Video Blogging? [Archive]

Cookiepuss

Feb 18th, 2005, 12:52 PM

I have been reading more and more about video blogging. I think that would be the evolutionary step from podcasting. since bandwidth will only get cheaper. As well as everyones cell phone will have a video camera built in. so instead of taking pictures it will be video.

of course podcasting will still have its place. But it will all be viewed/listened to from an "iPodPhone". Since that is the direction it is going in. All in one cell phones.

See
-medfeedia (http://mefeedia.com/)
-ANT (http://antnottv.org/)
-FreeVLog (http://freevlog.blogspot.com/)
etc.
:D

dannywall

Feb 18th, 2005, 01:44 PM

of course podcasting will still have its place. But it will all be viewed/listened to from an "iPodPhone". Since that is the direction it is going in. All in one cell phones.

Actually, Apple is already talking about adding a video capability to the iPod in future versions. So the iPod would not only play it's own audio format and mp3, but also display video.

In otherwords, "podcasting" will encompass audio and video. Now lets add to this the fact that "settop" boxes (your digital cable box) are really just computers and there is ZERO doubt that in the future they'll be accepting podcasted video and audio ... and you've got a radio and television industry that is largely on its deathbed.

And interestingly, it is some of the innovators in that space (e.g. clear channel communications) that seems to be ignoring this the most.

Video on demand for everyone is going to be a reality VERY soon, probably within the next five years, CERTAINLY within the next ten. Further, that "video" will come from TENS OF THOUSANDS of independent sources. The big producers will still have their markets ... but those markets will be dwindling as some of the smaller producers (us) simply get better at what they/we do.

I could certainly see a day where (as an example) EatFeed is a viable competitor to Food Network ... especially when you take into account the fact that those of us in the podcasting arena will already have business models suited to what is happening (I talked about why traditional commercials won't work in this medium in another posting "it hit me like a ton of bricks" in the advertising forum here on the alley) and the big producers will be scrambling to "catch up". (whew, I think that classified as a run-on sentence!)

bramley

Feb 18th, 2005, 03:49 PM

of course podcasting will still have its place

I had this moment of panic today wondering if podcasting was just a blip on the media radar screen with the coming of video to IPods. Then my husband, old time radio guru that he is, reminded me that there are many, many reasons folks want audio and not video, like driving in the car and jogging.

I could certainly see a day where (as an example) EatFeed is a viable competitor to Food Network

Thanks to Danny for just happening to mention me as his example. I see you are already implementing your advertising strategy. When 1000 readers get this message, I'll mail you the check. :wink:

But to compete with the Food Network, I'll have to stay young and beautiful. On my podcast no one knows that I'm an old hag of a worn-down, badly dressed grad student. :cry:

dannywall

Feb 18th, 2005, 05:31 PM

But to compete with the Food Network, I'll have to stay young and beautiful. On my podcast no one knows that I'm an old hag of a worn-down, badly dressed grad student. :cry:

Actually ... that could be your "thing". Just look at the barefoot contessa, or that other show with the two old women.

Eat Feed ... Just because you dress poorly doesn't mean you have to eat poorly :lol:

Cookiepuss

Feb 18th, 2005, 10:21 PM

As far as the concepts you cover about TV going back into the hands of people that will be a done deal. Since people can get very good quality video equipment now that is getting smaller and smaller. Once the price point falls a bit more it will be a lot of reality shows of everyones reality. Ahhh. . .that is not too scary! ;)

I am just waitng for when we implant the chips in our head. Then when I tell people I hear voices in my head it will just be refered to as a "podcast". We will all be cyborgs like Steven Mann:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mann
http://n1nlf-1.eecg.toronto.edu/personaltechnologies/
http://wearcam.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg

. . .well it IS the future of podcasting after all!

. . .
Eat Feed ... Just because you dress poorly doesn't mean you have to eat poorly :lol:

Yeah you could have a fashion /food show. Where you make good food and make fun of bad clothes. Hmmmm. . . (idea (c) Cookiepuss 2005). . .gotta protect that intellectual property after all. Joan Rivers might go trying to steal the idea for her own E! show.

