View Full Version : Keith & the Girl declare "war" on Dawn n Drew
Ian
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:06 AM
Was looking at the competition and saw this (http://shitecom.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=3145#).
Some of you guys thought FTL was mean for being competitive! :lol:
This should be interesting. (Sits back and watches)
Ian
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:08 AM
Delete this post, please.
Ian
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:20 AM
Okay, so we have a couple in Wisconsin, and a couple in New York. 48 more states to go.
Whoopee!
:roll:
theFerf
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:53 AM
MODS: My subject line is getting cut off. :(
you have to play by the rules...phpBB rules, not mine. They set a maximum length to the subject lines of posts. Be less wordy :)
Ian
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:02 AM
Delete this post, please.
Ian
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:04 AM
Delete this post, please.
theFerf
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:06 AM
its always fun to watch people talk to themselves.
notyourusualbollocks
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:12 AM
It wouldn't be wise for Keith and the Girl to declare 'war' on Dre. ;)
MK
Illinoise
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:44 AM
Keith, Girl,
Why not declare war on terrorism or commercial radio, instead? Get on board with the world agenda, you greedy podcoddlers.
alissa
Apr 3rd, 2005, 09:05 AM
why not be like dawn and drew?
make love. not war.
robaustin
Apr 3rd, 2005, 09:16 AM
Uh...could it just be their April Fool's show? It WAS posted on April 1. Could they just be having some fun?
--*Rob
jeffoest
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:02 AM
It's a good publicity stunt. If they can get Dawn and Drew to even mention their name on their podcast, they get points. It's not a 'war' - it's an obvious play to get listeners.... (and it's a nice coup for DND to even have someone that thinks their podcast is worthy of a 'rant')... Wish someone would rant about us! lol
Version3
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:44 AM
I thought their super high vote numbers were suspicious though. They did a huge amount of climbing on April 1 (during the same part of day) before that April 1 show even showed up. Looks like a small army of dialup users worked the system for about 2 hours.
I just don't understand some shows, they only seem to exist as a reason to say the word '****'. I listend to about 2 minutes of K and the G and that's the category it quickly fell into for me. If it isn't, they need to work on the first of the show, becuase I'm sure I'm not the only one who tries out the first few minutes of a show before making a decision.
Just my opinion though.
spaz
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:17 PM
Is it just me, or does Ian seem like a broken record on this thread?
:wink:
Ian
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:41 PM
why not be like dawn and drew?
In case you hadn't noticed, they ARE like Dawn and Drew:
"Couple in ______, __ talks about whatever"
I predict that there will be more of these podcasts, because they feed America's need for voyeurism. Other people are indeed interesting, so I understand the appeal of the show. Personally I don't care for either. Both shows remind me of morning music radio jocks, actually. Keith and the Girl are New Yorkers who know how to yak, but the last place I care about in the world is New York. Dawn and Drew I think would be better doing a music show, and doing decent length breaks. Their show would be more focused with music.
make love. not war.
I'm all for that. Sex=good, killing=not. We need to bring every single troop home from abroad, and drastically cut the size of the military. Perhaps abolish it completely.
It should be noted that during the DND / FTL "controversey", Free Talk Live mentioned Dawn and Drew by name more than once on our nationally syndicated talk show. Competition is win-win for all, so I don't mind naming names. FTL did get to 1st for a short while in Mar. I think both shows got more listeners because of the controversey, and that's what matters.
Shooting for #1 again,
Ian
spaz
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:45 PM
I agree competition is good, war is bad...but if you bring home all the soldiers what are you going to do with them? I always thought war was some sort of population control...
As to other podcasts being like dawn and drew..why bother, why not be original..that's why I listen to podcasts....that's also why the best podcasts will always be the best, and shouldn't have to worry about commercial radio/podcasts...content rules...
Ian
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:20 PM
but if you bring home all the soldiers what are you going to do with them? I always thought war was some sort of population control...
Good question, and you are correct. Here's what to do:
1. Bring all our troops home from around the world.
2. Close and sell our military bases around the world. = BIG $$$
3. Use the proceeds of these sales to pay a HEFTY severance fee to all those currently employed in the military. (And fufill pensions for those who are receiving them.)
