the other popular anti-male drivel you are starting to touch on. It has to do with the fact that this site is about podcasting, and needs to be respectful of other people. You see boobs as something natural and no big deal... but you can't force your views into the home of any of the godcasters or anyone else here, just as they can't force theirs into yours. When you continue to use sex as your only promotion tool (that I've seen) for a show that isn't just about sex you are being disrespectful to other's views. I think the link method was a fix for part of the problem, but it is likely that the damage done by posting them off right now is going to hang around for a while longer.

... so... now your feeling inadequate and threatened... might as well call her a stupid, vacuous whore who just uses her tits for cheap votes on Podcastalley. Yeah, guys, he he, good idea... that'll shut the bitch up... *beat fists on chest* *dent beer can on head* *feel secure in manhood*

Hmmmm. I've already made my point with it, so I'll move on.

People here (even just the guys) don't like to be lumped into very general categories any more than women. If two people are taking immature shots at you because they don't want to see your chest, there is no reason for you to imply that all men are just simple and try to back up to chestbeating and making loud noise to shut you up.

This problem would probably go away if you'd just keep your boob content where it is very well accepted (DnD forum or wherever) and start getting involved in discussions about podcasting, or what ELSE your show is about. The people who are taking less than clever shots at you will get bored with it and this talk about your chest will just fade away.

[soccergirl]

Wow. I have a whole lot to say in response to this, and not enough time to do it right now. I'll take the time later.

For now, a quick review:

1) Re: your comment about people learning about podcasting here as opposed to other sites where my "advertising" is more acceptable-- I'm not posting any pictures here. There was just the one which was up for about .5 seconds. I'm just responding to the comments. I've already apologized for posting the picture. However, learning about podcasting includes talking about the content of podcasts, their subject matter, etc. Enough, said.

2) I quite like my pictures, thanks.

3) Whatever definition you may have of "overboard" is your definition. This is a judgement call. As such, isn't really a compelling argument.

4) My "cheesy" "man hating" ... what was it you called my arguments? It shows your ignorance of the issue at hand, and your misunderstanding of where I was directing my sentiments. I was berated and insulted. I've been berated and insulted by several self-identified male critics. While berating me, most of them have polarized the issue all on their own: them (as men) versus me (as a woman). I do feel affronted as a person in general, but also as a woman specifically. They did that. I responded to that in turn. I love men. I respect everyone's opinion. I don't respect rediculous nasty uneducated insults. Do you?

More later.

I hope everyone feels like this can be an interesting discussion. Obviously I feel like it's an incredibly important issue in the world of podcasting, and thus, belongs here. Thoughts?

[soccergirl]

Just an addendum:
Once again, I absolutely wasn't talking about men in general. I thought that was obvious. I was also TRYING to talk about the other aspects of my show but certain people couldn't get over my chest. Why is that my fault that they're rediculously infantile?

[soccergirl]

O.k, I can't help myself. Did you seriously say that I "lumped all guys together" and that this is wrong, and then follow it with:

"Guys are never jealous that they can't advertise their breasts... no matter how many times women try to acuse them of it. They are likely just jealous that they don't have any to stay home and rub. Guys wouldn't want to advertise them, they'd want to hog them to themselves, or spend an entire afternoon rubbbing them against their woman's breasts. Don't women know anything about us?"

Who the **** are you to speak for "guys" in general?

Talk about a gross generalization!

Plus, you're saying NO guys EVER would want to advertise their tits if they had them??? I don't think I can even dignify that. What about male porn stars who show off their bodies all the time... ok... not dignifying it... deep breath...

[Version3]

It's your fault if you continue to feed the animals. The same rule applies for the level of debate you say they started (and I see that doing a bit of re-reading), but if they are stupid enough to start being like that, aren't you smart enough to merely tell them that you can't take them seriously with remarks like that and move on?

Or perhaps that fact that you feel so berrated by such underlings means that you do take them seriously in which case no amount of vocabulary or spelling perfection overlooks the fact that you perpetuate the discussion by 'feeding the animals'.

I'll try to look out for your response, because although I don't listen to your podcast and don't agree completely with your style, I think you're pretty intelligent and the geek factor makes your stuff worth reading (I told you that I actually read the other forum)... but I'm not going to get into a big time consuming debate about whether or not we agree with each other.



