The arguing: It's stupid

[allthewhile]

I know I may be speaking for only myself and no others, but I'm sick of reading the insults. I'm not interested in who started it, I just don't appreciate it.

Furthermore, if we want podcasting to improve as a whole, we need to stick together as much as possible.

If you think someone said something rude or stupid: SEND THEM A PRIVATE MESSAGE. Arguing out in the public will only bring more people and nonsense into the "debate".

BE NICE

[jawbone]

Shut up, you.

*punches allthewhile in the neck*

;)

[jawbone]

Hey Chris...I'm just here to lighten the mood. :)

I run a message board, so I know how crappy things can get when people fight. So we decided to just punch people in the neck when things got out of hand. It always seems to work. :D

[allthewhile]

how dare you punch me you communist scum!

[jawbone]

*vomits on allthewhiles lap*

[yaz]

is that "allthewhile" guy imitating what the altar boys are made to do with the priests???

[allthewhile]

Actually, those are fishsticks.

[The_Skrunt]

Furthermore, if we want podcasting to improve as a whole, we need to stick together as much as possible.
BE NICE

This is ridiculous. If podcasters stick together then podcasting as a whole would improve? I don't think so. I think what podcasting needs is more solidarity. If everyone stuck together then it would be just as bad as commercial radio. The more podcasters stir stuff up, do their own thing, and insult and poke fun at whoever they want.. the more interesting and alive it becomes. If everyone sticks together and kissed each others butts all the time then podcasting would get no where. Not to mention podcasting would become so incredibly tame that no one would want to listen. I thought the basic idea of all of this was free speech and for people to say whatever was on their mind? Well in the real world people have different views, and sometimes people dislike one another.. for whatever reasons. So to ask everyone to ban together is absurd and goes against everything podcasting stands for.

Also, I see how people are getting all bent out of shape at certain podcasters attacking other podcasts or making fun of other podcasts and the like? Who cares? Every podcaster out there has a right to their opinions and have every right to let these views be known. And if we have a problem with this... then don't download and listen to them.

[allthewhile]

This is ridiculous. If podcasters stick together then podcasting as a whole would improve? I don't think so. I think what podcasting needs is more solidarity. If everyone stuck together then it would be just as bad as commercial radio.


I say we should stick together and you say we should have solidarity. Yet you think we disagree? What am I missing?


The more podcasters stir stuff up, do their own thing, and insult and poke fun at whoever they want.. the more interesting and alive it becomes. If everyone sticks together and kissed each others butts all the time then podcasting would get no where.


The arguments on the boards here had nothing to do with the promotion of the shows. No listeners heard it, it was simply rude fighting for egotistical argument sake. If you think ad-hominem attacks and cat fight will move us forward, have fun. A house divided and all.

Not to mention podcasting would become so incredibly tame that no one would want to listen.

Dude, I was specifically referring to particular arguments that were taking place on the boards. I have no problem with disagreement, debate, and argument. The problem is when people start calling names and getting stupid.

I thought the basic idea of all of this was free speech and for people to say whatever was on their mind? Well in the real world people have different views, and sometimes people dislike one another.. for whatever reasons. So to ask everyone to ban together is absurd and goes against everything podcasting stands for.


Asking everyone to band together is against what podcasting stands for? So podcasting stands for what? Fighting? Name Calling?

Also, I see how people are getting all bent out of shape at certain podcasters attacking other podcasts or making fun of other podcasts and the like? Who cares? Every podcaster out there has a right to their opinions and have every right to let these views be known. And if we have a problem with this... then don't download and listen to them.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion. But guess what. I think a lot of the podcasts out there suck. And I bet there are a lot of casters out there who have heard mine and think it's horrible. But the point is that we try to be constructive, not destructive. It's okay to critisize and yes people might get their feelings hurt. I wasn't arguing against that. I was arguing against what hard turned from a disagreement into people calling people names. Sorry if I think we should work together.

[cc_chapman]

is that "allthewhile" guy imitating what the altar boys are made to do with the priests???