:lol:

hud

Feb 20th, 2005, 02:08 PM

The chipset currently inside every Photo ipod has the capability of playing video. Apple chose not to implement the feature .. yet. Apple has the iTunes Music Store model already in the bag. Methinks they are quietly connecting with big players like Sony to create the iVideo Rental Store (or some such thing). The iVideo store will allow you to rent and d/l a movie to your vPod. The movie will reside on your vPod. You connect it to your TV and show the video. It will automatically disable itself after your paid rental period. You can have the option of buying the movie which could stay on your vPod or be transferred to your Apple Media Center that has a dock for the vPod.

hud

Feb 20th, 2005, 02:16 PM

Dannywall wrote .. "especially when you take into account the fact that those of us in the podcasting arena will already have business models suited to what is happening (I talked about why traditional commercials won't work in this medium in another posting "it hit me like a ton of bricks" in the advertising forum here on the alley) and the big producers will be scrambling to "catch up"."

I couldn't agree more. As the podcasting industry grows up and develops its business model and recreates it for video, technologies like video compression (http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/quicktime.html)are being refined. Video will fit in smaller spaces...the bandwidth will stream smoothly and the server space will be aplenty.

Television Networks will compete in the free video category with video podcasters. Podclips will created in force ... endless topics that people are dying to view and learn about but the networks and cable companies don't deem sellable! Indeed, the networks are in the sunset of their life. You are all the future .. build on.

Cookiepuss

Feb 20th, 2005, 03:08 PM

. . .
I couldn't agree more. As the podcasting industry grows up and develops its business model and recreates it for video, technologies like video compression (http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/quicktime.html)are being refined. Video will fit in smaller spaces...the bandwidth will stream smoothly and the server space will be aplenty.
. . .

I agree that H.264 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264) willrevolutionize video compression. As well as there being a market (http://www.methodshop.com/mp3/articles/videoipod/index.shtml) for video on handheld devices. many companies have already come out with hand held video, photo, music, players. There is already the (soon to be popular, I'm sure) PSP (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118912,00.asp) which can play movie files. So there is already a market for making "vcasts". For more on portable video player:
http://portables.about.com/od/portablevideo/

dannywall

Feb 20th, 2005, 03:37 PM

Cookiepuss

Feb 20th, 2005, 04:03 PM

Now lets add into this what BitTorrent does for allowing scalable bandwidth for content providers, and things really are only just around the corner.

I would go so far as to say that if we as a community don't start moving very quickly some of the more nimble players like Clear Channel will wake up sooner or later and we'll find ourselves drowned in an ocean of noise.

I think with BitTorrent and Coral (http://www.coralcdn.org/) there is already plentiful chance to be able to make "vcasting" a reality now. The main thing falling behind in this catagory is the video cameras themselves. Here are a few examples of cheap digital video cameras:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39834&item=3874304638&rd=1
http://che-ez.com/vu/index.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30018&item=3873585341&rd=1

So with small cameras of decent image quality you could produce video that would have good clarity on small screens. So peopple can be more empowered in terms of vcasting or being the media in general. Or a lot of newer cell phones can play streaming video from the likes of MobiTV (http://mobitv.com/). So it is already known there is a market for it. People just need to pick up a camera and do it. . . ;)

allthewhile

Feb 20th, 2005, 05:43 PM

the movie resolution on that second one is only 10fps. You want 30fps or so, I believe.

Cookiepuss

Feb 20th, 2005, 06:12 PM

the movie resolution on that second one is only 10fps. You want 30fps or so, I believe.

I was referencing size and price points more than exact features. . .

The interesting thing like with the first one was it says it is also an mp3 player and voice recorder. So the direction is going in all-in-one solutions. Just look at the new Motorola Razor phones. They have large screen and still camera that takes good images. All it needs next is more storage and video abilities. Then you could record a video blog entry and upload it to your server from the phone. Then kick back and listen to some podcasts on the train ride home. . .

dgroyal

Jul 20th, 2005, 03:43 AM

Personally, I listen to stuff much more often than I watch stuff. It's much easier to multitask when just one of my senses is involved.

richpav

Jul 20th, 2005, 03:58 AM

the movie resolution on that second one is only 10fps. You want 30fps or so, I believe.

