To Fr. Rodderick and Other Catholic 'Casters

[Lifespring!]

I would just like to express my condolences to the entire Catholic community on the passing of the pope. He was a great spokesman and leader of the Roman Catholic faith, and he will be missed.

[SHITE.com]

WAAAH!

[Catholic Insider]

I would just like to express my condolences to the entire Catholic community on the passing of the pope. He was a great spokesman and leader of the Roman Catholic faith, and he will be missed.

Thank you, I appreciate it... I just came back from Saint Peter's square where I recorded the reactions of the 60.000 people gathered there. I was deeply moved. I'll try to get the podcast online as soon as I can.

Father Roderick

[allthewhile]

Thank you for your kind words. He was a great ecumenical pope and very much wished to see reconcilliation amongst the denominations. It never surprises me to see an evangelical who is greatful of his witness, although it gladdens me each time I do!

If you haven't read any of his writings, I would highly suggest reading "So they may be one." It brought me to tears several times.

He will be missed greatly.

[cc_chapman]

I just came back from Saint Peter's square where I recorded the reactions of the 60.000 people gathered there.

I left the Catholic Church a long time ago, but I can not imagine the emotions and energy that this must have been like.

I don't care what your religion or lack there of is, the Pope was still a great man and anyone passing on is never an easy time.

[yaz]

he used to play hockey i hear...

[Craig]

I'd also like to express my condolences.

Craig

[yaz]

and i can't believe he forgave the guy that shot him...

[indiekid]

i too would like to express my sorrow for the loss of one of the greatest people in the world. pope john paul II was one of the most incredible humanitarians of our time. a few days ago they said on the news that he knew 28 languages and could speak to practically anyone! very cool...he will be deeply missed

[spaz]

hockey?

28 languages eh? I thought I was doing pretty good with 4...

I guess the pope is the reason the catholic podcast is at the top right now...

[jawbone]

It's also really well produced.

[spaz]

I'll have to take your word on that...still not planning to listen to it...

[notyourusualbollocks]

The man was indeed a towering figure in the 20th century. However, he leaves the Catholic church in questionable shape. As the London Times noted, people adored 'the musician but not the music'.

[yaz]

what i meant, towering figure because people followed him based on a fairy tale...we will all become old and eventually die, so get on with your lives...

[allthewhile]

The man was indeed a towering figure in the 20th century. However, he leaves the Catholic church in questionable shape. As the London Times noted, people adored 'the musician but not the music'.

While this may be true in Europe and to a larger extent the United States, I think you'd be surprised at the fervency of worldwide orthodoxy. The majority of catholics are from Africa / South / Central America and are a tad more affectionate towards some of the teachings which are more contraversial with most Europeans. Regardless, you'll find that most of the teachings which people "don't adore" have something to do with the zipper. They're fine in believing in the Trinity, the immaculate conception, and even complicated christian eschatology. But when it comes to matters of sexual self control they suddenly become complete heretics. I'd say it's more specifically a matter of loving the doctrine but hating the discipline.

yaz: The only true fairy tale is that nothing suddenly turned into everything. It makes more sense that order and purpose is sprung forth with purpose and clarity: A Supreme Cause. I could go into some of the finer points of the "five ways" of Aquinas or some of the lesser proofs by St. Anslem, but I couldn't do it with sufficient understanding, I admit. If you're interested, there are, according to probably the most well known Theistic apologist Alvin Platinga, over 30 syllogistical proofs for the existence of god. Of course, obviously, they've all been addressed by atheists as well, to varying degrees of success.

As to your assertion on a seperate post pointing to the two main reasons for the "creation" of religion, I would counter with basic common sense. Firstly, this is just speculation. No one really knows the exact age when religion first sprung up. It is, however, something that is seen in every culture and every known historical and many pre-historical ages. Therefore, when we speculate on these things, it's merely speculation. An inference based on the assumption that religion is a psychological creation and not based on some truth.

Secondly, we can see that the concept of god and morality in religion are not always so connected. while most religions are to some extent focused on morality, there are others, including modern paganism that focuses more on a relationship with the devine. Why religion without behavior control? Could it be that there is a god, and people are naturally drawn to seek knowledge of Him? Furthermore, there are religions which completely remove the aspect of God and focus only on behavior or morality; Buddhism, Scientology etc.