4. All military people are released from contract and free to go about their lives.
5. All extremely destructive weapons (nukes, other large explosive devices) are dismantled / melted down / sold for scrap. Guns and disarmed vehicles (Jets, Ground, Ships) are sold to the highest bidder. = BIG $$$
6. Use the proceeds of THIS sale to pay off the national debt, or as much as possible.
7. Since there is now no military, taxes drop dramatically, which means more take home pay for every working American, and more charity for those who can't work.
WIN WIN!
Best Regards,
Ian
yaz
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:39 PM
like bibb and i have said many times, a girl/guy duo for podcast will always work as long as they both talk about porn and sex, because all the people who sit in front of a pc and have no lives will listen to every single piece of crap they put out, e.g. dawn and drew...
we declared war a long time ago, but we didn't specify against who...
AndrewOnline
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:49 PM
Keith and the Girl are actually funny and interesting. DND never have anything to say.
And I think this fight is real. This isn't their first fight. The last one they started was with a blind podcaster who ranted about the TV show Blind Justice.
BrianZ
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:01 AM
Good question, and you are correct. Here's what to do:
1. Bring all our troops home from around the world.
2. Close and sell our military bases around the world. = BIG $$$
3. Use the proceeds of these sales to pay a HEFTY severance fee to all those currently employed in the military. (And fufill pensions for those who are receiving them.)
4. All military people are released from contract and free to go about their lives.
5. All extremely destructive weapons (nukes, other large explosive devices) are dismantled / melted down / sold for scrap. Guns and disarmed vehicles (Jets, Ground, Ships) are sold to the highest bidder. = BIG $$$
6. Use the proceeds of THIS sale to pay off the national debt, or as much as possible.
7. Since there is now no military, taxes drop dramatically, which means more take home pay for every working American, and more charity for those who can't work.
WIN WIN!
Best Regards,
Ian
Lose, Lose Ian
Do you actually believe that every country out there will just let us live in peace? Do you think North Korea will say, "Okay America, Truce"
Most countries out there would love for us to give up everything and lose our Super Power status so they can destroy us. I, for one, enjoy being in a powerful country. I think you underestimate the evil in this world. Granted, I don't think America is innocent in the world, but I'd rather we be the super power then say North Korea, or Pakistan.
I'm not a war monger. I was in the U.S. Army, and I'm a Democrat. As a civilian, you don't realize that every soldier knows that there is a probability that they will go to war, they do not want you to feel sorry for them, they want you to support them. When I was a soldier, I hated when people yelled "Send the troops home" because it made me feel like I was fighting for some ungrateful pricks.
When you are at the top, people hate on you. Smaller countries hate us because we are a super power. Dawn and Drew are hated on because they are at the top of the Podcast world. Hate = Jealousy
If you don't like it, you have to do something about it besides crying.
johnandwayneshow
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:28 AM
Good question, and you are correct. Here's what to do:
1. Bring all our troops home from around the world.
2. Close and sell our military bases around the world. = BIG $$$
3. Use the proceeds of these sales to pay a HEFTY severance fee to all those currently employed in the military. (And fufill pensions for those who are receiving them.)
4. All military people are released from contract and free to go about their lives.
5. All extremely destructive weapons (nukes, other large explosive devices) are dismantled / melted down / sold for scrap. Guns and disarmed vehicles (Jets, Ground, Ships) are sold to the highest bidder. = BIG $$$
6. Use the proceeds of THIS sale to pay off the national debt, or as much as possible.
7. Since there is now no military, taxes drop dramatically, which means more take home pay for every working American, and more charity for those who can't work.
WIN WIN!
Best Regards,
Ian
Lose, Lose Ian
Do you actually believe that every country out there will just let us live in peace? Do you think North Korea will say, "Okay America, Truce"
Most countries out there would love for us to give up everything and lose our Super Power status so they can destroy us. I, for one, enjoy being in a powerful country. I think you underestimate the evil in this world. Granted, I don't think America is innocent in the world, but I'd rather we be the super power then say North Korea, or Pakistan.