BWAHAHA!!!

**** you! I just spit coffee on my keyboard!

[Cat]

Actually, those are fishsticks.

Why do you have a picture of yourself sticking fishsticks up your nose??

Everytime I see the picture I want to......


Can't you find a better picture - the T-shirt is nice, you had much better pics in your post!!

[yaz]

HAHAHA!!!!....thats great, thanks cat, i thought i was the only one getting utterly annoyed with this stupid fishsticks....

[notyourusualbollocks]

I was trying to figure out what they were. I thought it was some kind of Catholic ritual but I wasn't sure.

The whole podcasting scene reminds me a bit of the old bulletin board scenes way back in the late 80's and early 90's before the internet arrived. There were lots of insults and opinionated people in claustrophic messageboards etc.

MK (Just arrived in Seattle from London and feeling fooked)

Not Your Usual Bollocks Radio Show
www.notyourusualbollocks.squarespace.com

[yaz]

why should we help each other out when pissing each other off is so much more fun???

[el]

Especially when loosers choose to post altar boy bashing pics like allthewhile's.

Bash bash bash

[radioclash]

I was trying to figure out what they were. I thought it was some kind of Catholic ritual but I wasn't sure.

The whole podcasting scene reminds me a bit of the old bulletin board scenes way back in the late 80's and early 90's before the internet arrived. There were lots of insults and opinionated people in claustrophic messageboards etc.

MK (Just arrived in Seattle from London and feeling fooked)

Not Your Usual Bollocks Radio Show
www.notyourusualbollocks.squarespace.com


No just your regular people troll messageboard, others get annoyed, lash out, trolls act defensive, people lash back etc. etc. Happens everywhere.

I apologise for doing the last bit and getting annoyed...I'll get my coat :oops: I really should know better than to react to trolling.

Just seemed like a nice quiet place and some idiots turned up :roll:

sigh.

[Inferno]

it does kinda have a wierd element to it .....because everyone here has sometype of pod show

[Ian]

Just seemed like a nice quiet place and some idiots turned up :roll:
Who's the troll again? Idiots? You're always the one calling names. You're so much smarter than me!

[radioclash]

whatever :roll:

[Inferno]

why is everyone so angry........is it cause we are all getting sued?

[Ian]

Sued? Please explain.

[Inferno]

ha ha just trying to scare ya!
i think it me whos getting sued.

[yaz]

whats all this troll crap goin on, at least the religious guy changed that fishstick picture, that thing was annoying....hahaha....altar boy molestation....

[RED BAR RADIO.com]

Responding to "allthewhile":

I don't know if it's just me, but this catholic guy, "allthewhile", seems to be the one who starts most of these arguments. I can count many occasions where he has been the quote on quote, "mean" one.

This guy reminds me of someone one didn't make it on American Idol. Just looking at his picture irks me.

To "allthewhile":

JESUS ISN'T REAL - GET OVER IT. If you want "niceness"? - go pray in some church.

GOD ****.

[travishoffman]

I think being stupid is stupid...........mr. poopypants!

[Illinoise]

Actually, for clarification, there's a great historical evidence that Jesus DID exist (and, in fact, historical evidence that he fulfilled more than 300 prophecies about the coming messiah made by hundreds of authors worldwide over thousands of years). And, to be fair, there's more historical proof that Jesus was real than proof that George Washington ever existed. So the question isn't "Is Jesus real?" The better question is do you think he's real (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:16&version=31;)?

But you're right, that has nothing to do with niceness in Podcast Alley.

[travishoffman]

I don't think we use the word "smite" enough in today's society. I mean back in the day it was such a popular word "God smites thee" or "Though beist smitten"
I'd love to see the word smite be reintroduced and gain popularity in today's world. I mean, maybe we could replace the word "bite" with "smite". That'd be kind of fun i think, hell even words that rhyme would be fun too. "I just had a smite of my sandwich" or "Are you thinking what I'm thinking....I smite be"...or "Hey does anybody have a smite for my cigarette?" It's fun kids, it could be a game! Woohoo we're having a good time now.

