FTL congratulates Dawn and Drew.

[Ian]

DND,

Despite what you said about not caring about voting, your listeners obviously do care. Congratulations on surpassing us.

As I said in your comments thread, competition makes us all better.

Regards,
Ian

[carpmtv]

DND,

As I said in your comments thread, competition makes us all better.


I felt compelled to respond here. I think it was classy that you congratulated DND for their accomplishments. There has been a lot of friction between DND and FTL, although it may have been more between listeners than you guys.

But my main point in posting this is to bring up a point about competition. I read DND's comment thread where someone mentioned something along the lines of.........Why does this have to be a competition. Why can't we just watch the shows we like.

http://www.podcastalley.com/see_comments.php?pod_id=195

I agee with Ian on this one. Competition makes us all better. It is what advances are society and our economy. With out competition our standard of living would be much lower because innovation would be much lower.

Competition is a natural way to advance podcasting to the next level. It forces shows to become better, and more shows to be available. It allows us to choose between more topics, and creative shows.

Podcasting can have competion without interfering with listeners abilities to just "listen to the shows they like." Isn't that the point? You don't listen to a show if you don't like it. Competition will just give us more shows that we like.

Jeremy

[Insomnia Radio]

Hey gang;

Forgive me if I'm restating what has already been said elsewhere....

But it irritates me to see Free Talk Live in this discussion at all...Free Talk Live is NOT a podcast. It is a radio show which has an XML feed.

A Podcast is only available on your hard drive...

I'm not at all implying that FTL is not a fine show, but get your vote out for TRUE podcasts, huh?

My 2cents.

[robulon]

I'm with jason on this one, FTL may be the best radio station in the US, nay the globe, but thats what it is. compared to all the bedroom producers out there it looks like an unsurmountable summit that has to be climbed to even match their popularity, so it kinda feels 'not fair'. and ive said this before, but its not about competition for me, its about exposure, about the music, about bringing new things to new people.

my 2p

Rob

p.s. yay DnD!

[WhiteRabbit]

I'm afraid that at the risk of incurring the wrath of FTL I have to agree that we're talking about apples and oranges here. A radio show with a huge listener base and a podcast with a relatively large following aren't even in the same ballgame. While it's true that getting a podcast and listening to it isn't really that hard to do, it IS still new and DOES require more than just turning on your radio. I don't think that with podcasting still in its infancy there is any way even the most popular podcast can compete with radio. EVERYONE understands radio and can tune in without a second thought, it's as common as cable tv. While I'm not making any comments here about the quality or content of either show, I do think it's not a fair fight. FTL has the upper hand by reaching people through a tried and true medium. That being said, Dawn and Drew are definitely kicking *** and holding their own though which is a phenomenal sign for us Podcasters!

[Insomnia Radio]

I see I'm in good, understanding company here..

I would reach so far as to say that FTL does not belong on Podcast Alley. They have a bullish presence here, and do not represent the podcast community I have grown to love and respect....

[Cat]

Good point Jason, how long before the bigger names & networks see the potential and put out really well produced shows - not that our (current podcasters) shows aren't well produced, but you know the big $$ coming in with paid hosts!!

anyway, that's my 2 cents

[vikingyouth]

totally agree about podcasts vs radio shows. and if you want to vote for a *good*, intelligent and downright brilliant radio show vote for Theory of Everything. i was pretty unimpressed with the way FTL pushed their way into the community and have offered little more than self-agrandizement and negativity. i'm not really a fan of dawn n' drew, but they at least seem to get it on a more digestable level.

and as far as competition being needed to create better shows, etc. i totally disagree. i think the open source community has shown in no uncertain terms that we all become far richer by working together rather than crawling over each others back for a couple more digital stars.

[carpmtv]

I do agree with some of the points being made. At the current time, no podcasters can really compete with a radio show that releases a version of their show as a podcast. I think that, its inevitable that in the future there will be many of these shows, and it will be a big part of the future of radio. However, this brings podcasting mainstream, and ultimately allows all underground shows to recieve more followers.

Once, podcasting is mainstream, even thought there will be a plethora of professional radio shows doing it, it will allow the best podcast shows to break through. They may either get the chance to make their show a radio show. But maybe more importantly to some of you, they get the chance to get your voice heard by a lot of people. And I think that as long as we have some of these sites like podcast alley, and other directories that were started now before podcasting hits mainstream, These professional shows will not taken over and bullied by the Radio podcasting shows. People will always value what they do about podcasting now. So us amatuers will always play a big role in podcasting.

Those are just my thoughts

Jeremy

[Ian]

Free Talk Live is NOT a podcast. It is a radio show which has an XML feed.
We are a Podcast. We are a radio show. Sorry, but you don't get to define Podcasting any more than I do. My definition of Podcasting is that it's a medium to deliver content to an audience. That's it. According to Adam Curry's own site, he intended to see major radio shows start podcasting.