Anyone else notice that this forum is getting really heavy with discussions that are feuled by people just restating their point of view over and over, or offering sixty million examples seemingly expecting a different outcome? It's not that people don't 'get your point'... they just don't always agree with it. That can be okay when people don't take things so personal. This doesn't apply to this thread necessarily, but I just noticed it about the forum in general.

[Version3]

O.k, I can't help myself. Did you seriously say that I "lumped all guys together" and that this is wrong, and then follow it with:

Who the **** are you to speak for "guys" in general?



I think you really need to take a break for the forum and lighten up a little bit. I know I'm not the funniest guy in town, but this is a joke put in the middle to try and lighten things up. I wouldn't have expected you to completely miss something so obvious.

So much is lost in text I guess.

[soccergirl]

Whatever.
I'm not used to being treated like ****, so you know.
This is all important to me, so of course I take it seriously.

It's rather funny that you took it seriously enough to write a detaied response. You seemed to be "joking" at a terribly convenient time after the fact.

Ah well. What are these forums for if not discussion. Of course, beating my head against the wall isn't that, but I'd hoped for more from you all. Why can't it be constructive?

If you haven't heard the show, as it seems you haven't, then you really don't have a clue what you're talking about anyway.

I'm gonna go take some pictures of my boobs now. Then I'll advertise with them all over inappropriate forums just so that I can spark more enthralling discussions like this one and irritate people while they're working so hard at their jobs and simultaneously posting on these forums with their children and wives (wives that they dare not allow to see nudity) looking over their collective shoulders at all times.

Can't wait.

Nice talking to ya.

[yaz]

this is all too stupid...and i don't think you'll be able to post your tits on here anyway, goodbye...

[BLUE]

Yanno, I can't remember precisely how I found Soccergirl's podcast, but it is a safe bet that the promise of bare Boobies brought me to her, but yanno, I can't see her Boobies when I'm listening to her podcast and I still enjoy her Podcast. I might have listened once because of the pic of her Boobies, but all of the times I've listened since were because I found her show to be entertaining.

I dig podcasting. I'm hoping it lasts as a medium. One of the things I like most about it is that it isn't homogenized, there is probably a show out there for just about any tastes. If not, there likely soon will be.

One of the cats earlier in this thread posted about SG's use of language on her show. I understand the poster's point (sorry, I am too lazy at the moment to surf back up and get the poster's nick) about the overuse of profanity overcoming many other aspects of the show. This doesn't entertain him. Fair enough, and a solid point. The kind of point that should arguably be made up front. If you go to SG's site you are probably going to see bare Breasts and if you listen to her show you are likely to hear racy stuff profanely spoken. You should know that up front, if these things aren't your cup of tea, then skip it.

I have always had a serious problem with the delineation of language into these categories, as such I've cultivated the habit of overusing profanity. To that poster, I don't think you'd enjoy my show, don't waste your time (that line is meant respectfully, not contentiously).

I didn't see a pic of SG here on these boards, but I do understand the complaint if someone encountered nudity here in the forums without expecting it. Although I'm with SG idealistically and don't agree with the fact that unexpected nudity is unacceptable in such situations, the fact remains that in the society we live in (I'm posting from the U.S. just to provide perspective) an unintended or unexpected jpg can be the cause of someone's termination from the proverbial day-gig. Whereas SG's website announces that probability and places it in the proper spot.

As I said, I probably found SG in the first place at the promise of bare Boobies. I'm totally breast obsessed, I make no bones about it, I don't apologize for that, basically my obsessions with Monkeys, Boobies, Booze & the occasional side of Poker, well, they get me through my day
:lol:

I do find it sad that so many people have insulted SG by proclaiming her Boobies, themselves, to be less than spectacular. Don't listen to them SG! You be proud of who you are and what you've got. I personally find them aesthetically pleasing, you've made my computer a more beautiful place.

Further that, you be proud of your show, you are doing your own thing, and that is what this medium does so well, at least thus far, it facilitates a many different voices.

SG's show isn't for everyone. Any show that turns out to be for everyone is probably going to be far less interesting than the ones that speak to small groups on a more immediate and personal level.

Just my $.02

Oh and Craig, your sense of humor, especially the word-play, makes me smile.

[mental-escher]

wow- did some say breasts? I prefer small areoles and nice firm nipples, sorry sg...

[yaz]

It's your fault if you continue to feed the animals.

the sign should read, "don't show breasts to geeks"

[PoundCake]

I'm in agreement with BLUE here. The greatest thing about boobies is their diversity in shape, size, and form! The female body is truly a work of art, unlike the utilitarian nature of the male body.