I'm not a war monger. I was in the U.S. Army, and I'm a Democrat. As a civilian, you don't realize that every soldier knows that there is a probability that they will go to war, they do not want you to feel sorry for them, they want you to support them. When I was a soldier, I hated when people yelled "Send the troops home" because it made me feel like I was fighting for some ungrateful pricks.
When you are at the top, people hate on you. Smaller countries hate us because we are a super power. Dawn and Drew are hated on because they are at the top of the Podcast world. Hate = Jealousy
If you don't like it, you have to do something about it besides crying.
dood, I think he was being sarcastic.
at least I hope he was.
Ian
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:29 AM
Do you actually believe that every country out there will just let us live in peace? Do you think North Korea will say, "Okay America, Truce"
I obviously can't guarantee that, but if we let other countries live in peace, that's a good start.
Most countries out there would love for us to give up everything and lose our Super Power status so they can destroy us.
You're a paranoiac. Have you interviewed "most" countries, or are you just pulling that out of your ***? Perhaps you could clarify which countries you're referring to, and for each one give the reasons why they want to "destroy us".
I, for one, enjoy being in a powerful country. I think you underestimate the evil in this world.
If you accept that there's evil in the world, then you should agree that keeping government small is the best way to stay safe. Why would we want evil people in control of our military and our government?
Granted, I don't think America is innocent in the world, but I'd rather we be the super power then say North Korea, or Pakistan.
Translation= "George Bush is my favorite dictator!"
I'm not a war monger. I was in the U.S. Army, and I'm a Democrat. As a civilian, you don't realize that every soldier knows that there is a probability that they will go to war, they do not want you to feel sorry for them, they want you to support them.
I should hope every soldier knows there's a chance they'll be in a war. I don't feel sorry that they were sent off to a war, but that they are sent off to illegal, unconstitutional wars. Considering you swore an oath to uphold that constitution, that's should bother you too.
When I was a soldier, I hated when people yelled "Send the troops home" because it made me feel like I was fighting for some ungrateful pricks.
We just want you to stay alive. The pricks are the ones who sent you into the illegal war in the first place.
When you are at the top, people hate on you. Smaller countries hate us because we are a super power. Dawn and Drew are hated on because they are at the top of the Podcast world. Hate = Jealousy
Sorry, that's not accurate. Dawn and Drew and the Catholic Insider do not go around dropping bombs on or shooting to death their competition. We're hated because we flaunt our powers all around the globe. We're not hated because we're number one, we're hated because we kill people's families.
If you don't like it, you have to do something about it besides crying.
Was I crying? No, I gave a concrete set of steps to stop this warmongering insanity. I simply presented the most sensible option for our saftey.
johnandwayneshow
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:32 AM
So Ian -- you WERE serious about dismantling the military?
Ian
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Yeah. If you want to hold my feet to the flame and be all constitutional, I'll agree to keeping the navy, as that's actually constitutional. However, I really think the best thing to do is abolish it completely.
Ian
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:40 AM
The power to destroy is just too tempting to our politicians. It's really getting us into some hot water.
johnandwayneshow
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:43 AM
okie dokie
*walks backwards slowly*
spaz
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:09 PM
ah, naive wishfull thinking....
Ian
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:50 PM
ah, naive wishfull thinking....
It may be wishful, but I'm not naive enough to think it's going to happen like that in my lifetime.
mental-escher
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Really... enough said- do something original, else sit down and shut up.
Example of their shows: "hey... you said jiz and f#@* (insert Beavis and butthead grunting here)".
yaz
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:19 PM
yea, pure stupidity, not funny...the whole war thing was taken a little overboard in this post...
Version3
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:00 PM
I think there are a lot of people getting into podcasting because saying f--k is really funny to them. I agree with what yaz said about any m/f duo talking about the same material will do well with a certain type of person our society produces... just watch their board for a few days, and try to say they don't fit bibb and yaz's description.