While this might happen, it will likely be done by charging for their show like they do today. Free Talk Live is a syndicated talk show that does not charge for archives. We've always given them away. Podcasting allows us to expand our archives' reach.

compared to all the bedroom producers out there it looks like an unsurmountable summit that has to be climbed to even match their popularity, so it kinda feels 'not fair'.
Compared to Stern and Limbaugh, FTL could complain about their being an "insurmountable summit", but then we'd be like you whiners. Do you think FTL just materialized in its current form from nothing one day? EVERYONE has to start small, and there are always people who have been doing it longer than you have who are more established. That's life. You either face it, or pussy out and wither.

about bringing new things to new people.
We're bringing a new style of Talk Radio to people. Pro-Freedom talk radio. That makes a lot of people mad, especially communists like you.

A radio show with a huge listener base and a podcast with a relatively large following aren't even in the same ballgame.
While FTL's listener base is larger than most Podcasts, we certainly don't have a "huge" listener base. We're working on that. Yes, Dawn and Drew's popularity is astounding, and they deserve congratulations for it. Hence, the purpose of my original post. Now you purists have revealed that you are not so angry that we threaten DND's 1st place spot, you are instead for some reason worried that we're poisoning all of Podcasting. :roll:

I would reach so far as to say that FTL does not belong on Podcast Alley. They have a bullish presence here, and do not represent the podcast community I have grown to love and respect....
It's a good thing the Ferf is not so exclusionary as you. Perhaps he realizes that having a radio show talking about Podcasting on a regular basis is a good thing for the medium.

bigger names & networks see the potential and put out really well produced shows
I heard a rumor yesterday about Bill O Reilly starting podcasting, but I highly doubt that will be outside of some subscription service.

FTL pushed their way into the community and have offered little more than self-agrandizement and negativity
The only negativity I've seen results from angry posts from people like you.

You can't please everybody, and we're not trying. We've done our ****edist to garner as many online listeners as possible. We offer a commercial-free version of our syndicated radio show online for free. Now we're Podcasting them. How many other "mainstream" radio shows do that? I'm not looking for respect from you purists, that would be like drawing blood from a stone. I just want to thank all those who DO like FTL, and who DO appreciate that we Podcast. It's you guys who make us proud to be podcasters, despite what the haters have to say.

Now, I really need to get back to work.
Ian

[bob]

Gee Ian, is it your goal to piss off every podcaster?

If it is, you're well on your way. I've never heard your show, but your attitude is just so bullish and annoying that I never want to experience it.

Let's clarify something.. This is not the 550KHx to 1600KHz you try to sell your show to. There is no limited bandwidth. It's NOT a competition, despite how you want to skew that.

Compared to Stern and Limbaugh, FTL could complain about their being an "insurmountable summit", but then we'd be like you whiners.

.. so instead, since we can't compete with "real" radio people, we'll find a niche outlet and proclaim ourselves as gods.


We're bringing a new style of Talk Radio to people. Pro-Freedom talk radio. That makes a lot of people mad, especially communists like you.

.. That's such a stupid line I won't bother..

Now, I really need to get back to work.

.. on learning how to make friends?

[Brian]

As a subscriber and a big fan of Leo Laporte and his KFI airchecks (which are podcast recordings of his radio show), I have to chime in to say that FTL has just as much a right to be here as Leo's show.

Heck, if some radio station ever offered to broadcast Coverville, one of the stipulations would be that it'd still be offerable as a podcast. Not that I ever see that happening.

Before you go thinking I'm on your side, Ian, and believe me, I am very pro-freedom, and certainly pro-free speech (which I hope you'll agree allows me to tell you how I feel about you), I have never seen a post from you on this forum that didn't make me wince due to your pompous arrogance and uber-competitive stance. I personally think the manners and attitude you've demonstrated in this forum are sorely lacking, and I hope that it's a "persona" and not how you communicate with people in "real life".

But anyway, that's just my opinion. I'm not looking for a fight - or even a flame war. You've made it clear that you have no issue letting others know that you feel that they are communiists and whiners. You've even taken aim at me and my listeners. I hope you're able to take a little critisism yourself.

[Ian]

Brian,

Dish it out, that's what makes this country great. We frequenly take critique ON-AIR. I'd like to see the big boys of Talk do that. (Oops.. theres some arrogance.)

"uber-competitivness", maybe, but "pompous arrogance"? Apparantly congratulating the competition is arrogant? What one man calls arrogance, another earlier in this thread calls "classy".

I see arrogance as attacking FTL for being impure. I see arrogance as leaving negative comments. (Not that you've done either of these, Brian)

To each his own.