SG, you are a BEAUTIFUL woman! And thank you for sharing your beauty with us all! People are so short sighted sometimes.

I'll bet the guys posting slams here are the same ones that don't look a woman in the face when they speak to them. Rather they look "down", like they're shy or something, trying to get a glimpse of some cleavage! :)

HA HA HAHAAA!!!

All in good fun everyone! No ill will towards anyone here. I just think people need to lighten up! If you don't LIKE them, don't LOOK at them!

And I listened to her show 'cause DND said it was good, or was it PK&J? Either way, then I found out about the breast shots. I had to look around 'til I got a good one, though. So, lighten up, everyone!

Make love, not war!! ;D

[mental-escher]

I'll bet the guys posting slams here are the same ones that don't look a woman in the face when they speak to them. Rather they look "down", like they're shy or something, trying to get a glimpse of some cleavage!



Wait a minute- women have faces?!?!?




BTW- All in good fun everyone! No ill will towards anyone here!

[PoundCake]

I have always had a serious problem with the delineation of language into these categories, as such I've cultivated the habit of overusing profanity. To that poster, I don't think you'd enjoy my show, don't waste your time (that line is meant respectfully, not contentiously).


Yup! HE MEANS it!! I was a guest on his show once. I find that he uses the profanity when there's no need for it! But, I just ignore it. :) Most of the time, I find it really funny! ;D

[soccergirl]

I'm so glad to see the conversation taking this thoughtful turn... Not just because you Simian Syndicaters are such flirts (and serious contest contenders, both of you!), but also because the thread was threatening to self destruct all over my tits, which would be more messy threaded tits than hot. Maybe I just needed to get the hell out of dodge for a while, let the natives tucker themselves out.

No ill will from me either, folks.

I know that I'm not for everybody.
There's a lot of me to go around, but everybody would get exhausting.

[BLUE]

I'll bet the guys posting slams here are the same ones that don't look a woman in the face when they speak to them. Rather they look "down", like they're shy or something, trying to get a glimpse of some cleavage!



Wait a minute- women have faces?!?!?



:D :D

Hey wait, I just realized that PoundCake never looks me in the eye...

:shock:

[soccergirl]

Wait, what kind of cleavage are we talking about?

[yaz]

wait, maybe the reason guys will look at the breasts instead of their eyes when they talk to women is because of women posting their tits online and doing all that other stupid **** to try to make men drool over them...ever think of that?

[yaz]

if the head is empty, i guess the attention will be drawn elsewhere...

[soccergirl]

Wait... what?

Oh, right, you were cogently outlining your brilliant new theory. It's about the impossibility of the coexistence of brains and boobs in the same autonomous body. Therefore, all the people who really "get" what's going on (rather than all the dolts who are all hung up on the persistent theories of the old paradigm) are totally exonerated from the typical "respecting women" thing or the "hypocrite" thing, and can check out the tits of the self-same woman they just spent hours slamming because she's too stupid to say anything worthwhile.


Oh, I mean... uh, brain...empty...boobs

[PoundCake]

wait, maybe the reason guys will look at the breasts instead of their eyes when they talk to women is because of women posting their tits online and doing all that other stupid **** to try to make men drool over them...ever think of that?

What? Are you gay or something!? Nothing wrong with that! My brother is a homosexual. Great guy, too! It's just that you keep slamming this like you're a FEMINAZI or something! So, what is it, Yaz!? Gay, FEMINAZI, or just plain ignorant!?

Please note: I am butt ugly, with a small penis. So, I am VERY well educated. Don't blame me, Yaz! You started that silly belief!!


Man this is funny, and ridiculous! It's ridiculously funny! :D

[soccergirl]

OH!
Yaz is gay!!

But what about man boobs?
Do the same rules apply?

Hmmm.

[soccergirl]

Gay, FEMINAZI, or just plain ignorant!?


No way dude! Haven't you been paying attention? Yaz has got his, um, thumb, on the head (to mix metaphors seamlessly) of the newest and most compelling scientific discovery of the past several centuries! Women who show their boobs are stupid! God, this really makes things so much less complicated.

:lol:

[PoundCake]

An' butt ugly men with small appendages are highly intelligent! :D


Oh, my!

[Craig]

This topic is doing absolutely nothing for podcasting or anyone contributing to it. More importantly, it's been crossing back and forth over the forum rules lines and just crossed back over again so I'm locking it down. Sorry folks.

Craig