Attempting to find the origin of religion in a secondary effect is very misleading. For example, would you argue that marriage was invented so that people could get a tax credit? This benefit is something that comes from marriage, but yet is not the reason (unless there is some nefarious arrangement). Instead, people marry because they find that they are drawn so close to their companion that they wish to declare before god and society primary devotion to this person; that with this person they will start a family and work together for the good of each other.

Okay my babblings are over. I will miss JP2.

[yaz]

why do people have to put a title to the relationship that exists between them?

i still believe the two reasons, when we go into the ground and nothing happens, you'll see i was right...

[Craig]

when we go into the ground and nothing happens, you'll see i was right...
Just make sure you're 100% sure you're right while you still have a chance to do something about it. (The moment after you die is NOT a good time to find out you were wrong!)

Craig

[yaz]

oh well, i've made alot of mistakes i found out about afterwards...

[johnandwayneshow]

I too would like to show respect to the church for what John Paul II did in his lifetime, and the lasting effect his actions will have on the world.

As a non-catholic I still admire his legacy and express my condolances to Catholics everywhere.

[Lifespring!]

oh well, i've made alot of mistakes i found out about afterwards...

That's quite true, Yaz, but you're still here to do something about those mistakes. By definition, after you die, you won't be here to fix any mistakes.

"After death" is a very long time to look back and regret making the wrong decision. And it is a very long time to rejoice in the right one.

I know you've made a public announcement that you will not listen to any of the GodCasts. Might I humbly suggest that you listen to my last show? (The 2005-03-29 edition.) No one will know that you did, and I won't tell.

I really think you may find it of interest.

[yaz]

we don't know what's going to happen after we die, so i am not going to change the way i live to prepare for something that might not happen...

[Lifespring!]

might not happen...

Might? You're willing to stake forever on might???

Listen to my show.

BTW...I'll not post any other messages in this regard. I know that this is not the place.

[jeffoest]

Hmmm....

Not sure I'd agree that the 'reason' to embrace spirituality in one's life is to maximize one's personal well being (wanting a better afterlife for myself). I think there are truths that are larger than you and I at play here that can inspire us to be greater. Plus I think a better message is one of service and love and positiveness rather than merely hoping for rewards...

eh.. but what do you I know? I don't godcast...

[Craig]

Not sure I'd agree that the 'reason' to embrace spirituality in one's life is to maximize one's personal well being (wanting a better afterlife for myself). I think there are truths that are larger than you and I at play here that can inspire us to be greater. Plus I think a better message is one of service and love and positiveness rather than merely hoping for rewards...

eh.. but what do you I know? I don't godcast...
With a quote like that, maybe you should!

Craig

[PupuStudios]

I'm getting tired of the Christian subjects being spewed on the forum.

I think I can safely say, most people come to podcast alley discuss podcasts, not what the afterlife holds. Why do many of the topics turn into a theological argument? Please, for sanities sake, take your never-ending discussions to godcastalley.com. bleh
:roll:

Your pagan friend,
Dr S

[Craig]

I think I can safely say, most people come to podcast alley discuss podcasts, not what the afterlife holds.
Hear, hear! So if all the non-Christians could show a little tolerance and not jump into off-topic theological rants at the drop of a hat I, for one, would appreciate it. :wink:

BTW, over 5% of the podcasts listed here at PA are spiritual and the majority of those are Christian, so unless you want to rule out conversations here about show content completely, or unless you want to make an argument for censorship, just do what the rest of us do and pick and chose the topics that interest you. You do realize that this topic is titled, "To Fr. Rodderick and Other Catholic 'Casters" don't you? And go back in the thread to see who brought up the afterlife in the first place.

Oh, and one more thing while I'm off on my own rant here. I couldn't care less if people hijack topics and take them off on spiritual tangents. But if they do, don't tell me I can't go off on the tangent with them just because you disagree with my viewpoint. We all know what that's called. And for the record, I personally don't start spiritual tangents, but I WILL follow them.

Craig

[jeffoest]

Ah.... but it DOES end... you know, when someone gives up the first Hilter reference - then the thread is officially over... (isn't that some internet rule).. ;-)

[allthewhile]

I'm getting tired of the Christian subjects being spewed on the forum.