[Ian]

Gee Ian, is it your goal to piss off every podcaster?
Speaking of arrogance, how dare you speak for "every podcaster". Clearly you're pissed, as are some others, but that's the nature of my show. Some people get mad, some love it.

Let's clarify something.. This is not the 550KHx to 1600KHz you try to sell your show to. There is no limited bandwidth. It's NOT a competition, despite how you want to skew that.
You must think me to be quite dense. I've made clear several times that there are plenty of shows for podcast listeners to listen to. Quit bitching about the ones you don't like and find ones you do. The only competition is the top ten. You can pretend like it's not if that makes you feel better.

.. so instead, since we can't compete with "real" radio people, we'll find a niche outlet and proclaim ourselves as gods.
Actually, we can and are competing with the established radio people. It takes time to build things like this, and we've only just begun. The established personalities have been around for a long time. Plus, we've never claimed to be gods. You're silly.

We joined podcasting because it expands our audience. If the Ferf decided to listen to all of you ranting, raving, angry people and remove us from the site, it would all be worth it simply because we have new listeners because of podcasting.

.. on learning how to make friends?
I don't have, or try to make "friends" online. I have friends in real life. I'm here to draw listeners.

Thanks for your opinion!
Ian

[carpmtv]

I'd like to say that while i agree with a lot of what Ian says, I do not agree with his attitude and the way he goes about making his arguements on the forum. You will make a valid point, and then ruin it with your sarcasm and you always talk as if you are better and smarter than everyone (This is where the talk about arrogance is coming in.). You put down everyone your trying to make your point to. By doing that, you are eliminating almost any chance of them agreeing with you. I have been listening to your show recently, as i do like it most of the time. I do see this attitude reflected in the show from time to time, but its not enough to drive me away. Perhaps someone in your position should have be at a higher rhetorical level, and should understand this. I agree that everyone has a right to free speech, but you are hurting yourself by the way you use it.

[bob]

Speaking of arrogance, how dare you speak for "every podcaster".

Please learn to read, it's easy if you try. I never said I spoke for every podcaster. Nice way to deflect the question though.

You must think me to be quite dense.

Absolutely not. I may think many things of you, but I don't think you are dense.

You're silly.

That one hurt.

I'm here to draw listeners.

Do you have to draw them because they don't really exist?

[robulon]

I just wrote quite a rude post, but instead i'll agree with carp. well, it was basically saying the same thing but using the phrase 'ignorant hick'. anyway, must go eat..

Rob

[Ian]

I'd like to say that while i agree with a lot of what Ian says, I do not agree with his attitude and the way he goes about making his arguements on the forum.
Understood. I can't make everybody happy. Of course you aren't the one under attack.

You will make a valid point, and then ruin it with your sarcasm and you always talk as if you are better and smarter than everyone (This is where the talk about arrogance is coming in.).
Odd, I've been quite humble when it comes to my listeners, and even having the DND show reclaim the top position. Plus, I feel like many here talk down to me. So be it.

You put down everyone your trying to make your point to. By doing that, you are eliminating almost any chance of them agreeing with you.
Precisely. See, my goal is not to get the purists and haters to agree with me, but to expose them as mean old hypocrites to all those who are reading this. Some will agree that they are mean, some will not. Those who agree are likely to go listen to my show. The purists and haters can pound all the sand they want to.

I have been listening to your show recently, as i do like it most of the time.
Thanks! We have fun with it. Be careful with those opinions around here, carpmtv. You might get blackballed by the purists.

I do see this attitude reflected in the show from time to time, but its not enough to drive me away.
Exactly. It should be noted that not all who listen agree with FTL. We have a communist who calls in from time to time. Now that's fun! All that counts is that you listen, not what you think of us. As is made clear in Howard Stern's "Private Parts": Half of the listeners love Stern, half hate him, but listen to see what he'll say next.

I agree that everyone has a right to free speech, but you are hurting yourself by the way you use it.
Thanks for your comment, but I must respectfully disagree. It only appears that I'm hurting myself. In reality, all of this controversey is good for podcasting and good for FTL. This is fun!

Regards,
Ian

[Ian]

I just wrote quite a rude post, but instead i'll agree with carp. well, it was basically saying the same thing but using the phrase 'ignorant hick'.
Wow. That's brilliant. Whilst I'm admittedly ignorant about a lot of things, I'm certainly not a hick.

Now then, you've never denied being a communist, now have you Rob?
Ian

[theFerf]

this article has been locked by the admin. podcasting is a community built on more than name calling and egos. please provide constructive criticism and not insults.

the point of the podcast alley site is to attract new users to your podcast and allow them a place to tell others about what great work you are doing. the point is NOT for podcasters to attack eachother. Please Stop.