[Inferno]

I'm gonna have to say "word" to Illinoise - i think he/she is right .....

but i don't think you can call prophecies no matter how many there are proof that someone was there -

thats like saying "hey i'm gonna roll a 7" and a i roll a 7 and i say "look i have 2 pieces of proof that i rolled a 7

1) i rolled a 7

2) i said i was gonna roll a 7"

know what mean? so i think there is more proof about washington ....

uh thank you kindly.

[Illinoise]

Aw, smite me, Travis.

You're right, that was fun! ;)

[travishoffman]

**** I can't think of a good reply to use a word that rhymes with smite...you're lucky this time Just SMITE :D !

yeah that didn't work at all

[Illinoise]

Actually, Inferno, we are talking about ACTUAL historical documentation of Jesus of Nazareth's existence (where he was born, where he lived/taught/traveled). There are more original accounts of Jesus' life than there are of George Washington's life. And I think many people agree that Jesus was at least man and there's lots of written accounts of his teaching. That's just about Jesus the man.

Now, tell me that this is not compelling (prophecies from OT):
Micah 5:2 He will be born in Bethlehem (he was - out of his control)
Judg 13:5; Amos 2:11; Lam 4:7 He would live in Nazareth (he did -in his control)
Jer 31:15 When he was born, there would be a massacre in Bethlehem (it happened, historical record, out of his control)
etc. etc. there are over 300 (http://www.ruforchrist.com/messiah.html) of these that, when taken together, make a pretty good argument.

Okay, enough. This isn't a Bible lesson. This is a history lesson. Just want to make sure we aren't passing opinion as fact here. Chris hates it when we do that on his site.

[RED BAR RADIO.com]

You're all plain nutz. There's a little too much god believement in here for me. Gotta go.

[Inferno]

i think we are gonna need feedback from others -

I still think your are making the same arguement -


but now you are say "ok ok ok one day im gonna roll a 7 grab my money stand up, sit down roll another 7, stand up, grab a beer, sit........."

Is it "compelling"? yeah but it doesnt matter.

and here is another reason why :

all these 300 "predictions"...when did they matter ?
and what point in time did they really matter?
why. . . . . when there was proof of jesus's coming happened of course!

they themselves are not the proof. they dont matter if there was no jesus -


its like there is a birth cert for someone in the future...what the hell does it matter if the guy isnt born yet? and then when the guy is born he gets his actual birt cert......why even bring up the old one? - not only that but jesus christ how come you guys can old quote old test when it helps you out?
it also teaches to stone bad kids and make them women stay outside the hut when shes on her period!

oh screw this - I'll tell you what, I'm starting a podcast and you and i will be on it and argueing this stuff all day !! ha ha ha what do ya say?

[Inferno]

ps i also like th title of this post and what it has turned into!! ha ha sorry..... :oops:

[RED BAR RADIO.com]

I'm not following your pseudo wit. What are you saying - You think Jesus is real - or not?

Just get to the point. No one needs your facetiousness.

MIKE

[Illinoise]

Crap, it's a brilliant idea ... but somebody already beat us to it:

http://www.debategod.com

Obviously, they've taken it to a much LARGER forum. Imagine trying to defend the Muslim god. I want to get back on the issue of pooping while podcasting, so let's wrap this up. I like you Inferno, but was a little disappointed when you said "why is that you guys...". I'm not a minister. I'm a guy who's annoyed when people say something that's their opinion as fact, so let's break it down. Jesus, the man, existed (at least as much historical written documentation on Jesus as we have on George Washington). Jesus may or may not have been God. If you believe he was, you're a Christian. Boom. Done.