Naaah, 15fps is plenty. (It's frame rate, BTW.) Rockboom encodes at 15fps and I never would have noticed had I not checked. Actually, the trick is to have good sound.

I think most people wouldn't mind an occasional short 5-10 min video thrown into a podcast RSS feed to help them visualize.

Random

Jul 20th, 2005, 12:07 PM

Personally, I listen to stuff much more often than I watch stuff. It's much easier to multitask when just one of my senses is involved.

In particular easier to drive. Or even walk. Or eat. Those three activites sum up most if not all of my podcast listening time. Might be just me, though, but I don't think so on the driving part, and I'd really hate commuters to turn into videoblog fans. :)

-R

jimk

Jul 20th, 2005, 03:57 PM

The other reason I suspect video casting, blogging whatever you call it won't take off as big is because of two factors: Cost and location.

It's easy to get GREAT sound for less than 500 bucks. Broadcast quality sound is easy to achieve. Broadcast quality video? Not easy at all. The location is key as well. There's only so much "talking head at a desk in the basement" one can stand...eventually you'll look for video stuff that looks better. With visual presentation, content is not the only king...it shares the throne with queen appearance.

Meanwhile audio can be done anywhere, by anyone, with nothing more than an iriver and a 25 dollar mic. You don't even need the mic.

diggal

Feb 23rd, 2006, 01:43 PM

Personally, I listen to stuff much more often than I watch stuff. It's much easier to multitask when just one of my senses is involved.
I agree with this one. I would never subscrbie to 100+ video casts like i do podcasts...it wouldnt have the same appeal. but, i would love to watch certain kinds of podcasts (podclips?) in video format.

take for instance CPU repair, repairing motors, all of the Make Podcast, cooking, etc...these are all examples of podcasts that would make perfect video podcasts. Honestly, while i listen to the daily source code, i doubt adam would be that interesting to watch for 40 minutes as he talks into a microphone at his computer.

Podcasts are here to stay even with the increased presence of video podcasts, since they are less distracting (ie listen at work) and you can get your eyes off the screen.

But I guess video has a different appeal and its more engaging and some podcasts in video format will definitely be more fun. Like travel podcasts, or I can even imagine gadget focused podcasts in video format where it can show you the latest gadgets and how to use them.

Metaphore

Feb 23rd, 2006, 02:25 PM

Wow, old post.

WyethDigital

Feb 23rd, 2006, 03:17 PM

Wow, old post.
Almost as old as some of those movies of yours :)

Eric

WyethDigital

Feb 23rd, 2006, 03:23 PM

Podcasts are here to stay even with the increased presence of video podcasts, since they are less distracting (ie listen at work) and you can get your eyes off the screen.

But I guess video has a different appeal and its more engaging and some podcasts in video format will definitely be more fun. Like travel podcasts, or I can even imagine gadget focused podcasts in video format where it can show you the latest gadgets and how to use them.

You can't drive while watching TV, you can't work (well) while watching TV. There's lots of things you can't do while watching TV that you can do while listening to the radio. You also can't get the full effect of French Maids (http://frenchmaidtv.com/) teaching you how to Podcast by only listening to it. Sorry, but I don't see the either/or thing people are making this out to be. Video is video, audio is audio. If you take the subway or ride the bus, video could be a very nice distraction. Especially if it's a French Maid (http://frenchmaidtv.com/) :)

Eric

jeffoest

Feb 23rd, 2006, 08:17 PM

I think the future of videocasting may be like what I envision the future of podcasting to be. I don't really see the 'conflict' of big media vs. small niche production. The business models are dramatically different.

Big media is designed (and produced) for mass distribution with the appropriate budgets. Most of this stuff must appeal to a LOT of people to make it viable.

Niche / Hobby production becomes better quality as the means to production gets cheaper - which it is for both audio and video. And the distribution is taken care of by all this groovy bandwidth technology being developed. This type of production fills the gap that big-budget studios can't. The content can be more topic focused than big-media can get. Niche/hobby production simply doesn't require the sheer numbers to be viable which means more varying topics can be produced.

It doesn't make economical sense for big budget media to build a videocast around a niche topic like "audio production" for example. Big-Budget studios are restricted by their ROI constraints. But at the same time, they can produce content that niche/hobby media can't.