I think I can safely say, most people come to podcast alley discuss podcasts, not what the afterlife holds. Why do many of the topics turn into a theological argument? Please, for sanities sake, take your never-ending discussions to godcastalley.com. bleh
:roll:

Your pagan friend,
Dr S

I've also made a concerted effort to avoid religion talk when not necessary, and if you'll search through my posts, you'll see that the VAST majority of them have nothing to do with religion, but are in fact, an attempt to discuss podcasting or at least something relatively off topic but slightly related to podcasting. I would say that craig and the others are the same way.

[Cookiepuss]

I agree that this is a podcasting forum. But I'd say *this* thread can be an exception seeing the topic is pretty serious.

I'm not catholic but would give condolences to those who are sad at the Popes death. I think there is a need for people to understand that the Vatican and Pope etc are the focal point for catholics. Just as for Jews Israel is the focal point. I would say that John Paul II took some good steps to bridge issues (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html) that fell (http://www.chambon.org/sauvage_pope_en.htm) into his lap when he was made Pope.

He lived a long life doing as he felt he needed to do. That is all any of uscould ask for. . .no matter what our beliefs are.

[yaz]

wow, alot of people get real annoyed with religion...

[jeffoest]

...well relgion and politics does bring out arguments because opinions are usually very personal and very deeply held. That's why we were taught not to discuss religion and politics in polite company. Now on podcasts, well that's a different story...hehehe

[yaz]

no one ever taught me that, i guess thats why i always start arguements...

[spaz]

Hmmm....

Not sure I'd agree that the 'reason' to embrace spirituality in one's life is to maximize one's personal well being (wanting a better afterlife for myself). I think there are truths that are larger than you and I at play here that can inspire us to be greater. Plus I think a better message is one of service and love and positiveness rather than merely hoping for rewards...

eh.. but what do you I know? I don't godcast...

I agree with this....joining a religion for the rewards seems misguided....

[yaz]

ha! so all religious people are greedy in the long run? ill have to remember that, i never looked at it that way...

[WyethDigital]

My condolances to the Catholics out there in the community, and to those who admired Pope John Paul II. My wife and her side of the family are all Catholic (while my side is most definitely not), so I know how this affects them.

To those in this thread who are using it to argue the merits of religion, I 'll say this: There are many things I do not agree with in this world, some of them having to do with the Pope and the Catholic church, but in this thread, I will not discuss them, because this thread was meant for people who are mourning the loss of someone that they cared very much about. If you dislike all the "Christian" posts, then why did you enter this one? The subject of the thread is pretty clear.

Agree or disagree with religion all you want, but could you please show your Podcasting friends some respect for their loss, and move the discussion to a more appropriate thread?


Peace and sympathy,

Eric

[allthewhile]

Thanks for your kindess, Eric.

[WyethDigital]

Absolutely not a problem!

[indiekid]

the pope was more than just a loss for catholics, he was a loss for the entire world...even though i diagreed with many of his political thoughts, he was still an amazing humanitarian...and politics aside that's really all that matters in the world...

[yaz]

yea, i guess he did alot, he also played hockey when he was younger and i have a cool pic of when he was really old holding a hockey stick all poped out...

[spaz]

Ya, I watched part of his funeral....I have to admit I was impressed....I'll try and contain my enjoyment of debating religion to more appropriate threads...

[yaz]

were you watching the pope's funeral or prince charles' wedding, we were at both...

[spaz]

Just the pope...don't really care about royalty...at least the pope worked for his fame...

[yaz]

did he?

[spaz]

didn't he? I thought he did...at least that's what I heard...

[yaz]

i don't know, i just figured most famous people got there like paris hilton...well, without sucking ****...

[spaz]

I still can't believe people will listen to her podcast...

[yaz]

oh you'd better believe it, they're all gonna wait until she tells stories about sucking and ****ing, but she won't but people will still listen...

[spaz]

most people are stupid...

[yaz]

93.6% i would estimate

[spaz]

You're generous...I was thinking about 98%...

[yaz]

there are pockets of smarter people which balance out for those huge areas in bigger cities...

[spaz]

hmmm, I always thought the cities had a bigger percentage of smarter people....tho it makes sense percentage-wise if it's the opposite in the states...

[yaz]

people in cities become stupid because they become wrapped up in what's not really important...

[spaz]

Ya, I've noticed that too...