[Illinoise]

Oh, and if you don't, there will be eternal wailing and gnashing of teeth. ;)

[Inferno]

oh snap i did say you guys!

that was really lame of me. all you guys....please forgive me! he he he

as for mike -

If you are not following my psuedo wit, then you are not using you pseudo brain - if you read the posts you will see we are simply argueing if one can use prophecy as proof if someone existed.

as for your seperate question - do i think jesus is real or not. .?

we werent talking about that, but sure why not - does it matter?

also for anyone else that wants to read half the posts and throw in a stupid question....go right ahead. apperently i will answer it for you. :wink:

[RED BAR RADIO.com]

You guys are probably all over 30 arnt you?

I hope you're at work while on these forums - it would be embarrassing if you didnt have jobs.

I'm done. I will not partake in any more forums with the catholic radio show people.

[Inferno]

ah ha ha

ok......do you think I'm catholic!?!??! That would be really funny.

30???....I'm safely under 25!! but i feel old......the other day my back hurt a little bit and i thought "oh my god, one day its prob gonna hurt all the time!!!"

hey I remember you!! your show spammed this site with a crappy plea to please listen to your podcast!!!

oh and am I employed?!?! yeah of course!!! I need money sir! neeeeeeeed!!!

p.s. your website rules!

[el]

allthewhile, chill. Its just a bit of fun for the most part and is extremely entertaining. People need to start being able to laugh at themselves more and stop apologising all the friggin time.

[allthewhile]

allthewhile, chill. Its just a bit of fun for the most part and is extremely entertaining. People need to start being able to laugh at themselves more and stop apologising all the friggin time.

I deleted my post. I posted it, then thought it wasn't worth the effort; it'd probably stir up more angst. You're right though, I need to chill.

:twisted:

[spaz]

wasn't Jesus Jewish? :twisted:

[yaz]

the bible is a fairy tale, you prove to me that it is true and will give you a dollar...now i didn't say aithentically dated, you have to prove to me that all the stories in there are fact and you'll get yourself a brand new crispy portrait of George Washington with free shipping...

[sweek]

I think we should definitely argue and discuss everything on our minds, and think that it's a pretty silly and naive idea to really want to stay friends and all. As long as there's something to argue about and you do it in a good way, arguing can only make this better.

Really, whether you like it or not, you will pretty much be drawn in the competitive atmosphere, and right now is really the time for that since it's pretty much booming.

[Kalessin]

I first heard about podcasting last week when I read a story about the BBC podcasting some of their shows so I went off, did minimal research and listened to a few shows. Some of them were really good, some of them were really not and some of them I enjoyed but won't listen to again because, on my first visit to this forum, I saw posts of the shows' hosts whining and name-calling and it disappointed me.

On 'the air' these people came across as self-assured and articulate. In their forum posts, they seem to me to be insecure, selfish and spoilt. They whine and call each other names and it really puts me off. Kinda like if you one day saw your favourite screen idol, your hero or your fantasy, eating boogers.

You can trust that podcasting as a medium will become more widespread; more and more people will come here to find out what it's all about. I think that, if you're a presenter, it's worth considering what you want their first impression to be.

I'm not suggesting that everyone should agree and just be nice (heaven forbid), or even that lively, intelligent discussion between individuals of conflicting viewpoints isn't pretty entertaining. But schoolyard bickering and petty abuse will just drive many of your potential audience away.

Kal

PS: If the Bible was written after the fact and has been chopped and changed, bits added and bits removed by the church over the centuries, how can we be expected to believe it? No-one has ever been able to show me proof that Jesus existed. :twisted:

[yaz]

yea kalessin, that's what im saying, its a big story book written over a very long period of time...

[F7sound]

Pissing each other off does help us all out. At least, that's the way I look at it.


Michael Oster
F7 Sound and Vision
http://www.F7sound.com
my podcasts - http://www.F7sound.com/podcasts.htm
my blog - http://michaeloster.blogspot.com

[yaz]

i just never really knew what the arguing was about...but pissing people off is fun and i guess getting pissed is childish...

[WyethDigital]

I'm not suggesting that everyone should agree and just be nice (heaven forbid), or even that lively, intelligent discussion between individuals of conflicting viewpoints isn't pretty entertaining. But schoolyard bickering and petty abuse will just drive many of your potential audience away.