I like when people use their brains to be funny, or find a way to spin normally taboo things into comedy (midget tossing is really funny... right up there with old people falling down) , but unfortunately few people both use their heads AND have delivery.
Illinoise
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:06 PM
I would like to take this opportunity to formally separate our show from other m/f podcasts:
We don't have to rely on sex and F-bombs to be funny.
(We use "poop" to do that.)
I thank you for your time.
johnandwayneshow
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:22 PM
I would like to take this opportunity to formally separate our show from other m/f podcasts:
We don't have to rely on sex and F-bombs to be funny.
(We use "poop" to do that.)
I thank you for your time.Terds always get the job done. *plop*
camilian
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:47 PM
I am amazed at how many m/f podcasts use poop as humor. Not a bad thing, just something I have noticed.
PaulCasting
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:45 PM
When you are at the top, people hate on you.... Dawn and Drew are hated on because they are at the top of the Podcast world. Hate = Jealousy
I beg to differ. I think people hate others who didn't EARN their way to the top. Look at the way most people feel about the Hilton sisters. When we see some bimbo driving a brand new mercedes and we're struggling to keep tires on our 78 Pinto, we tend to feel there's a bit of injustice.
Also, if somebody is reaping the rewards of a system without contributing to it, most people hate that. Dawn and Drew aren't adding ANY creativity to the Podcasting world and I think most people don't care for that.
I'll tell you, I've listened to a number of shows such as DSC, The Bitterest Pill and FTL, and you won't find me talking about them in a negative way. Even if one of them was #1. If it's a good show, I'll applaud them and vote to keep them #1.
VincentVega
Apr 5th, 2005, 12:48 AM
why not be like dawn and drew?
In case you hadn't noticed, they ARE like Dawn and Drew:
"Couple in ______, __ talks about whatever"
I predict that there will be more of these podcasts, because they feed America's need for voyeurism. Other people are indeed interesting, so I understand the appeal of the show. Personally I don't care for either. Both shows remind me of morning music radio jocks, actually. Keith and the Girl are New Yorkers who know how to yak, but the last place I care about in the world is New York. Dawn and Drew I think would be better doing a music show, and doing decent length breaks. Their show would be more focused with music.
I found the K&theG show a week or two ago, and you obviously are so self- absorbed that you haven't bothered listening to that which you criticize or you can't recognize talent unless it has a fake "DJ Voice". I don't care much about New York either, but thier show isn't about New York. Keith is obviously a comedian, and I ****ed good one. I've read through some of his "Great American Novel", and the guy is funny. So for me, to listen to him riff for 30-60 minutes with his girlfriend (who is also funny) is more entertainment than a "show focused with music".
I have listened to Dawn and Drew, and it's not my thing. I don't know why it's number 1, but that doesn't mean I have to tear it down. I also don't condemn Keith and The Girl for doing it either (they didn't spend ALOT of time doing it kids). It's entertainment. If I had to guess, it's being done as a parody of all the morning show bullshit that Stern/Mancow/the next wannabe go on the air with every morning, saying how much the other show sucks.. The thing about being #1 at anything, you are a target.
yaz
Apr 5th, 2005, 01:09 AM
old people falling down is funny, but not as funny as when their false teeth fall out, when im old im gonna do it all the time...
and hey version3, that comment about brains and delivery, was that directed at us??? ha!
Ian
Apr 5th, 2005, 02:29 AM
I found the K&theG show a week or two ago, and you obviously are so self- absorbed that you haven't bothered listening to that which you criticize or you can't recognize talent unless it has a fake "DJ Voice".
Someone needs a little attitude adjustment. Take it easy, ace. If I hadn't listened, how would I know they were in New York? Oh, and I never said no one had talent. I simply expressed an opinion.
One man's garbage... to each his own VV.
I don't care much about New York either, but thier show isn't about New York. Keith is obviously a comedian, and I ****ed good one. I've read through some of his "Great American Novel", and the guy is funny. So for me, to listen to him riff for 30-60 minutes with his girlfriend (who is also funny) is more entertainment than a "show focused with music".