Any individual Podcasts and Videocasts won't be able to produce 24/7 material but the combined offerings of the many niche topics and personalites out there will prove to be a nice compliment to the offerings of big-budget big-media.

I think they work great together.

Now, all this means that most videocasters and podcasters probably won't be able to make their sole living on their production. But I think that's ok - in a way it's the fact that these people DO have day jobs that make some of this niche content so compelling and give people the expertise to deliver. (the history professor doing a cast on history, for example).

WyethDigital

Feb 23rd, 2006, 08:32 PM

...in a way it's the fact that these people DO have day jobs that make some of this niche content so compelling and give people the expertise to deliver. (the history professor doing a cast on history, for example).

Or the French Maids (http://frenchmaidtv.com/) doing a videocas...er... on.. well, this isn't going to be a good example, no matter which way it goes. Nevermind. :oops:

Eric

rumorgirls

Feb 23rd, 2006, 10:16 PM

Throw a few French Maids into the mix...always a party...

Karla

WyethDigital

Feb 24th, 2006, 12:10 AM

Throw a few French Maids into the mix...always a party...

Karla

Now that gives me an idea! Seriously, my head's gonna explode! A Flash Mob in french maid outfits! And there's precedent! There was a lingerie parade in the ol' Mad Town about 12 years ago... As I recall, it seemed to be mostly guys, and it didn't really hold a candle to the French Maids. A disappointment, actually. But the cause was Just (wanted an "Erogenous Free Zone" around the capital and something about cops dispensing condoms).

Oh, and you've got a fun podcast, Karla. When my schedule slows down a bit,I'll have to check out your forums (don't worry, I won't tell you all about my yoga and guitar lessons).

Eric

diggal

Mar 2nd, 2006, 01:09 PM

Wow, old post.

an old but ever interesting topic. Aren't you glad I brought it alive again? :wink:

mental-escher

Mar 2nd, 2006, 07:59 PM

The other reason I suspect video casting, blogging whatever you call it won't take off as big is because of two factors: Cost and location.

Why cost a barrier? You can get decent (at 320x240) video from most still digital cameras and they are pretty cheap, there is also "webcam" that should be space oddity easy to use for vidcasting (unless maybe you're trying to compete against broadcast tv!).

Broadband access is a higher hurdle I think.

tokies

May 17th, 2006, 11:03 AM

video blogging may or may not take of but many shows that could never be made before might be made now. sor instance..

STRONG BAD
GBTV

and so on..

i can totally see strong bad in the line up for say.. comedy central or...cartoon network.

WyethDigital

May 17th, 2006, 01:00 PM

video blogging may or may not take of but many shows that could never be made before might be made now. sor instance..

STRONG BAD
GBTV
Or How To (http://www.wyethdigital.com/howtogirl/how_to_podcast/how_to_podcast.html), or ULO (http://www.podcastalley.com/podcast_details.php?pod_id=23455)!

Eric

ElNacho

May 17th, 2006, 04:15 PM

strongbad already existed, didnt it?

and the same applies for podcasting. basically every show wouldnt have been made if it wasnt for podcasting.

tokies

May 17th, 2006, 05:26 PM

yes strong bad did.. but as flash files. i believe

ElNacho

May 17th, 2006, 06:16 PM

well, yeah, but that's still exist..ant. existant. it still was there with or without podcasting

tokies

May 18th, 2006, 12:18 AM

flash isnt moblie..and you can watch it offline. i know.. guys at the frat that are pushing strong bad off the net on to there TV's... flash isnt moblie for now...

"share" thats a big part of it all

ElNacho

May 18th, 2006, 07:30 AM

well, with a simple converter, it coule have been mobile...
but my point is just that you said it's one that couldn't have been made without vidcasting, and im saying, well it was already made without vidcasting.

tokies

May 18th, 2006, 09:57 AM

true...

RUSirius

Jul 10th, 2006, 03:56 PM

So I'm wondering how people feel about watching longish videoblogs... like say a full on variety show with talk with unusual and hip and ocassionally famous guests and comedians and performances and crazy psychedelic animations that goes for a half hour? I just can't get too excited about switching from 40 minutes of audio to 8 minutes of video...

RU