Kal


Hear hear, Kal! I vote Kal King of Common Sense!


Eric

[WyethDigital]

I'm a guy who's annoyed when people say something that's their opinion as fact, so let's break it down. Jesus, the man, existed (at least as much historical written documentation on Jesus as we have on George Washington). Jesus may or may not have been God. If you believe he was, you're a Christian. Boom. Done.

Well actually, this is your opinion passed off as fact. Here's the thing, though. I don't care. It makes not a whit of difference to me (unless you knock on my door at 3:AM preaching to me). It's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. I say God Bless.

I once had an interesting exchange with a nationally renowned engineer who was trying to express his scientific theories for proof of God and by extension, Jesus. This was at UW-Madison, so naturally he met a lot of resistence. Mine was the only question that stumped him. You would have to hear his presentation to know the true punch of my question. His basic premise was, as a man of science, he needed proof to believe the universe was created by God. In his science, he chose to ignore the prevailing theories of the expansion of the Universe, and focus on a more arcane one, which he took, in his own words, on faith. My first question focused on the paradox that he could take his nearly impossible to prove scientific theory on faith, but he couldn't make the leap to taking God on Faith. That didn't stump him, but it came close. It was the next one that did the trick.

Maybe it was because I had been reading too much Douglas Adams, but I pursued the Faith angle: "Why do you need proof, when all the Bible asks for is faith? If you seek proof, then you don't have faith. If you have faith, then you don't need proof!"

There you have it! Either believing is good enough for you or it ain't. Everything else is just someone's opinion!

Eric

:arrow: PS -- Being a Christian, I do take some offense to your remark about the Muslims and "their God." As a Christian, I would expect a little more respect, knowledge and tolerance out of a fellow Christian. After all, the Muslims, while they don't consider Christ the savior, do hold Him in regard as a prophet.

[spaz]

:arrow: PS -- Being a Christian, I do take some offense to your remark about the Muslims and "their God." As a Christian, I would expect a little more respect, knowledge and tolerance out of a fellow Christian. After all, the Muslims, while they don't consider Christ the savior, do hold Him in regard as a prophet.

My confusion over all the religious arguements is this:

If you are monotheistic (ie Christian, Jewish, Muslim....) aren't you all kind of like siblings..

I think most religion is merely about politics...and money..

[yaz]

religion was created for two reasons:

#1 police the world at a time when people were still semi barbaric and there weren't many people upholding order, so if someone (god) is watching you at all times, 87% of the population will be fearful and stop doing crazy ****, only the truly psychotic would keep doing their **** and they don't count anyway

#2 the smarter people were sick of all the whores making all the money, so they came up with a business that would make more money than prostitution, religion

there it is in a nutshell, now go worship your gods and stop trying to get others to believe in them

[WyethDigital]

:arrow: PS -- Being a Christian, I do take some offense to your remark about the Muslims and "their God." As a Christian, I would expect a little more respect, knowledge and tolerance out of a fellow Christian. After all, the Muslims, while they don't consider Christ the savior, do hold Him in regard as a prophet.

My confusion over all the religious arguements is this:

If you are monotheistic (ie Christian, Jewish, Muslim....) aren't you all kind of like siblings..

I think most religion is merely about politics...and money..

It confuses me too, Spaz. And you're right. Religion is a political excercise, first and foremost. But I would argue that it wasn't always such a bad thing. In our early days, we needed guidance.

For me, there's too much that can't be explained to dismiss spirituality (not religion). There is something we all share, and it cannot be defined simply by words on a scroll, or preaching from a pulpit, or denial by an athiest. I choose to accept the unexplained and the spiritual as a gift. What others do or believe is pretty much their own business -- unless I feel my belief is being hijacked and rebranded to feed intolerence and ignorance. Then I'll tell them my quarrel, and they can either accept it or not. After all, it is my belief that we are all God's children, and as such, we are all here to learn.