Try to actually read my post. The music comment was aimed at DND. Keith & the Girl are clearly able to hold their own. I just don't give a **** about the content.
I have listened to Dawn and Drew, and it's not my thing. I don't know why it's number 1, but that doesn't mean I have to tear it down.
You're like a hammer seeing everything as a nail. I didn't tear them down. I've congratulated them publicly for being #1 in the past, and this time I made a suggestion for their format. Geez.
I also don't condemn Keith and The Girl for doing it either (they didn't spend ALOT of time doing it kids). It's entertainment. If I had to guess, it's being done as a parody of all the morning show bullshit that Stern/Mancow/the next wannabe go on the air with every morning, saying how much the other show sucks.. The thing about being #1 at anything, you are a target.
Hmm, I don't make any sort of attack, but you attack me as though I did, but to your favorite show who CLEARLY lobbied an attack at DND, you defend them. Interesting.
charleyw
Apr 5th, 2005, 05:21 AM
Well, we have a m/f show...and we talk about politics and everyday life in Israel. People seem to like the fact that the show is about "something" instead of just rambling like so many of the m/f shows tend to be. It's funny and it makes people think. Definitely not your average m/f talk show, which is why I don't mind listening to the rest of them. They're not our "competition" because the show is actually about something. It lets us stand out. But hey, that's just me.
Charley
yaz
Apr 5th, 2005, 08:28 AM
unless you talk about sex, porn and poop, the m/f setup will not get you in the top ten...
Version3
Apr 5th, 2005, 10:47 AM
old people falling down is funny, but not as funny as when their false teeth fall out, when im old im gonna do it all the time...
and hey version3, that comment about brains and delivery, was that directed at us??? ha!
If the old person falls down face first, and their teeth pop out when they hit the ground... you've got gold!
No, it was a general statement about smart people being sucky at entertaining. The 1 week I spent listenting to podcasts uncovered **** loads of shows like that.
I've actually not listened to a whole "thing" yet yaz, I don't make much time to listen to podcasts actually. Partly because I have a lot of **** going on with a 11 month old and a business that isn't much older.
But it's also partly because I don't want to listen to other podcasts in my genre to avoid being similar or playing off of another show. However, if it were done on purpose that could be kinda fun. I'll have to think that one out more.
BTW: I think the VV is just Keith.
yaz
Apr 5th, 2005, 10:49 AM
yea, our things are long...ha!...anyways, with a business and an 11 month old im surprised you have time to do a show...my boss had triplets and he forgets his name...
Version3
Apr 5th, 2005, 10:52 AM
I make time for the show because it lets me relax, have fun and blow off some steam. The fact that I am so busy is why I never have any stories or rants on the show. I'm actually famous amongst our family and friends for 'going off' on anything and everything... now I have no life outside of the house and nothing to get worked up about.
Hmmm.. I need to make some random trips to Wal-Mart so I can get the pissed off feeling again. :lol:
yaz
Apr 6th, 2005, 03:14 AM
hey V3, goto the supermarket at like 3pm and make sure you have to drive past some schools with the stupid moms in the humongous suv's that can barely drive, then you'll encounter the old people and the cart retards in the market, you'll have lots to talk about...walmart can't hurt either...
Version3
Apr 6th, 2005, 09:20 AM
I believe we have ranted about all of those except the cart-tards on the show already. One of the Wal-Marts in our city was built in a nice part of town, but has a bus stop RIGHT outside of the parking lot. So, you get all of the people coming out there all day like they are at ****ing Six Flags for the day. I think I've seen them bring an ice chest and a sleeping back like they are camping. Then they just roam the **** place and turn their kids loose. It's funny in hindsight, but a nightmare if you have to spend more than 30 seconds there.
charleyw
Apr 6th, 2005, 09:25 AM
unless you talk about sex, porn and poop, the m/f setup will not get you in the top ten...
Doesn't give much credit to the listener, does it?
Charley
yaz
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:30 AM
obviously a lot of people want to listen to that, look at the rankings...
PupuStudios
Apr 6th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Doesn't give much credit to the listener, does it?