Eric

[Dominar]

religion was created for two reasons:

#1 police the world at a time when people were still semi barbaric and there weren't many people upholding order, so if someone (god) is watching you at all times, 87% of the population will be fearful and stop doing crazy ****, only the truly psychotic would keep doing their **** and they don't count anyway

#2 the smarter people were sick of all the whores making all the money, so they came up with a business that would make more money than prostitution, religion

there it is in a nutshell, now go worship your gods and stop trying to get others to believe in them


That sounds about right to me.

[yaz]

wow! at least one person that agreed with me had the balls to say so...

[Ian]

Yaz is right. All about control and money. Just like government. The difference is that today religion is voluntary in the US and govt is not.

[Craig]

If the Bible...has been chopped and changed, bits added and bits removed by the church over the centuries, how can we be expected to believe it?
Actually, that's a common myth; the Bible hasn't changed over time (with the exception of those versions used by some "Christian" offshoots such as LDS) and its authenticity as a historical document is something you'd have a hard time arguing against with even non-Christian scholars. This is taken from one of many online articles on the topic:

The variations among the [New Testament] manuscripts are "so rare that scholars Norman Geisler and William Nix conclude, 'The New Testament, then, has not only survived in more manuscripts than any other book from antiquity, but it has survived in a purer form than any other great book--a form that is 99.5 percent pure.'"

Dr. Ravi Zacharias, a visiting scholar at Cambridge University, also comments: "In real terms, the New Testament is easily the best attested ancient writing in terms of the sheer number of documents, the time span between the events and the documents, and the variety of documents available to sustain or contradict it. There is nothing in ancient manuscript evidence to match such textual availability and integrity."

Craig

[yaz]

they had copy and paste functions on the stone tablets and papyrus back then?

[Craig]

they had copy and paste functions on the stone tablets and papyrus back then?
No, but they did have a family of scribes with the last name of Xerox.

Craig

[spaz]

If the Bible...has been chopped and changed, bits added and bits removed by the church over the centuries, how can we be expected to believe it?
Actually, that's a common myth; the Bible hasn't changed over time (with the exception of those versions used by some "Christian" offshoots such as LDS) and its authenticity as a historical document is something you'd have a hard time arguing against with even non-Christian scholars. This is taken from one of many online articles on the topic:

The variations among the [New Testament] manuscripts are "so rare that scholars Norman Geisler and William Nix conclude, 'The New Testament, then, has not only survived in more manuscripts than any other book from antiquity, but it has survived in a purer form than any other great book--a form that is 99.5 percent pure.'"

Dr. Ravi Zacharias, a visiting scholar at Cambridge University, also comments: "In real terms, the New Testament is easily the best attested ancient writing in terms of the sheer number of documents, the time span between the events and the documents, and the variety of documents available to sustain or contradict it. There is nothing in ancient manuscript evidence to match such textual availability and integrity."

Craig

History is subjective...remember it is written by the winners of some war or another....

[Craig]

Bow to your sensei
Shouldn't that be "Bow to your Senseo?"

Craig

[yaz]

as far as history being subjective, when you got that gossip from the office last week (example) was it word for word when you found out the real story from the actual person it involved? no, it prolly wasn't, now imagine that happening for thousands of years, throw in some biases and there you go...distorted views of the truth, very distorted...

[Dominar]

Let's not leave out the Old Testament. It was translated from ancient Hebrew, then about 3 other languages before making it to English. Hebrew at the day of translation and ancient Hebrew are different and in Hebrew some words have many meanings.

Again, I'm with yaz. The way I see it Jesus probably did exist. He may have been a great rabbi/medicine man, magician, etc.

In ancient times people were often presumed dead before they actually were. Maybe Jesus healed a "dead" man with some herbs, etc, and Lazurus "rose from the dead".

Oral histories tend not to get exaggerated over time and distance.

The bible was pieced together over years, found in various places. Church officials decided what was in and what was out. Hence the differences between the Catholic bible and the Protestant bible.

[Illinoise]

Anybody in here actually READ the whole thing, cover to cover?

[Craig]

Anybody in here actually READ the whole thing, cover to cover?
Three times so far, in the middle of four.

Craig

[WyethDigital]

Anybody in here actually READ the whole thing, cover to cover?

Qualified "Yes." Which version?

[Dominar]

I've probably read most of it but not in order. I had about 16 years of Sunday school and church in the Methodist branch.

[garybibb]

Anybody in here actually READ the whole thing, cover to cover?

No but once it comes out on DVD I may rent it. As long as Peter Jackson directs it and it stars Jenna Jameson in some way.

[WyethDigital]

No but once it comes out on DVD I may rent it. As long as Peter Jackson directs it and it stars Jenna Jameson in some way.

Ooh la la! Jenna Jameson! :twisted:

Eric

PS -- I wonder how much SPAM I'm in for, now that I've Googled her?

Disclaimer: "Googling" adult movie stars may not be legal in some states. Consult Pat Robertson for details.

[speechless]

Ron Jeremy could play Moses. Part the Red Sea and whatnot...

*ugh* Did I say that?

[yaz]

i sat through many classes that they talked about the bible, did i read it? some of it i guess, do i think i missed out on something? no, would i watch it on dvd? i would rather watch my dog **** on my bed...i don't care who would star in it...unless it was midgets...hey! a midget interpretation of the bible and they're all dressed as clowns and they hit each other with rubber mallets and when the romans crucify christ they are actual size people and start tossing all the jews...now that i would watch...

[charleyw]

I'm just wondering if Jesus were around today...could he get a parking space in downtown Jerusalem....because I SURE AS HELL CAN'T!!

Charley

[Craig]

Hey Charley, maybe you could make some money selling WWJP t-shirts. (Where Would Jesus Park?) :lol:

Craig

[yaz]

if he was what the bible said he was, would he really need to drive a car? and im sure that if moses could part the red sea, jesus could move some cars out of his way...

[camilian]

Anybody in here actually READ the whole thing, cover to cover?

Twice, and I have read the Book of Mormon once. I feel you should know the subject matter so you can speak to it. Spooky part is MANY religious folks have not, how can you follow something you know nothing about? This is why people believe masterbation is frowned upon in the bible (it is not) and believe one small passage in Leviticus yet don't follow the other "rules".

[WyethDigital]

Anybody in here actually READ the whole thing, cover to cover?

Twice, and I have read the Book of Mormon once. I feel you should know the subject matter so you can speak to it. Spooky part is MANY religious folks have not, how can you follow something you know nothing about? This is why people believe masterbation is frowned upon in the bible (it is not) and believe one small passage in Leviticus yet don't follow the other "rules".

Excellent point, Chris! I would add however, that it's equally important to speak from knowledge when you attampt to discuss the Torah, or the Koran. Too many people (on this board included) assume that it's not okay to misunderstand (or mistate) the Bible, but think nothing about throwing around inaccurate, misguided and just plain ignorant assumptions about the followers of these other two important books.

and when the romans crucify christ they are actual size people and start tossing all the jews...now that i would watch...

Man, I hope I'm missing part of the joke here (an indictment of self-rightous Christians?), because otherwise, not cool, man!

Eric

[Illinoise]

Whoever said this:

Imagine trying to defend the Muslim god.

... is totally out of line! How insensitive.

I would agree with some OTHERS on this board who advocate unrestrained acceptance of EVERYTHING! Anything goes!

As such, I nominate Yaz a ruler of the entire (now) free world.

[WyethDigital]

Whoever said this:

Imagine trying to defend the Muslim god.

... is totally out of line! How insensitive.

It's good to see you opening your mind! Hooray!

Eric

[camilian]

Excellent point, Chris! I would add however, that it's equally important to speak from knowledge when you attampt to discuss the Torah, or the Koran.

Totally agree. I have taken a few Jewish classes (if you can't tell I love theology). But am having a hard time finding much Muslim information in my small berg. It is here, I just need to dig a little more.

[yaz]

i guess i can lead the free world, as long as its all midgets dressed as clowns...