Podcasts have listeners?!
yaz
Apr 6th, 2005, 04:03 PM
yea, we got like 6...
jeffoest
Apr 6th, 2005, 05:18 PM
...and we are in negotiation for our 7th. Big announcement soon... ;-)
indiekid
Apr 6th, 2005, 05:20 PM
...and we are in negotiation for our 7th. Big announcement soon... ;-)
oh i'm waiting!@
garybibb
Apr 6th, 2005, 08:31 PM
So i was talking to this guy, and I'm like I have a podcast and he goes, you have a podcast? And I was like yeah.
jawbone
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:22 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I've had to fight off all the teeming masses of people who are asking for autographs because I do a podcast. It's crazy.
jeffoest
Apr 6th, 2005, 11:32 PM
Yea, what I hate is constantly being recognized in public. And the women, man....
I don't know about anyone else, but I've had to fight off all the teeming masses of people who are asking for autographs because I do a podcast. It's crazy.
yaz
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:06 AM
i tell people that i podcast and they think its some form of street drugs...
charleyw
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:43 AM
obviously a lot of people want to listen to that, look at the rankings...
Yeah, but soon, with more podcasters joining the ranks all the time, they're going to be splitting up a very limited pie.
And that's when people are going to look for something a little different.
jawbone
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:07 AM
i tell people that i podcast and they think its some form of street drugs...
:lol:
Best line of the day.
oakraidr
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:13 AM
Why does the discussion never stay on topic on this site? If you guys want to chat, get a room.
jawbone
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:25 AM
I blame Yaz.
notyourusualbollocks
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:57 AM
I blame oakraider because he just changed the topic with his post
yaz
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:51 PM
yea, its my fault, many of the professors i have in college kinda advocate running with an idea...i don't think its a bad thing...
Craig
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:21 PM
yea, its my fault, many of the professors i have in college kinda advocate running with an idea...i don't think its a bad thing...
Unless your idea has a point. You should never run with anything sharp.
Craig
ferg
Apr 7th, 2005, 03:07 PM
I would like to take this opportunity to formally separate our show from other m/f podcasts:
We don't have to rely on sex and F-bombs to be funny.
(We use "poop" to do that.)
I thank you for your time.
I would like to state that I love Illinoise. It's one of my favorite casts, but....
What is an F-bomb, but another word? A word that you don't happen to use, which is cool, but if you want to really seperate yourselves, stop relying so much on T-bomb's. That's right. Stop saying "the". Some of us find it offensive.
Along similar lines, sex is just another topic. We don't rely on sex either, or science ; )
yaz
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:05 AM
my wit isn't that sharp, so i can poke myself in the eye and i'll be ok...
and ferg, i like to drop poop-bombs instead of f-bombs...leaving the door closed for the next person...then you can hear the screams...ha! floater!
VincentVega
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:38 AM
Why does the discussion never stay on topic on this site? If you guys want to chat, get a room.
I blame IAN, mainly because he'll get angry and start ranting again about whatever he thinks will piss us off, and will make him look like the super smart guy that he obviously is.
:lol: Kidding IAN.. put the gun down man.. put the.. OH NO!!!
yaz
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:37 AM
i can see ian in that scene from falling down when he goes into the burger joint and asks why the burger doesn't look like the picture...but then again, most of my friends think im that guy...
Ian
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:47 PM
Why does the discussion never stay on topic on this site? If you guys want to chat, get a room.
I blame IAN, mainly because he'll get angry and start ranting again about whatever he thinks will piss us off, and will make him look like the super smart guy that he obviously is.
:lol: Kidding IAN.. put the gun down man.. put the.. OH NO!!!
Oh, now you want to ban my guns do you?!?! :lol:
I've never seen a message board where topics stay spot-on. It's in their nature to drift.
Falling Down is an excellent film, BTW.
Regards,
Ian
yaz
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:11 PM
oh yea it is, especially when he punches the guy in the face when they're in traffic, i live in nj and i think about that all the time and then i see myself in the back of a cop car so i don't bother...
SHITE.com
May 25th, 2005, 05:37 AM
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